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Posted on 04/19/2003 11:34:35 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
A federal grand jury indicted three people this week on charges of participating in a conspiracy to harbor and transport eight to 10 groups of undocumented immigrants in Utah and elsewhere.
Jose Ramon Navarro-Corral and Alfredo Lara-Lizaola knowingly conspired "with each other and other co-conspirators" sometime before Jan. 29 to take custody of the immigrants, who were smuggled from Mexico into the United States and taken to Phoenix, according to the indictment filed Wednesday.
The two allegedly housed the immigrants in a Phoenix apartment, bought vehicles and hired drivers to transport them elsewhere, court documents said.
Other conspirators paid both defendants, prosecutors allege; Navarro-Corral accepted $100 per person and Lara-Lizaola was given between $300 and $350 for each group.
On Jan. 29, documents said, Navarro-Corral took custody of a group of Brazilian nationals smuggled into the United States from Mexico, and was told to take the group to Washington state. He allegedly took them to Lara-Lizaola, who agreed to house them, documents said, and also hired two drivers and obtained a vehicle to make the Jan. 31 trip.
Navarro-Corral is also known by the names Mario C. Valdez and Antonio Salvidar, the indictment said. The indictment does not say what happened to the people being transported.
Oh please, not here, we're already crawling with illegals.
So's southeastern WI. Is there any state left that's not?
Some of the Mexican states don't have many left.
We need to change that. Soon.
Probably probation, or nothing.
A serious question here. We talk about this, we voice our opinion - some write congressman - what really can we do. Everyday, it is something new that is harmful to this country and it seems no one is listening.
Does anyone have any ideas? We know there are a lot of people concerned and want something done about it - is there any way we can begin to communicate with each other?
Bet they all had Mexican Cracker-Jack Liberal ID Cards too
1st generation American, daughter of LEGAL immigrant.
The other night FOX news was listing countries who had "better shape up or else". They listed various countries, such as France, Germany, Syria, and CANADA!! They gave out the reasons, and they said that Canada is refusing to hand over Iraqis who live there. I didn't hear any further details, but my immediate thought was, "What about Mexico???!" Mexico did not make the list, but it is much more of a danger to us than Canada, as illegals cross over to come here all the time, and Vincente Fox encourages them. In my mind Mexico is much more of a danger than Canada because who knows how many potential terrorists come here from there?
Something is fishy regarding Mexico and the US IMO.
It's a shame so many Freepers ignore these threads. I guess Laci Peterson's death is so much more important. < /sarcasm> (Not to make light of her death, but...)
DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH BAGHDAD OVER DUAL CITIZENS?
Opponents of dual citizenship sometimes pose this question What would you do if the U.S. and Mexico went to war with each other? The Iraq war demonstrates that its not even necessary to posit this extreme. If the U.S. goes to war with any country, dual U.S.-Mexican citizenship is part of the equation.
In a previous article, I reported how the Fox administration was compiling a list of all Mexican and Mexican-descended personnel in the U.S. military, regardless of citizenship.
Only three days later, Mexican Foreign Secretary Derbez made the rather startling announcement that Mexico was considering direct negotiations with the Saddam regime over U.S. soldiers who are dual citizens of the U.S. and Mexico!
According to Reforma (Analizan defender a soldados mexicans, March 31st, 2003)
The legal department of the SRE [Mexican Foreign Ministry] is analyzing the viability of Mexicos intercession before the government of Iraq for Mexican soldiers imprisoned in that country.
(El departamento Jurídico de la Secretaria de Relaciones Exteriores analiza la viabilidad de que México interceda ante el Gobierno de Iraq por los soldados mexicanos presos en ese Pais.)
Chancellor Luis Ernesto Derbez said...that the department is studying the possibility of an appeal to the Geneva Convention concerning prisoners of war in the case of soldiers who have the two citizenships (U.S. and Mexican) and of military personnel who have Mexican citizenship and U.S. residence....
(El canciller Luis Ernesto Derbez dijo la tarde de este lunes que la dependencia a su cargo estudia si es posible apela a la Convención de Ginebra sobre presos de guerra en el caso de los soldados que tengan las dos ciudadanías, así como de los militares que cuentan con la ciudadanía mexicana y la residencia estadounidense y con bases en el Ejército de Estados Unidos.)
....Derbez emphasized that México will make it clear, that if the petition is carried out, that it will be done without being part of the military conflict.
(En conference, Derbez destacó que México dejará en clare, si llega a realizar la petición, que lo hace sin ser parte del conflicto militar.)
So the Mexican government was willing to negotiate with Saddam over dual citizen prisoners-of-war - but it had to make clear it wasnt supporting the United States!
Now that Baghdad has been taken, the Mexicans have to give up negotiating with the regime. But we know they were working on it. Which is one possible use of that census of Mexican-origin U.S. soldiers I wrote about earlier.
And demonstrates the inevitable complications of dual citizenship.
PROCLAIMING PACIFIST PRINCIPLES, HUSTLING GRINGO CA$H
On April 2nd, 2003, Vicente Fox met with visiting Mexican residents of the U.S., and self-righteously slammed the U.S. war effort, emphatically declaring that ¡estamos contra la guerra! We are against the war! (Proceso, April 2nd, 2003)
The same day a Mexican tourism convention in Acapulco was addressed (in a pre-recorded video) by the Mexican president. Fox told them that the war was an opportunity for Mexican tourism! (His reasoning: Americans would want to travel to safer and nearer destinations).
(Puede guerra ser fuente de oportunidades para turism en Mexico: Fox, El Universal, April 2nd, 2003
I'm one step ahead of you. I already did
I have been hounding Bush and my senators relentlessly about illegal immigration.
Pete Sessions is my representative and I don't have to worry about him because he is against illegal immigration and amnesty and has an A+ voting record in that regard.
Just keep fighting the good fight!!
Unless, I disgreed, where noted, I totally agree - when can we get people on the bandwagon - especially our President. He could make a significant difference with just a few speeches, then start the ball rolling slowing. If he announced impending fines for employers, giving them time to get other employees, 30 days, 60 days - then allow states to cut of all but emergency services - and go from there.
I think I just figured out your ID!!!!!!
I have read articles that refer to these figures.
Where in the name of Moctezuma does this jumped-up jalapeno-suckin' Clymer get the idea that he has anything to do with any American Citizen?
Has he heard of Kaiser Wilhelm, Mussolini, Hitler, Santa Anna? Once an American signs on, he is the same as any Yankee from 1620 onward. Any foreign potentate (or in this jerk's case, impotentate) an American, or his father once followed, is immaterial. I have in my pssession a sworn statement by a new American, my great-grandfather, which categorically requires him to abjure allegiance to Queen Victoria, who I can assure you, was several cuts above this border-bandido. F'im!
Close the border now. As the Mafia used to say, "For our Friends everything. For our Enemies the Law." This SOB is an enemy. All we have to do to make this greaseball dry up and blow away is enforce the laws on OUR books. Once the 'Great Northern Safety Valve' is shut, the Mexicans will eat these Sonsabitches alive. Starting tonight. I pray that GWB backs off the strategy started by the idiot-savant Karl Rove, and forgets Mexico. It's just another country and no friend of ours. Like Iraq, we may have to kill it to cure it.
I call upon the Mexican Americans in this country to form a comittee to tell this this man and his government to go stuff it. Follow the example of many another American who faced the problem.
Here's the voice of one Mexican-american who has had it. I got this in the same email as the excerpt I posted above. From: Frank Vera, California
TODAYS LETTER: An Hispanic Reader Objects To Mexican Subversion
From: Frank Vera, California
Those who profit financially from illegal immigration and agents of the Mexican government would like to convince Americans that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration. Nothing could be further from the truth. The vast majority of Hispanics, including myself, are decent, law-abiding, loyal Americans who strongly oppose illegal immigration.
These profiteers love playing word games to confuse the issue. Contrary to their propaganda, all illegal aliens are criminals - not immigrants, migrants, or any other creative Orwellian term used to try to deceive the American people.
Americans must realize when representatives of the Mexican Consul, La Raza, or MEChA demand social benefits or rights for illegal aliens in the U.S. that this is an attack on Americas sovereignty by enemy agents of Mexico. They claim to be fighting for all Hispanics or Latinos, but they are not. They represent only one ethnic group or nationality, Mexican or Chicano. Simply put, they are socialist Mexican nationalists, or representatives of the National Socialist Party of Mexico, Mexican Nazis, and they are the enemy of all Americans.
Remember that even though all Mexicans are Hispanic, not all Hispanics are Mexican, and Mexicans represent a small percentage of the total Hispanic population of America.
The majority of Americans, including those of Mexican descent, want our immigration laws enforced and all illegal aliens deported.
check your freepmail
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn., March 26 (Reuters) - A federal court jury on Wednesday acquitted Tyson Foods and three of its executives of conspiring to smuggle illegal immigrants to work at its poultry plants.
Government prosecutors had accused Tyson, the leading U.S. poultry processor, with conspiracy to violate immigration laws, fraud and obstruction of justice.
I think it would be great if everyone
registered NO-PARTY on July 4th!
It has a nice ring to it. Those who wished could also send a letter to their party headquarters to explain their dissatisfaction.
The brutal, sad truth. One day, when they all wake up, there going to ask, WTF happened?
Bought vehicles, I don't think so, those operations steal the vehicles. I work for insurance companys, appraising damaged, and stolen vehicles, a year ago I worked about one stolen/recovered illegal transporter a month, now it is one a week.
Consider this fact about the SARS pandemic started in China:
But there is a giant "Cognitive Dissonance" on this issue. We, and Frank Vera and friends, are shouting ourselves hoarse. So we are right. BFD.
GWB and his friends, are absent on the issue. Congressmen from the Border States are nowhere to be found.
Our laws are simply not being enforced. Instead a whole another level of "Anti-Terror" laws are costing us our rights. It is an exact duplicate of the Gun Control issue. Instead of enforcing the law, the government is using lawbreaking as an excuse to strip us of rights.
We need to reach GWB at the electoral level. How do we do that?
Support groups like JTF.org whose plan to save America includes:
POINT FIVE: An immediate end to all foreign immigration into the United States, combined with the complete expulsion of America's millions of illegal aliens and the stringent removal of her legal ones at the expiration of their work or residency visas.
If only our leaders could see through the identity politics rhetoric & interest group threats & recognize this fact.
US Citizens & their families, of ALL backgrounds, suffer when our immigration laws go unenforced.
Mexico is a multi-racial society, in which European, many Indian Cultures, Asian, and African strains mix. Furthermore, there is a good deal of bigotry and racial awareness among Mexicans, it is just different from OUR strain of the same defects.
If you look at Mexican TV with the sound off, it looks as if a band of renegade Norwegians took over the bloody station: very short shrift given to "Indian" or "other" looking talent.
Community service. . . they can haul illegals back across the border.
All your Iraqis are belong to us.