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3 Indicted in Transporting Undocumented Immigrants
SaltLakeTrib.com ^ | April 19, 2003

Posted on 04/19/2003 11:34:35 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29

A federal grand jury indicted three people this week on charges of participating in a conspiracy to harbor and transport eight to 10 groups of undocumented immigrants in Utah and elsewhere.

Jose Ramon Navarro-Corral and Alfredo Lara-Lizaola knowingly conspired "with each other and other co-conspirators" sometime before Jan. 29 to take custody of the immigrants, who were smuggled from Mexico into the United States and taken to Phoenix, according to the indictment filed Wednesday.

The two allegedly housed the immigrants in a Phoenix apartment, bought vehicles and hired drivers to transport them elsewhere, court documents said.

Other conspirators paid both defendants, prosecutors allege; Navarro-Corral accepted $100 per person and Lara-Lizaola was given between $300 and $350 for each group.

On Jan. 29, documents said, Navarro-Corral took custody of a group of Brazilian nationals smuggled into the United States from Mexico, and was told to take the group to Washington state. He allegedly took them to Lara-Lizaola, who agreed to house them, documents said, and also hired two drivers and obtained a vehicle to make the Jan. 31 trip.

Navarro-Corral is also known by the names Mario C. Valdez and Antonio Salvidar, the indictment said. The indictment does not say what happened to the people being transported.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Utah
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1 posted on 04/19/2003 11:34:35 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
See also this post, which got put on the wrong forum.
2 posted on 04/19/2003 11:37:32 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
"and was told to take the group to Washington state. ..."

Oh please, not here, we're already crawling with illegals.

3 posted on 04/19/2003 11:56:27 AM PDT by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
I wonder what kind of punishment those two will get? A couple of years in jail? Probation? Unfortunately, our judicial system is too lenient and can't/not willing to deal effectively with such crimes. Until this country gets serious about protecting us from this constant flow of illegals (oh, excuse me, "undocumented"), we can't be safe. This is just one example, not even the proverbial "tip-of-the iceburg" of what's really going on.
4 posted on 04/19/2003 1:10:30 PM PDT by SamiGirl
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To: Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; 4Freedom; ...
ping
5 posted on 04/19/2003 2:31:23 PM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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To: holyscroller
"Oh please, not here, we're already crawling with illegals.",

So's southeastern WI. Is there any state left that's not?

6 posted on 04/19/2003 2:36:12 PM PDT by Ches (Mrs.)
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To: SamiGirl
How true.
7 posted on 04/19/2003 2:40:05 PM PDT by Ima Lurker
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To: Ches
Is there any state left that's not?

Some of the Mexican states don't have many left.

8 posted on 04/19/2003 2:45:44 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Some of the Mexican states don't have many left.

We need to change that. Soon.

9 posted on 04/19/2003 3:01:43 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: SamiGirl
punishment?

Probably probation, or nothing.

A serious question here. We talk about this, we voice our opinion - some write congressman - what really can we do. Everyday, it is something new that is harmful to this country and it seems no one is listening.

Does anyone have any ideas? We know there are a lot of people concerned and want something done about it - is there any way we can begin to communicate with each other?

10 posted on 04/19/2003 3:32:38 PM PDT by nanny
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
A federal grand jury indicted three people this week on charges of participating in a conspiracy to harbor and transport eight to 10 groups of undocumented immigrants in Utah and elsewhere.

Bet they all had Mexican Cracker-Jack Liberal ID Cards too

11 posted on 04/19/2003 3:42:22 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: nanny; Ches; SamiGirl; Ima Lurker; Tancredo Fan; ought-six; PatrioticAmerican; Psycho_Bunny; ...
Our opinions don't seem to count at the ballot box. All our officials from BOTH major parties are being pressured by the thousands of groups claiming to have concerns about human rights violations, from this country and Mexico. There is an Hispanic Congressional Caucus, LaRaza, MeCha, radical groups, non-radical groups, religious groups, non-religious groups, anti-hate crime legislation, front groups, mostly funded by the usual suspects, Ford, Pew, Tides, Rockefeller, Heinz. Then there's the UN spreading the lie that middle class white Americans use of resources is responsible for all the world's ills. Fox has said he is the president of all Mexico's people, including those who live in the US and has some new agencies throughout our land to help it's citizens who live here get these ID's and whatever else. It's madness. I say register NO PARTY and let the PUBS/DEMS rethink their priorities. A mass bi-partisan movement of the people, as in "WE the People". It's only a mouse click away, in most states. It can't hurt. Could this be too easy? We have to do something for the next generation and the future of our nation. /rant

1st generation American, daughter of LEGAL immigrant.

12 posted on 04/19/2003 4:23:34 PM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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To: madfly
Madfly,Ever read this?http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/back1402.html
13 posted on 04/19/2003 5:12:32 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: madfly; All
Here is something I don't understand.

The other night FOX news was listing countries who had "better shape up or else". They listed various countries, such as France, Germany, Syria, and CANADA!! They gave out the reasons, and they said that Canada is refusing to hand over Iraqis who live there. I didn't hear any further details, but my immediate thought was, "What about Mexico???!" Mexico did not make the list, but it is much more of a danger to us than Canada, as illegals cross over to come here all the time, and Vincente Fox encourages them. In my mind Mexico is much more of a danger than Canada because who knows how many potential terrorists come here from there?

Something is fishy regarding Mexico and the US IMO.

14 posted on 04/19/2003 5:55:45 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: madfly
We can't ever forget the pressure of the campaign contributions from the people who are employing these illegals. Personally, I think that is what matters most. Maybe that is just my burden to bear - but I think our President could get around the UN, LaRaza, etc. Just can't get around that old need for money and the need to repay those contributions.
15 posted on 04/19/2003 6:12:54 PM PDT by nanny
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To: madfly
After reading your post again, I think you may have nailed it. It's political and financial. It looks like everything boils down to money and profit, for the Powers that Be of course, not the people. Therefore it's okey for Mexico, but not for Canada.
16 posted on 04/19/2003 6:33:50 PM PDT by DBtoo
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To: madfly
Well said. I haven't been registered as a Republican for several years, changed it in disgust.

It's a shame so many Freepers ignore these threads. I guess Laci Peterson's death is so much more important. < /sarcasm> (Not to make light of her death, but...)

17 posted on 04/19/2003 6:58:47 PM PDT by Ches (Mrs.)
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To: Ches
I also changed my registration from Repub to Independent. On the issue of immigration (legal and illegal), there's no difference between the Dems and the Repubs. My state is absolutely invaded. The RNC still calls for donations, and I always tell them that they won't get another penny from me until they change their tune regarding immigration.
18 posted on 04/19/2003 10:01:40 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: DBtoo; Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; ...
Check this out from Allan Wall who lives in Mexico. This should have been in the news here!

DIRECT NEGOTIATION WITH BAGHDAD OVER DUAL CITIZENS?

Opponents of dual citizenship sometimes pose this question – “What would you do if the U.S. and Mexico went to war with each other?” The Iraq war demonstrates that it’s not even necessary to posit this extreme. If the U.S. goes to war with any country, dual U.S.-Mexican citizenship is part of the equation.

In a previous article, I reported how the Fox administration was compiling a list of all Mexican and Mexican-descended personnel in the U.S. military, regardless of citizenship.

Only three days later, Mexican Foreign Secretary Derbez made the rather startling announcement that Mexico was considering direct negotiations with the Saddam regime over U.S. soldiers who are dual citizens of the U.S. and Mexico!

According to “Reforma” (Analizan defender a soldados mexicans, March 31st, 2003)

 “The legal department of the SRE [Mexican Foreign Ministry] is analyzing the viability of Mexico’s intercession before the government of Iraq for Mexican soldiers imprisoned in that country.”

(El departamento Jurídico de la Secretaria de Relaciones Exteriores analiza la viabilidad de que México interceda ante el Gobierno de Iraq por los soldados mexicanos presos en ese Pais.)

 “Chancellor Luis Ernesto Derbez said...that the department is studying the possibility of an appeal to the Geneva Convention concerning prisoners of war in the case of soldiers who have the two citizenships (U.S. and Mexican) and of military personnel who have Mexican citizenship and U.S. residence....”

(El canciller Luis Ernesto Derbez dijo la tarde de este lunes que la dependencia a su cargo estudia si es posible apela a la Convención de Ginebra sobre presos de guerra en el caso de los soldados que tengan las dos ciudadanías, así como de los militares que cuentan con la ciudadanía mexicana y la residencia estadounidense y con bases en el Ejército de Estados Unidos.)

“....Derbez emphasized that México will make it clear, that if the petition is carried out, that it will be done without being part of the military conflict.”

(En conference, Derbez destacó que México dejará en clare, si llega a realizar la petición, que lo hace sin ser parte del conflicto militar.) 

So the Mexican government was willing to negotiate with Saddam over dual citizen prisoners-of-war - but it had to make clear it wasn’t supporting the United States!

Now that Baghdad has been taken, the Mexicans have to give up negotiating with the regime. But we know they were working on it. Which is one possible use of that census of Mexican-origin U.S. soldiers I wrote about earlier.

And demonstrates the inevitable complications of dual citizenship.

PROCLAIMING PACIFIST PRINCIPLES, HUSTLING GRINGO CA$H  

On April 2nd, 2003, Vicente Fox met with visiting Mexican residents of the U.S., and self-righteously slammed the U.S. war effort, emphatically declaring that “¡estamos contra la guerra!” – “We are against the war!” (Proceso, April 2nd, 2003)

The same day a Mexican tourism convention in Acapulco was addressed (in a pre-recorded video) by the Mexican president. Fox told them that the war was an opportunity for Mexican tourism! (His reasoning: Americans would want to travel to safer and nearer destinations).

(“Puede guerra ser fuente de oportunidades para turism en Mexico: Fox,” El Universal, April 2nd, 2003  


19 posted on 04/20/2003 8:51:38 AM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29; SamiGirl; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; Cincinatus' Wife; Fiddlstix; ...
ping
20 posted on 04/20/2003 8:55:28 AM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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To: FITZ
They are closing public schools in Mexico because of lack of population. This invasion is an indictment of a lawless government, ours.
21 posted on 04/20/2003 9:05:03 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: madfly
I say register NO PARTY and let the PUBS/DEMS rethink their priorities.

I'm one step ahead of you. I already did

I have been hounding Bush and my senators relentlessly about illegal immigration.

Pete Sessions is my representative and I don't have to worry about him because he is against illegal immigration and amnesty and has an A+ voting record in that regard.

Just keep fighting the good fight!!

22 posted on 04/20/2003 10:13:18 AM PDT by Brownie74
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To: nanny
Does anyone have any ideas?

Ants

23 posted on 04/20/2003 10:44:31 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
When I read articles like these I know that a lot of people have forgotten about the Alamo.


24 posted on 04/20/2003 10:48:22 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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To: PRND21
  1. We need to stop giving the house away, and quit electing politicians who do it. We need to convince others that they need to do the same.
  2. The quick (and deadly) solution of militarizing the borders, is scary, and has no possible end in sight - we will disagree here, although I don't think it is the only thing that needs to be done - just one of them for some immediate relief.
  3. Eliminate "anchor babies" special treatment.
  4. Limit State assistance to anyone believed to be here illegally to: · Emergency medical services · Emergency temporary shelter · Transportation to the border.
  5. We need to severely fine and/or prosecute employers found guilty of knowingly using illegal alien help.
  6. We need hard time for smuggling, and manufacturing and/or distribution of falsified legal identification documents...hard time, not Fed time.
  7. We need to increase the technological abilities of the INS and the Border Patrol, and improve their efficiency.
  8. I think we should offer incentives to American manufacturing firms looking to set up shop overseas, to build in Mexico, and not China. I think we did that - it was called NAFTA and it so destructive to our country. I remember they promised us NAFTA would put an end to illegal immigration - I kid you not, that was one of the things that was touted. We need to give incentives to set up shop in America. Any other place, is at their own peril, at their own expense. If they still want to do it fine.
  9. Mexico needs to co-operate with some internal reforms, and by relaxing some laws. If we are about to help a nation grow economically, I want it to be the one right next door to me, not the one who has nukes trained on me.
  10. We should also bring back the Bracero program, it's a win-win.
  11. Any individual caught in the U.S. illegally should be deported, and not allowed to return to this country, for any reason, for life.
  12. But I also think that if we find someone who has been here illegally for fifteen years, working, not breaking laws, setting roots, and otherwise being a model member of the community, we need to give them special consideration, and try thinking out of the box for a kinder solution.While it goes totally against the grain, you are probably right-- but on a case-by-case basis.

    Unless, I disgreed, where noted, I totally agree - when can we get people on the bandwagon - especially our President. He could make a significant difference with just a few speeches, then start the ball rolling slowing. If he announced impending fines for employers, giving them time to get other employees, 30 days, 60 days - then allow states to cut of all but emergency services - and go from there.

    I think I just figured out your ID!!!!!!


25 posted on 04/20/2003 11:14:52 AM PDT by nanny
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Thanks for the link.

I have read articles that refer to these figures.

26 posted on 04/20/2003 1:51:29 PM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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To: madfly; DBtoo; Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf
Fly, of all your maddeningly on-target posts, this has to be the best hit.

Where in the name of Moctezuma does this jumped-up jalapeno-suckin' Clymer get the idea that he has anything to do with any American Citizen?

Has he heard of Kaiser Wilhelm, Mussolini, Hitler, Santa Anna? Once an American signs on, he is the same as any Yankee from 1620 onward. Any foreign potentate (or in this jerk's case, impotentate) an American, or his father once followed, is immaterial. I have in my pssession a sworn statement by a new American, my great-grandfather, which categorically requires him to abjure allegiance to Queen Victoria, who I can assure you, was several cuts above this border-bandido. F'im!

Close the border now. As the Mafia used to say, "For our Friends everything. For our Enemies the Law." This SOB is an enemy. All we have to do to make this greaseball dry up and blow away is enforce the laws on OUR books. Once the 'Great Northern Safety Valve' is shut, the Mexicans will eat these Sonsabitches alive. Starting tonight. I pray that GWB backs off the strategy started by the idiot-savant Karl Rove, and forgets Mexico. It's just another country and no friend of ours. Like Iraq, we may have to kill it to cure it.

I call upon the Mexican Americans in this country to form a comittee to tell this this man and his government to go stuff it. Follow the example of many another American who faced the problem.

27 posted on 04/20/2003 2:23:41 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
PS
DERBEZ Another Arab transplant to the nNew World?
28 posted on 04/20/2003 2:25:23 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Kenny Bunk
I call upon the Mexican Americans in this country to form a comittee to tell this this man and his government to go stuff it. Follow the example of many another American who faced the problem.

Here's the voice of one Mexican-american who has had it. I got this in the same email as the excerpt I posted above.

TODAY’S LETTER: An Hispanic Reader Objects To Mexican Subversion

From: Frank Vera, California

Those who profit financially from illegal immigration and agents of the Mexican government would like to convince Americans that all Hispanics are in favor of illegal immigration. Nothing could be further from the truth. The vast majority of Hispanics, including myself, are decent, law-abiding, loyal Americans who strongly oppose illegal immigration.

These profiteers love playing word games to confuse the issue. Contrary to their propaganda, all illegal aliens are criminals - not immigrants, migrants, or any other creative Orwellian term used to try to deceive the American people.

Americans must realize when representatives of the Mexican Consul, La Raza, or MEChA demand “social benefits” or “rights” for illegal aliens in the U.S. that this is an attack on America’s sovereignty by enemy agents of Mexico. They claim to be fighting for all Hispanics or Latinos, but they are not. They represent only one ethnic group or nationality, Mexican or Chicano. Simply put, they are socialist Mexican nationalists, or representatives of the “National Socialist Party of Mexico”, Mexican Nazis, and they are the enemy of all Americans.

Remember that even though all Mexicans are Hispanic, not all Hispanics are Mexican, and Mexicans represent a small percentage of the total Hispanic population of America.

The majority of Americans, including those of Mexican descent, want our immigration laws enforced and all illegal aliens deported.

check your freepmail


29 posted on 04/20/2003 3:40:12 PM PDT by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net, AZAnderson.org)
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It pays to have good lawyers:
CHATTANOOGA, Tenn., March 26 (Reuters) - A federal court jury on Wednesday acquitted Tyson Foods and three of its executives of conspiring to smuggle illegal immigrants to work at its poultry plants.

Government prosecutors had accused Tyson, the leading U.S. poultry processor, with conspiracy to violate immigration laws, fraud and obstruction of justice.


30 posted on 04/20/2003 3:44:36 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Stoner
Well I'm speaking for the states that allow those registered as NO-PARTY to now vote in the primaries. This is the case in Arizona. And, from what I've read, registration perference can be switched unlimited times. So doing it to send a message doesn't mean you can't change back, should you desire. Just a quick look through google results shows that you must register or change your party preference 15 days before an election in most states.

I think it would be great if everyone
registered NO-PARTY on July 4th!

July 4th, 2003 = Independent's Day!!!

It has a nice ring to it. Those who wished could also send a letter to their party headquarters to explain their dissatisfaction.

32 posted on 04/20/2003 6:48:25 PM PDT by madfly
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To: nanny
Great ideas!
33 posted on 04/20/2003 8:52:34 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Ches
It's a shame so many Freepers ignore these threads. I guess Laci Peterson's death is so much more important.

The brutal, sad truth. One day, when they all wake up, there going to ask, WTF happened?

34 posted on 04/20/2003 10:54:06 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29
The two allegedly housed the immigrants in a Phoenix apartment, bought vehicles and hired drivers to transport them elsewhere, court documents said.

Bought vehicles, I don't think so, those operations steal the vehicles. I work for insurance companys, appraising damaged, and stolen vehicles, a year ago I worked about one stolen/recovered illegal transporter a month, now it is one a week.

35 posted on 04/20/2003 11:30:49 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: madfly
Regarding - who is responsible for all the world's ills

Consider this fact about the SARS pandemic started in China:

Where is Bush's brascero program now?
36 posted on 04/21/2003 12:57:39 AM PDT by flamefront (To the victor go the oils.)
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To: madfly
BUMP
37 posted on 04/21/2003 4:45:28 AM PDT by Dante3 (.)
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To: madfly; Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; ...
This Frank Vera guy is on the money. I thank him.

But there is a giant "Cognitive Dissonance" on this issue. We, and Frank Vera and friends, are shouting ourselves hoarse. So we are right. BFD.

GWB and his friends, are absent on the issue. Congressmen from the Border States are nowhere to be found.

Our laws are simply not being enforced. Instead a whole another level of "Anti-Terror" laws are costing us our rights. It is an exact duplicate of the Gun Control issue. Instead of enforcing the law, the government is using lawbreaking as an excuse to strip us of rights.

We need to reach GWB at the electoral level. How do we do that?

38 posted on 04/21/2003 6:59:47 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: nanny; madfly
Does anyone have any ideas? We know there are a lot of people concerned and want something done about it -

Support groups like JTF.org whose plan to save America includes:

POINT FIVE: An immediate end to all foreign immigration into the United States, combined with the complete expulsion of America's millions of illegal aliens and the stringent removal of her legal ones at the expiration of their work or residency visas.

39 posted on 04/21/2003 7:16:20 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: madfly
The majority of Americans, including those of Mexican descent, want our immigration laws enforced and all illegal aliens deported.

If only our leaders could see through the identity politics rhetoric & interest group threats & recognize this fact.

US Citizens & their families, of ALL backgrounds, suffer when our immigration laws go unenforced.

40 posted on 04/21/2003 8:21:38 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: PRND21
Well, duh, I had a little help you know!!!!! Just thought everyone should read them.
41 posted on 04/21/2003 10:21:44 AM PDT by nanny
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To: majordivit
Thanks, I have marked the site and will read later.
42 posted on 04/21/2003 10:23:23 AM PDT by nanny
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To: ME4W
ping
43 posted on 04/21/2003 3:45:07 PM PDT by madfly
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To: madfly
This whole thing with "Race," and "Mexicans," is a diversion, MF.

Mexico is a multi-racial society, in which European, many Indian Cultures, Asian, and African strains mix. Furthermore, there is a good deal of bigotry and racial awareness among Mexicans, it is just different from OUR strain of the same defects.

If you look at Mexican TV with the sound off, it looks as if a band of renegade Norwegians took over the bloody station: very short shrift given to "Indian" or "other" looking talent.

44 posted on 04/22/2003 11:11:40 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: SamiGirl
I wonder what kind of punishment those two will get?

Community service. . . they can haul illegals back across the border.

45 posted on 04/22/2003 11:13:47 AM PDT by Flyer (This is not your Father's tag line)
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To: DBtoo
Hand over Iraqis who live in Canada? There's only about 125 living here.....I actually know one, and he's glad Saddam is out of power. In fact, all of the Iraqis in Canada are glad he's gone.
46 posted on 04/22/2003 11:14:09 AM PDT by IvanT
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To: madfly
How very true this is. I lived in a multi-cultural Hispanic neighborhood. *Nobody* liked the Mexicans except the Mexicans. The Puerto Rican's didn't like them because they weren't 'white'. The Dominicans didn't like them either. Ditto the Cubans, Colombians, Brazilians, Argentinians....
47 posted on 04/22/2003 11:17:37 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: IvanT
It was on FOX news the other night when they were explaining why the US is unhappy with various countries. I know, I almost fell out of my chair when I heard that one. And only 125 Iraqis? As some would say:

All your Iraqis are belong to us.

48 posted on 04/22/2003 1:15:29 PM PDT by DBtoo
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