Pakistani Militant Vows Holy War Against India

YAHOO NEWS ^ | Sun Apr 20, 2003

[BOSTON BRAHMIN]

MUZAFFARABAD, Pakistan (Reuters) - A Pakistani militant leader vowed on Sunday to continue a holy war and suicide attacks to end Indian rule in disputed Kashmir (news - web sites), rejecting an Indian offer of talks.

Hafiz Saeed, the former chief of the outlawed Lashkar-e-Taiba organisation, said Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's offer to hold talks with Pakistan was a sham.

"Jihadi (holy warrior) forces do not believe in talks," he told about 500 of his supporters in Rawalakot, roughly 65 miles south of Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani Kashmir. "The jihad will not stop, the suicide attacks will continue."

Lashkar-e-Taiba is a leading Pakistan-based guerrilla group fighting Indian rule in Kashmir. Pakistan banned the group along with four others last year in a crackdown on Islamic extremism, after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

The ban also followed a December, 2001 attack on the Indian parliament which New Delhi blamed on Lashkar-e-Taiba and which brought nuclear-armed India and Pakistan to the brink of war.

Saeed, who quit the leadership of Lashkar-e-Taiba days before it was banned, spent much of last year in jail. He was released in November, and has since formed what he calls a non-violent social welfare group called Jamaat-ud-Daawa.

Critics of Pakistan's government cite his release as evidence the crackdown on Islamic extremists has been ineffective and half-hearted.

In tightly controlled Pakistani Kashmir, it is practically impossible to hold a public rally without official approval.

Last week, Pakistan's Foreign Minister Mian Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri told Reuters Saeed's calls for jihad against India and the United States were "irresponsible" and said his statements did not reflect Pakistan government policy.

Saeed has been touring the country in recent weeks in an attempt to mobilize support for jihad in Kashmir. "Kashmir will win freedom only through jihad," he said.

On Friday, Vajpayee offered to hold talks with Pakistan, but later insisted that Islamabad must first give up support to Muslim rebels in Kashmir.

Pakistan welcomed the talks offer, but denies supporting militants in Kashmir -- the divided Himalayan region which both nations claim as their own.

The two countries have already fought two wars over Kashmir since British rule ended on the subcontinent in 1947. A third war was fought over former East Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh.

[HitmanLV]

Why are these guys so chronically angry and hateful? Seems their way to make their case is to break things, kill people, and make a lot of noise.

[EaglesUpForever]

Apparently the repressed sexuality of their disased culture keeps them in a permanent state of angry adolescence.

[Illbay]

"Jihadi (holy warrior) forces do not believe in talks,"...

And that's why so many of them are dead.

[Illbay]

New anti-conversion laws in Hindu-majority India threaten Christian minority

[HitmanLV]

I'm glad I am not the only one who noticed. Seems that we see a lot of posturing and bravado from this region of the world, though in execution it always comes down to making a lot of noise, stomping around, killing people and breaking things. Maybe the sexual angle is what is going on, I don't know enough to say for sure.

I do know that some men I know who turned to Islam (some guys I worked with at my old office in NYC) tend to bluster a lot and protest at length about their masculinity, etc. This could be characteristic of the men, and not their religion of course, but I do notice the correlation.

Go figure.

[San Jacinto]

Just thinking-
Would war between Pakistan and India necessarily be a bad thing for the U.S?

There would be massive loss of life, but both countries have plenty of population to spare.

It is likely the war would end with no clear victor and both countries weaker for their efforts.

The U.S. could operate in Afghanistan under rhe radar and exterminate the Taliban. The Muslims would be too focused on the conflict with India to organize terrorism against the West.

[Spandau]

Pakistani Militant Vows Holy War Against India

Oh. Imagine that.

[AMNZ]

And then you get one like this. Damned if I can figure it.

[TheCrusader]

Was it a mistake to intervene between India and Pakistan last year? If India wiped Pakistan off the face of the earth, they would have taken the Taliban and al Quaeda remnants with them. And most probably Saddam and his gang of thugs too. If no nukes were used, India wins, hands down, and al Queada has no place to hide. Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

[TheCrusader]

"and protest at length about their masculinity, " They protest about the length of their masculinity?

[Libertarianize the GOP]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[Mr. Mojo]

The world was going on 2 whole days without a new Jihad being announced, and this guy had to go ahead and break the string.

[Free Vulcan]

...And that's why so many of them are dead.

LOL. My vote for post of the day.

[river rat]

"And that's why so many of them are dead."

Not nearly enough.....yet.
Too bad that more of these brave "jihadists" didn't get into Iraq in time to throw themselves into the Marine's fields of fire...

Semper Fi

[Joseph_Erulkar]

Now only if we can get the U.S. State Department to come out in favor of India against both this, and the Communist Chinese threat.

[First Amendment]

The history of India and Muslim invaders is pretty interesting - I think the Muslims (Persians? I don't know where from ) around 1100 [someone correct me if I am wrong] and gradually conquered much of India, not the South, though. Then they forcibly converted people, ransacked temples and turned them into mosques, raped, pillaged and looted. There would be no Muslims in India (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) today if it were not for military invasion and forcible conversion.
The Muslims over there have been asking for it for a long time. Now they are demanding.

[First Amendment]

Sorry - that didn't make much sense. I meant the Muslims gradually invaded and conquered!!!

[Bobby777]

Pakistani Islamic Militant Vows Holy War Against India, and Israel, and the U.S.A., and Great Britian, etc., etc. etc.

wonder when they'll decide to start attacking China, too?

[BOSTON BRAHMIN]

"Pakistani Islamic Militant Vows Holy War Against India, and Israel, and the U.S.A., and Great Britian, etc., etc. etc. wonder when they'll decide to start attacking China, too?"

The Pakistanis are allies of Communist China, and this is where they got their nuclear arsenal which is complicating everything over there.

[telebob]

Interesting question: Would war between India and Pakistan be a bad thing for the US? In my opinion, that would be a war that would go along way to winning the war on terror. Pakistan has been and will remain Jihad Central until this nest of vipers is wiped out. It's obvious at this point that Mushariff hasn't the will or the way to tackle this problem in the North West Territories.
I figure that India will now be making more and more noise about ISI involvement in Kashmire, Pakistani support for international terrorism etc. as a prelude to another confrontation. But I think this time India intends to settle old scores with tacit US approval.
One little noticed facet of last years' confrontation was the economic war that India waged against Pakistan. There was little reason for India to back away while they created such havoc with Pakistans' economy. India's economy is several times larger than Pakistan's and the relative cost to the Paks for a long period of forward deployment and war alert status had a much more detrimental effect on defense spending. Out of an approximate budget of $300 million, analysts had estimated that up to a quarter was syphoned off for forward deployment.
Look to India to go that route again, further eroding Pakistani defense readiness.

[Bobby777]

true, but with all the Islamic's "holy war" they just might get a "war" none of them expected ... they're starting fights with everyone and the world isn't going to sit idly by for long ... it has been tolerated for awhile (far too long) ...

[Bobby777]

I think any *major* war between India and Pakistan has a high chance of going nuclear ... that won't be good ...

[telebob]

Yeah, wouldn't be good but it may not be as bad as some think. A lot of analysis was done during the last go-round as to ultimate casualties, loss to India/Pak economies, etc. If the war went nuclear, a lot of bad things would happen but frankly, these two countries seem to think they can deal with it to further their geostrategic goals.
Pakistan is feeling very isolated right now. China is really no use to them now that India and the Chinese are making kissy faces. Iran has just bailed on them too by signing a long term mutual defense agreement with India. Iraq just went belly up and they know better than to count on the US.
Thier only friend in the world at present is Saudi Arabia...and what help is that?

[TopQuark]

Have you noticed? Muslims never fight lowly wars like we do: all wars they fight are holy.

So what makes the war against India holy?

[truth_seeker]

"Jihadi (holy warrior) forces do not believe in talks," he told about 500 of his supporters in Rawalakot, roughly 65 miles south of Muzaffarabad, the capital of Pakistani Kashmir. "The jihad will not stop, the suicide attacks will continue."

However this guy, following the pattern of bin Laden, Arafat and Saddam, will NOT himself be committing suicide.

He'll scamper away, to hide out while the underlings do the dastardly, and cowardly homicides.

That is, after all, the militant jihadi leadership doctrine. "Do as I say, not as I do, oh brothers."

[Illbay]

You're talking about the Mughals.

They were Turks.

[Illbay]

Pakistan has been and will remain Jihad Central...

They don't hold a candle to Saudi Arabia.

[Illbay]

Consider that India is ruled by an extremist Hindu nationalist party.

[Cronos]

Hmmm Illbay, or is that Allahbey?
I don't recall Hindu fundies baying for American blood, but I do hear a lot of other fundies doing it.

[gulfcoast6]

Before long, one of the two countries are going to get tired of all this and drop the big on.

[Cronos]

Might be good for us if India does -- cleans up the MADrassas in our so called ally's territory.

[Cronos]

One also knows that our army's got a nice little inventory of all pak nukes. We should errr appropriate them, waddyasay?

[Illbay]

No, but they have been closing churches and mosques, and it seems likely that Christian missions--even those solely dedicated to humanitarian relief--may soon have to cease operations as the BJP considers their efforts "bribing" the low-castes and tribals into converting to Christianity.

The Islamofascists, except for the Shi'ites in Iran, rule no countries. The BJP, OTOH, rules a country of three-quarters of a billion persons, the great majority of whom are Hindus.

I guess if you don't consider the forced abandonment of the Indian subcontinent by all Christian presence to be a "really bad thing," then you're right.

[Cronos]

the forced abandonment of the Indian subcontinent by all Christian presence

Huh?
The last time I checked there's nothign of that sort going on. Even the BS talk the BJP was saying has ended. The Church I go to has regular briefings on how the faith is spreading in India and there have been quite a few converts there. Also, a country with 30 million Christians who live there quite well thank you with a community stretchign back to the years after Christ (the ones converted by St.Thomas) is hardly a country where there is state persecution of Christians
Do talk to someone who has actually been there, many priests, pastors etc. go there pretty regularly and there's no state sponsored anti-Christian movement.
It is a secular state unlike pak which is an Islamic state where christians have churches bombed.

I've not heard of any Church being closed and even after that mosque was torn down, the law of the land won't allow a temple to be built there.
Isfascists rule in Saud, Iran and for all purposes in Pak too.

Forced abandoment seems more like some warped propaganda whipped up by the likes of paknews

[Illbay]

The last time I checked there's nothign of that sort going on.

New anti-conversion laws in Hindu-majority India threaten Christian minority

[Illbay]

Even the BS talk the BJP was saying has ended.

A certain river in Egypt comes to mind.

[Cronos]

That's one state. This is sonething to the contrary: http://www.indiagateway.com/religion/christian.html

[rottweiller_inc]

I wonder what the numbers are on females converting to Islam, or is it just males that convert then, once Molem, force the females in his family to convert. Does Islam win female converts?

[Illbay]

You need to read the whole article.

[Illbay]

Wow, you manage to insult Muslims and men in the same sentence.

You're good.

[rottweiller_inc]

Just trying to understand "root causes".

[FITZ]

Does Islam win female converts?

Other than inner-city blacks, I think in the US it wins only female converts who convert in order to get a husband. I doubt many American men would convert.

[MaxwellWolf]

You are missing the major point. The anti-conversion laws are targeted against Muslims who are running rampant all over the place. Other religions have been caught up in this law but then how do you pass a law targeting only Islam without incurring the wrath of all the do-gooders and peaceniks in the world. Your analysis of events there is extremely naive.

[Illbay]

The anti-conversion laws are targeted against Muslims who are running rampant all over the place.

That's not how I'm reading it. Oddly enough Muslims aren't that big on conversions in the Middle East (including Pakistan).

The vast majority of Muslims are "live and let live types." Just like Hindus.

The problem is with the extremists.

[whadizit]

I wish some of these hate-mongers would formally declare a war against our forces in Iraq. They want a war? They'll get one, and once and for all, we can shut them up!

This "holy war" stuff is getting real old and is just a cover for wanting to take over.

[MaxwellWolf]

<> You have gotta be joking. Most Muslims are NOT "live and let live types"!!! Your agenda and goals are obviously when you say something like that.

[Gefreiter]

I don't know why any of these Islamic terrorists can't be a little more..constructive. I mean, why not declare jihad against bad roads, or poor hygiene, or filthy water, etc? Maybe fighting disease isn't manly enough.

Instead of calling for the deaths of other people, it would be much more valuable if they helped their own.

[mhking]

Didn't we just finish hearing this holy war crap from a few thousand miles further west?!?

[Illbay]

My "agenda and goals?"

By that I'm sure you mean it's obvious I don't paint an entire religious faith as "evil" because of the antics of a few nuts.