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Anything into Oil(solution to dependence on foregn oil?)
DISCOVER Vol. 24 No. 5 ^ | May 2003 | Brad Lemley

Posted on 04/21/2003 5:57:41 AM PDT by honway

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To: Walkingfeather
Sometimes people do create amazing things that work even when you do not believe them.

I also seem to recall a quote (can't remember the exact source) of Wilber Write declaring that secrets of powered flight were unlikely to be discovered within his lifetime. A couple of years later they were taking turns piloting the Write Flyer. Even in the weeks and months after their success, there were still a lot of people in the media claiming that it was a scam. The only thing that shut them up was when people actually started buying and flying the damn things.

41 posted on 04/21/2003 7:31:58 AM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: m1911

Posted on Wed, Apr. 16, 2003

Firm says it can create oil from waste products
By Tom Avril
Inquirer Staff Writer

Attention, Middle East oil barons! Some scientists toiling away in a South Philadelphia warehouse say they can give you fits. Their secret:

Turkey guts and old tires.

Those unwanted items, as well as plastics and anything else made of carbon and hydrogen, can be turned into oil. The scientists claim that the stuff is generally cleaner than what comes out of the ground, and that it would sharply reduce our dependence on foreign oil producers.

Don't believe it?

Neither does anyone else - at first.

"No variation," said Terry N. Adams, chief technology officer of Changing World Technologies Inc. "The initial reaction of everybody is skepticism."

Officials from the Long Island company demonstrated part of the waste-to-oil process yesterday at the Philadelphia Naval Business Center in a pilot plant built three years ago.

A full-scale plant is scheduled to go into operation later this month in Carthage, Mo. That $20 million plant will use the waste from a nearby turkey-processing plant owned by ConAgra Foods Inc., which formed a joint venture with Changing World to develop the technology.

Up to 200 tons a day of feathers, gristle, bones and fat will go in one end. Oil, similar to the stuff sold to heat homes, will come out the other.

The process is called "thermal depolymerization" - essentially heating the waste products in a low-oxygen environment so they break down into hydrocarbons without burning.

The concept has been around for decades, but no one has been able to do it cheaply enough to compete with drilling for oil.

Brian Appel, Changing World's chief executive officer, said the company's production costs were now $15 a barrel, not counting capital costs, compared with $5 to $13 a barrel for drilling for oil the old-fashioned way.

Appel said that, with the opening of additional plants, his costs would come down to near $5 a barrel.

Not everyone believes him, but plenty do. Based partly on the success of the Philadelphia plant, the venture received $14.5 million in federal grants to help build four more, including the one in Missouri.

The others also would be situated next to ConAgra facilities: Alabama (using leftover chicken parts), Nevada (onion husks), and Colorado (turkey waste). The grants are from the U.S. Department of Energy and the Environmental Protection Agency.

The City of Philadelphia also gave the company a $50,000 contract to study how to turn the city's sewage sludge into oil.

Scientists who have tried depolymerization in the past were intrigued by the company's claims, but said they would reserve judgment until they could see technical documentation.

"I would, of course, be skeptical until I could better understand what was going on," said Robert C. Brown, an engineering professor and head of the Center for Sustainable Environmental Technologies at Iowa State University.

Brown questioned whether the process required too much energy to heat the turkey guts and other raw materials, which are mixed with water and made into a slurry for processing.

He also questioned whether the raw materials would always be obtained so cheaply. For now, the company is counting on being paid to take old tires and other unwanted wastes.

"Once they're producing something as valuable as they say they are, people aren't going to give away dead chickens to them anymore," Brown said.

Ted Aulich, a University of North Dakota chemist who has researched a similar process for the plastics industry, said it might be economical but only in situations where a ready stream of waste were available.

"It's going to be a niche-type thing to start," Aulich said.

New government policies could work in favor of the venture. Just yesterday, for example, the Bush administration announced tougher rules for diesel emissions, requiring bulldozers and tractors to burn low-sulfur fuel. Changing World's oil is far lower in sulfur than what typically comes out of the ground.

Another boost could come from the growing concern over "mad cow" disease. Animal wastes have typically been ground up and sold as feed, but some have blamed that process for spreading the disease.

Acknowledging that turkey guts are not normally what comes to mind with South Philadelphia, Appel explained why the company chose the site for its research and development.

Kvaerner ASA was already there building the new shipyard, and was able to build a warehouse for Changing World at low cost. City officials also helped cut through environmental regulations and other red tape to lure the company, he said. In addition, the company secured a favorable lease on the property from the Philadelphia Industrial Development Corp.

"We've been embraced by the people of this city," Appel said.

If he finds a way to turn its sewage into oil, the city may embrace him even more.

42 posted on 04/21/2003 7:39:19 AM PDT by honway
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To: m1911
A full-scale plant is scheduled to go into operation later this month in Carthage, Mo

You are correct.

43 posted on 04/21/2003 7:40:59 AM PDT by honway
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To: honway
Oil alchemy? Or crude joke?
44 posted on 04/21/2003 7:43:57 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: honway
"It will make 21,000 gallons of water, which will be clean enough to discharge into a municipal sewage system."

So much for the world's water "crisis".

45 posted on 04/21/2003 7:50:03 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people.)
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To: honway
Soylent Green BTTT.

Interesting Technology.

46 posted on 04/21/2003 7:50:16 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: tcostell
"Oil is made of people!"
47 posted on 04/21/2003 7:55:54 AM PDT by m1911
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To: honway
This is an excellent post!

Ya know, I've been of the opinion for quite a long time, that all we need to solve just about any problem is an american with an idea and investors looking to make a profit.

If the process is as efficient as they are claiming, it could very well have serious geopolitical ramifications over the next 30 years. Just about every large agribusiness would find this process to be useful. I can even imagine the possibility of having folx who grow crops specifically for the purpose of rendering them into oil. These people rock, and I hope for 2 things. First, that it works as stated in the article. Second, for developing it, I hope the investors make obscene amounts of money.

48 posted on 04/21/2003 7:57:32 AM PDT by zeugma (If you use microsoft products, you are feeding the beast.)
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To: honway
It's a dam& muracull. Prounounced with a distinctly southern, and tinge of redneck accent. Actually this is a wait and see hope it works bump.
49 posted on 04/21/2003 8:06:11 AM PDT by wita (
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To: honway
Any word on the date of the IPO?
50 posted on 04/21/2003 8:17:46 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: zeugma
The thing the surprises me most is the near complete silence on this subject in the mainstream media.

Do you recall how the media covered Ginger, which was a scooter?

Unless this mult-million dollar venture is a complete fraud, and I am with Howard Buffett betting it is not,this may be one of the most important news stories of the year. Yet, there is little coverage in the media.

51 posted on 04/21/2003 8:21:52 AM PDT by honway
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To: *Energy_List
52 posted on 04/21/2003 8:21:58 AM PDT by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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Hmmm... My organic isn't that good, but this sounds interesting...
53 posted on 04/21/2003 8:24:54 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Chemist_Geek
Nice tagline for this thread.
54 posted on 04/21/2003 8:33:46 AM PDT by m1911
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To: honway

The next big thing. Please flag me to any new reports on this process and the tests of the Missouri plant.

I'd buy stock now if it was public. But the Buffets and their buddies have a lock on it, I would guess.
55 posted on 04/21/2003 8:42:33 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush
Yeah, the Buffets have been moving out of the market to private companies.
56 posted on 04/21/2003 9:27:44 AM PDT by m1911
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To: honway
"Thermal depolymerization, Appel says, has proved to be 85 percent energy efficient for complex feedstocks, such as turkey offal: "That means for every 100 Btus in the feedstock, we use only 15 Btus to run the process." He contends the efficiency is even better for relatively dry raw materials, such as plastics."

So long as the efficiency is < 100% (which it must be) you cannot get 'something for nothing'. That 15% simply means you are putting in 100 Btus and getting 85 back as fuel.

57 posted on 04/21/2003 9:50:53 AM PDT by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational)
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To: m1911
google search for "thermal depolymerization" lists 243 links, some already posted on this thread

[I couldn't get the google search link to work here]
58 posted on 04/21/2003 9:56:12 AM PDT by citizen (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!)
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To: CollegeRepublican
I was thinking the same thing.

Question now is: how many molecules make up a single prion, and if a prion is more than one molecule, can broken-up "individualized" prion molecules act as mini-infectious particles/agents?

59 posted on 04/21/2003 9:57:35 AM PDT by IWONDR
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To: honway
Seems to have President Bush fooled too. Not!

Dubya: A new generation of technology has been developed by Changing World Technologies which can solve the nation's energy crisis and turn waste materials into valuable and marketable fuel alternatives. These processes also solve the nation's waste disposal problems by eliminating all residuals. The time has come to utilize waste materials as resources and the technology has advanced to make such a transformation achievable.

60 posted on 04/21/2003 10:01:53 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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