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Kansas Governor, university weigh sexuality-class obscenity
Knight Ridder ^ | Fri, Apr. 18, 2003 | STEVE PAINTER

Posted on 04/21/2003 10:37:30 AM PDT by new cruelty

TOPEKA, Kan. -(KRT) - Complaints brought by state Sen. Susan Wagle against a University of Kansas human sexuality class are getting the attention of the university and the governor.

The university says it is investigating Wagle's complaints that class materials are pornographic.

Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, meanwhile, has until Monday to decide whether to sign the budget bill, which would withhold state money from university departments that use materials deemed obscene under state law.

Wagle, a Wichita Republican, attached the provision to withhold the money to the state's main budget bill.

Sebelius has called the amendment "micromanaging" academic material but has not said whether she will use her line-item veto to eliminate it.

Wagle claims materials used by professor Dennis Dailey are pornographic; she says this constitutes harassment of female students.

"I just can't imagine being a female and sitting through that class," Wagle said.

Dailey has declined comment since the issue surfaced three weeks ago during Senate debate.

Wagle detailed her objections in a letter to KU chancellor Robert Hemenway dated April 6 - 10 days after she brought the issue to the Senate.

University officials say Dailey has a long and distinguished career and has taught the human sexuality class for 20 years without complaint. It is one of the most popular classes at the university, regularly filling a 500-seat auditorium.

Faculty at KU and other state universities have come to Dailey's defense, as have students, three of whom met recently with Sebelius' staff to urge the veto.

"I absolutely do not see any of the class conducted in an offensive manner," said Jen Hein, one of the students who met with the governor's staff.

If Wagle's amendment becomes law, KU could lose $3.1 million in state funding and universities with similar classes could see their funding cut.

It would cut off money to an entire department - in this case, the School of Social Welfare - if materials used are found to be obscene. A court would make that determination, based on community standards.

Wagle said she started pursuing the issue in January after being contacted by a student taking the class. Later, Wagle said, she contacted other students in the class who she said had similar complaints.

They taped some of Dailey's lectures, which Wagle said confirmed their complaints.

One student in the class - whom Wagle arranged to call the Wichita Eagle newspaper _said Dailey uses a common obscenity when referring to sexual intercourse and uses explicit videos. The student asked not to be identified, saying she feared her grade would be jeopardized.

"It's hard to sit in that class and take it all the time," the student said. "It's disgusting. It's offensive to me."

Her complaints mirror those outlined in Wagle's letter to Hemenway. The letter says Dailey:

Belittled and gave "the finger" to a student who walked out the first day, saying she was dropping the class.

Uses "groping motions" when discussing women's breasts.

Encourages students to contact him outside of class to discuss sexual problems.

Made inappropriate comments while showing slides of female genitals, including those of a 5-year-old and a 10-year-old girl.

"I just felt like, this is a concern for the taxpayers of Kansas," Wagle said. "This professor is out of line. I don't think it's a healthy environment."

Kelly Graf, a KU student from Wichita, said she found none of Dailey's course materials nor his remarks demeaning to women.

"He does interject humor, and he does joke about it to keep it light-hearted," said Graf, a business major who plans to pursue a law degree.

Hein, a journalism student, agreed.

"If anything, as women we come out of that class feeling better about ourselves," she said.

As for vulgar language, Graf said, "He uses the language that people use to talk about sex with their friends.

"Some of the things did make me feel uncomfortable, but I'm glad I watched them."

The subject matter covered in Dailey's class is almost identical to that in a Wichita State University class on human sexuality, said Elwin Barret. An associate professor, he co-teaches the class with Margo Breckbill, a nurse and adjunct professor.

University officials decided when they started the course 25 years ago to use a male-female team to give the class a balanced perspective, Barret said.

WSU does not buy the clinical videotapes offered in the KU class because they are expensive, Barret said. He figures students have seen similar material if they want to because it is readily available from commercial outlets.

Still, he said, graphic material cannot be avoided in the subject matter, including discussion of masturbation and sexual aids used in therapy for people with sexual dysfunctions.

Barret had no criticism of Dailey's approach.

"Some people use kind of a confrontational humor to get their point across, and some people don't," he said. "Sometimes you say something and people don't appreciate it. That's just part of teaching."


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1 posted on 04/21/2003 10:37:30 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: new cruelty
I suppose students in criminal psychology classes need to view snuff films to really understand the criminal mind.
2 posted on 04/21/2003 10:43:50 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: new cruelty
Apparently I have all the requirements needed to teach this course. Vulgarity and acting like a pig is my strong suit.
3 posted on 04/21/2003 10:44:04 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: new cruelty
Last year about this time, I ran into a few human sexuality students at a party in KC. I'm not sure if the curriculum at KU should have this as a class(es) and area of degreee study, but it did make for a very interesting evening.

That's about all I've got to say about that.

4 posted on 04/21/2003 10:46:41 AM PDT by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: new cruelty
"Some of the things did make me feel uncomfortable, but I'm glad I watched them."

What!!??
5 posted on 04/21/2003 10:48:18 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Beware the Fedayeen Rodham!)
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To: new cruelty
Teaching sex to college kids is like teaching fish to swim.
6 posted on 04/21/2003 10:52:41 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: new cruelty
Made inappropriate comments while showing slides of female genitals, including those of a 5-year-old and a 10-year-old girl.

I'm about as far from a prude as it gets, but some things just ain't right.

7 posted on 04/21/2003 11:00:52 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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The great thing about college courses is that you can drop them. These students should stop complaining, drop the course, and take something different next semester.
8 posted on 04/21/2003 11:06:05 AM PDT by pickemuphere
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To: pickemuphere
I agree. There are also some courses at state funded universities the taxpayers should NOT have to obligated to pay for.
9 posted on 04/21/2003 11:09:25 AM PDT by goldstategop ( In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: pickemuphere
It sounds like the problem is not so much the class or subject matter as it is the professor teaching the class.

Her complaints mirror those outlined in Wagle's letter to Hemenway. The letter says Dailey:

Belittled and gave "the finger" to a student who walked out the first day, saying she was dropping the class.

Uses "groping motions" when discussing women's breasts.

Encourages students to contact him outside of class to discuss sexual problems.

Made inappropriate comments while showing slides of female genitals, including those of a 5-year-old and a 10-year-old girl.

11 posted on 04/21/2003 11:13:23 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Joe Whitey
I recall taking a class similar to this. The classroom was less than half full most of the semester save for those 'special' days when film were shown, then it was standing room only.
12 posted on 04/21/2003 11:17:41 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Joe Whitey
Most government is obscene, no? Why pick on da professors.
15 posted on 04/21/2003 11:23:53 AM PDT by meenie
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To: new cruelty
I guess they will be giving up the slogan, "Show Me".

Kidding aside. Kudos to the Kansas Senator for her righteous indignation. The times, they are a changing. Thank God.
16 posted on 04/21/2003 11:44:21 AM PDT by Search4Truth (Power perceived, is power achieved.)
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To: new cruelty
Does this have any connection to the idiot who encouraged his students to film their own pronos for human sexuality class?
(Wasn't that one in Kalifornia?)
17 posted on 04/21/2003 1:45:21 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Search4Truth
Missouri is the "Show Me" state not Kansas
18 posted on 04/21/2003 1:49:13 PM PDT by DeathfromBelow
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To: DeathfromBelow
"Missouri is the "Show Me" state not Kansas"

DOH!
19 posted on 04/21/2003 1:56:37 PM PDT by Search4Truth (Power perceived, is power achieved.)
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To: Darksheare
Do you need a mirror to film your own prono? And where exactly is it? Maybe I need a sex ed refresher course?

BTW - I can't answer your question. ;-)

20 posted on 04/21/2003 1:56:51 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Support Our Troops!)
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To: new cruelty
"Hein, a journalism student, agreed. "If anything, as women we come out of that class feeling better about ourselves," she said."

So she'd rather be thought of as a 'piece of meat' to be used and thrown away, an object to be used to satiate lust rather than to be loved adored and cherished...
Guess she's been properly brainwashed by the NOW gang.

(The NOW gang:Have sex like a man, pay for it like a woman! Then she can excersize her 'right to choice' by having an abortion. Never mind the choice was made when she chose to have sex...)
21 posted on 04/21/2003 1:57:56 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: Tunehead54
Me and my typos...
I sometimes type too fast with the right hand and the left hand lags behind, so I end up trying to compensate.
And 'the' ands up being 'teh' and such..
I hate being right handed..

Some idiot human sexuality prof encouraged his class to film their own Pornos.. it should read.
22 posted on 04/21/2003 1:59:50 PM PDT by Darksheare (Nox aeternus en pax.)
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To: All
I bet Hillary Governor will veto this.
23 posted on 04/21/2003 7:57:44 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (God Reigns!)
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To: pickemuphere
Some college courses are required (though this is not one of them).
24 posted on 04/21/2003 7:58:46 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (God Reigns!)
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To: spinneyhead
Oh brother. No one is griping about real sexual discussions. But this guy is claiming that his students need to be teased when they leave for the restroom, they need to view kiddie genitals while hearing suggestive comments, and they need to view all manners of sex films in order to become good sexual psychologists. If we can't tell the difference then decency has no definition.
26 posted on 04/22/2003 10:38:12 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: spinneyhead
.....and no one said the guy can't keep teaching the class. Let the liberals cough up their own money for once. Tax-payers should not have to pay for smut.
27 posted on 04/22/2003 10:39:12 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: spinneyhead
No. Everyone admitted it was the norm. They just didn't have a problem with it. I pay taxes in Kansas and I've got a problem with it. That senator speaks for me. KU can still offer the class. We are talking about funding here.
29 posted on 04/22/2003 11:03:21 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: spinneyhead
Besides...our RAT governor vetoed the bill anyway. You smut lives on and I'm still writing the checks. You should be happy.
30 posted on 04/22/2003 11:04:22 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
Yep, we get to keep paying a professor to teach students that it's normal to be sexually attracted to children.

But abstinence education is a definite no-no.

I'm going to be sick.
31 posted on 04/22/2003 11:15:08 AM PDT by axel f
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To: axel f
Me too!
32 posted on 04/22/2003 11:18:17 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
If you liked that one, check out this thread. Boy, Kathleen had a fun vetoing bills yesterday, didn't she?
33 posted on 04/22/2003 11:23:00 AM PDT by axel f
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To: RAT Patrol
An update here:

Lawmaker To Watch Controversial Videos From KU Sexuality Course

34 posted on 05/04/2003 6:00:39 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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