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Scientists find there is no quick cure for Sars
Times Online ^ | April 23, 2003 | James Doran in Toronto and Oliver Wright

Posted on 04/22/2003 4:57:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA

SCIENTISTS searching for a cure for severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars) have suffered a setback after finding that the virus blamed for the potentially fatal disease was not present in most patients taken ill. The World Health Organisation announced last week that the corona virus — responsible for the common cold — was at the root of the epidemic of a virulent strain of pneumonia. But Dr Frank Plummer, scientific director of the Canadian National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg, refuted the claim yesterday after weeks of intensive research into the disease that has killed 14 people in Toronto.

“Only 40 per cent of the people with what we call Sars have the corona virus. We have found no other virus but the connection between Sars and corona is actually very weak,” he said.

A WHO spokesman said that it was aware of the Canadian findings and was investigating. Dick Thompson, for the WHO, said that in previous tests carried out for the organisation the corona virus had been present in 90 per cent of all cases. “For now, we stand by our view that the corona virus is the cause, but what we need to investigate is why we have this anomaly in Canada,” he said. “One possibility is that it has been present in all the cases but is simply not being picked up at the time of testing. All the cases in Canada came from one infected person. We need to see if the virus has mutated.”

On April 16, Dr Klaus Stohr, of the WHO, released the results of a series of experiments on monkeys infected with Sars. “We can now say with all confidence that the causative agent of Sars is the corona virus first detected in Hong Kong on March 21,” he said. But Dr Marc-André Beaulieu, senior medical adviser with Health Canada, said that all scientists and government departments working on Sars should now be “more prudent”.

The announcement by Canadian officials came as researchers in British Columbia claimed to be doing a trial of a test for Sars on patients with suspected or probable symptoms of the disease. The researchers said that they were making progress and hoped to have a test available to the public within weeks.

But Dr Beaulieu said: “In order to develop a good diagnostic test you have to have a clear definition of the cause. For us this means we now have to be more prudent. We are saying that we would prefer to have a much more clear understanding of what causes the disease.”

The revelations from Health Canada coincided with an emergency meeting between Canadian health officials and senior officials from the American Centres for Disease Control.

American officials have become increasingly worried about the spread of Sars over the US-Canadian border since the disease was diagnosed this week in a man in Pennsylvania. The man was known to have been in contact with a 500-strong church group from Toronto, from which two people have died and 27 others have been infected. The 471 remaining members of the group are in quarantine.

Travellers to Toronto are being asked to monitor their health while in the city and during the ten days after their return. Sars has killed more than 230 people and infected some 4,500 since it emerged in China in November.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cnml; coronavirus; sars; who
This story gets stranger by the hour
1 posted on 04/22/2003 4:57:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA
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To: 11th_VA
Start trying things....Vitamin C would be my first suggestion.
2 posted on 04/22/2003 5:05:15 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (mnGod Bless Our Troops!)
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To: 11th_VA
If you die does that mean you got sick?
3 posted on 04/22/2003 5:06:46 PM PDT by woofie
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To: 11th_VA
the virus blamed for the potentially fatal disease was not present in most patients taken ill.

“Only 40 per cent of the people with what we call Sars have the corona virus.

Any one know of a more detailed account of his reasearch? I'd like to know if he was testing specimens from both suspected and probable cases. Also would like to know at what stage of their sickness these specimens were taken.

4 posted on 04/22/2003 5:17:08 PM PDT by per loin
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To: 11th_VA
A new thought: Now that we know the virus is lethal in sneeze droplets for 24 hours, contaminated MONEY will be a means of contracting the disease.
5 posted on 04/22/2003 5:31:18 PM PDT by Uncle George
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To: per loin; Mother Abigail; Dog Gone; Petronski; riri; EternalHope; Domestic Church; aristeides; ...
ProMed has a new update.

http://www.promedmail.org/pls/askus/f?p=2400:1001:74450732536682881::NO::F2400_P1001_BACK_PAGE,F2400_P1001_PUB_MAIL_ID:1000,21357
7 posted on 04/22/2003 5:33:08 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: 11th_VA
What are we supposed to make of this? Are people in Toronto getting deathly sick from a psychosomatic illness?

Are testing procedures flawed? Is the disease mutating into something we currently can't detect?

8 posted on 04/22/2003 5:40:01 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: 11th_VA
“Only 40 per cent of the people with what we call Sars have the corona virus. We have found no other virus but the connection between Sars and corona is actually very weak,”

This is not good if truely the case. Tough finding a cure if you don't know the cause.

9 posted on 04/22/2003 5:40:30 PM PDT by Brian S (OLLIE OLLIE OXEN FREE!!!)
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To: Brian S
Hope I read this right: "Most deaths occurred in people who had chronic illnesses".
10 posted on 04/22/2003 5:46:53 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (mnGod Bless Our Troops!)
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To: CathyRyan
Quite a few sick children in this latest update. Mostly from the Singapore market.
11 posted on 04/22/2003 5:50:54 PM PDT by riri
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To: Sacajaweau
Looking into old City of Rochester epidemics: Unsanitary conditions was a big part of the spread of these tragedies.

Unfortunately, we have a society that says "go to work, go to school", even if you're sick. The result is whole school districts get shut down!! If you're sick or your kids are sick, treat it like a sickness. STAY HOME!!

12 posted on 04/22/2003 5:59:19 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Uncle George
No problem. I don't have money. I have VISA and Mastercard!!
13 posted on 04/22/2003 6:00:29 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: per loin
The initial study had over 2000 samples I think. I wonder if Mother Abigail is part of this research group as she thought the viral pieces being found were just artifacts.

Of those micro biologists bumped off, there was one who had done some sort of environmental stress study(UV and such on molecular & microbio) based in Antartica. His work seemed offbeat compared to the rest but I wonder if this study might point to something.
14 posted on 04/22/2003 6:28:45 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...paging the pink panther)
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To: Brian S
People who actually have SARS but test negative for Corona Virus will be more likely to be treated and released. They could then spread the disease to other people.

The lack of a reliable test has huge public health implications.
15 posted on 04/22/2003 6:37:28 PM PDT by VeganFreeper (Short belt, long life.)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; 2sheep; Prodigal Daughter; BearWash; MaggieMay; IFly4Him
Main Entry: co·ro·na
Pronunciation: k&-'rO-n&
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin, garland, crown, cornice -- more at CROWN
Date: 1563
1 : the projecting part of a classic cornice
2 a : a usually colored circle often seen around and close to a luminous body (as the sun or moon) caused by diffraction produced by suspended droplets or occasionally particles of dust b : the tenuous outermost part of the atmosphere of a star (as the sun) c : a circle of light made by the apparent convergence of the streamers of the aurora borealis d : the upper portion of a bodily part (as a tooth or the skull) e : an appendage or series of united appendages on the inner side of the corolla in some flowers (as the daffodil, jonquil, or milkweed) f : a faint glow adjacent to the surface of an electrical conductor at high voltage
3 [from La Corona, a trademark] : a long cigar having the sides straight to the end to be lit and being roundly blunt at the other end
[corona illustration]

Sars, corona virus, death... prince of the power of the air and all of that.

08269 sar {sar}
from 08323; TWOT - 2295a; n m

AV - prince 208, captain 130, chief 33, ruler 33, governor 6, keeper 3,
principal 2, general 1, lords 1, misc 4; 421

1) prince, ruler, leader, chief, chieftain, official, captain
1a) chieftain, leader
1b) vassal, noble, official (under king)
1c) captain, general, commander (military)
1d) chief, head, overseer (of other official classes)
1e) heads, princes (of religious office)
1f) elders (of representative leaders of people)
1g) merchant-princes (of rank and dignity)
1h) patron-angel
1i) Ruler of rulers (of God)
1j) warden

16 posted on 04/22/2003 6:40:53 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (| 8^)
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To: Domestic Church
In Hong Kong they also did not always find the virus in the early stage of the sickness.

The number of "probables" among Canada's total count is just a bit over 40%. Perhaps they were sampling from the "suspects" also.

17 posted on 04/22/2003 6:45:34 PM PDT by per loin
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To: Domestic Church
she thought the viral pieces being found were just artifacts.

Could you explain to the non-medical/science people here what this means? Thanks ---

18 posted on 04/22/2003 7:23:17 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Domestic Church
My wife, with whom I never argue, claims that before Mother Abigail went off-line she was warning us that the viruses were not the root cause of SARS. Is that true? And can someone show me where she said that.

19 posted on 04/22/2003 7:50:12 PM PDT by I'll be your Huckleberry
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry
I remember what you are talking about. However, I don't think she said it was not a virus. She basically said she believed we were looking at an immune system destroyer, and we were seeing remnants of opportunistic infections. This what not how she stated it but it was exactly how I phrased the question back to her and she said yes, that was what she meant.

I have tried to find the thread (wow, the threads were really hysterical back then, and I don't mean funny) but I can't get back that far.

20 posted on 04/22/2003 8:25:29 PM PDT by riri
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry; pram; riri
Here's an older link on SARS posted by Mother Abigail:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/876176/posts

Pram, By artifacts Mother Abigail meant that the viral pieces being found weren't the root cause but were impairing the researchers from seeing beyond. For instance in radiology, artifacts on x-rays can misguide the radiologist. You probably have some photos with small artifacts caused by specks of dust or lint on a camera lense.
21 posted on 04/23/2003 9:01:17 AM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...paging the pink panther)
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To: 11th_VA
No quick cure? Then find a slow cure....anything to cut down on all these SARS threads.
22 posted on 04/23/2003 9:03:25 AM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: Domestic Church; per loin; CathyRyan; aristeides; EternalHope
Interestinq quote I read last night that I think may apply to SARS.It is in response William Beveridge who authored Influenza: The Last Great Plague

He was wrong ofcourse. (Beveridge), and yet he was partially correct: the flu is in fact the last classic type of plague...He goes on to say " A disease used to be defined either by it's symptoms or by the damage itcaused to anatomical structures. Neither defintion applies to AIDS (in his view the first modern plague), a disease without specific clinical symptoms, charachterized by invisible subcellular damage and caused by a germ that could not be detected even by the most up to date analysis"

Excerpted from Virus, Luc Montagnier

23 posted on 04/23/2003 9:34:44 AM PDT by riri
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To: riri; All
SARS tied to genetic engineering?.
24 posted on 04/23/2003 11:03:31 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Domestic Church
Thank you,

That thread seems so long ago. How fast this is all moving.
25 posted on 04/23/2003 2:20:12 PM PDT by I'll be your Huckleberry
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To: Domestic Church; riri
Did you notice that MA bookmarked that thread to herself? I don't remember seeing that.
26 posted on 04/23/2003 2:22:41 PM PDT by I'll be your Huckleberry
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To: Consort
....anything to cut down on all these SARS threads.

I agree! We need more room for the long Scott Peterson threads. And Dixie Chickens too!

27 posted on 04/23/2003 2:26:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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To: Revolting cat!
Right. Nobody overdoes it like us.
28 posted on 04/23/2003 2:47:07 PM PDT by Consort (Use only un-hyphenated words when posting.)
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To: I'll be your Huckleberry
Yes, I noticed MA did that and I wondered why she mentioned it too(and then I bookmarked as well.) Much to read between the lines.
29 posted on 04/23/2003 3:48:56 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...paging the pink panther)
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