Finally equalize sexes in combat (Here we go...)

usatoday ^ | 4/23/03 | Robin Gerber

[Maverick241]

During the daring rescue of prisoner of war Jessica Lynch from an Iraqi hospital, the first commando to reach Lynch identified himself as a United States soldier. The 19-year-old Army private replied, "I'm an American soldier, too."

Lynch is a soldier

[Maverick241]

What makes me so upset about this is exploiting Pvt. Lynch just to further a political agenda.

[mbynack]

If a woman can do a job as well as a man she should get the opportunity. Unfortunately the military has had to lower the physical standards for many jobs just to allow women to qualify. I worked with a dozen women while on active duty and not one of them was as physically qualified to do the job as the average male in the same field.

Four out of five female fighter pilots that I saw go through the training would have washed out if they were men. The fifth was absolutely outstanding.

[ElectricStrawberry]

Leave women the hell outta the infantry.....period. Anyone that wants them to be there has no clue as to how or WHY the infantry works and is just furthering an agenda.

[Search4Truth]

They are not just willing to exploit women, they're willing to have them brutalize, raped and killed, just to further their political agenda. Feminism is evil.

[Adrastus]

Where's that picture of the guy holding his head saying,"Oh,no. Not this sh** again!"

[Search4Truth]

We must not forget that Feminism is the bastard daughter of Marxism. Simply replace "Class" with "Gender".

Here are 10 reasons why we should be concerned about feminism.

1. "The simple fact is that every woman must be willing to be identified as a lesbian to be fully feminist" (National NOW Times, January, 1988).

2. "Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage" (radical feminist leader Sheila Cronan).

3. In response to a question concerning China's policy of compulsory abortion after the first child, Molly Yard responded, "I consider the Chinese government's policy among the most intelligent in the world" (Gary Bauer, "Abetting Coercion in China," The Washington Times, Oct. 10, 1989).

4. "Overthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole...patriarch!" (Gloria Steinem, radical feminist leader, editor of MS magazine).

5. "Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women.... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men.... All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft" (from "The Declaration of Feminism," November, 1971).

6. "By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God." (Gloria Steinem, editor of MS magazine).

7. "Let's forget about the mythical Jesus and look for encouragement, solace, and inspiration from real women.... Two thousand years of patriarchal rule under the shadow of the cross ought to be enough to turn women toward the feminist 'salvation' of this world." (Annie Laurie Gaylor, "Feminist Salvation," The Humanist, p. 37, July/August 1988.

8. "In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them" (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College, and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman).

9. "Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family- maker is a choice that shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that." (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, The Daily Illini, April 25, 1981.

10. "The most merciful thing a large family can to do one of its infant members is to kill it." (Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, in "Women and the New Race," p. 67).

[ILBBACH]

I think the author forgot a few points:

Women take forever going to the bathroom in the field. They can slow down an advancing unit. (Not to mention more trouble when Aunt Flo is in town!)

Physical standards are lowered for women in training. If any woman can meet the physical standards of the men, then the standards for the men aren't high enough.

What happens when a female sailor becomes pregnant? It becomes the Captain's first priority to get her off the ship, changing their schedules duties.

If women think that they can bond with men, then they have no idea what a bond between men is.

It doesn't matter how brave and courageous women may be, what matters is how the majority of a unit (the men) react when the women in that unit are in danger.

IMHO, women get in the way of men trying to do a man's job, and when women run things - they get screwed up (i.e. public education).

Bring on the flaming posts!

[Search4Truth]

That was very un-PC of you.

[Darksheare]

Having been in uniform I can tell you that:
Women and men are really well and truly vastly different physically in as much as women honestly CAN'T do some of the same tasks militarily as men.
CAN'T.
Yes, that is read correctly.
In teh physical fitness test, there are different standards for men and women.
In combat situations, those differences are magnified.
The ability to run 2 miles under a certain time is a measure of endurance.
The standards for women are far lower than those for men.

In combat, men will try to 'make up the difference' in performance to the detriment of the mission.
Not to knock women in uniform, I have no problem with that.
It's just fact, plain and simple.
Closing one's eyes and saying "There is no difference" is insane and foolish.
Women do not belong in combat, period.
Want to know why?
Everyone who has experimented with mixed sex units has had to spin off single sex units to prevent one thing from happening:
The men will try to 'take a bullet' for the women simply because the women are WOMEN.
That endangers the mission.
Yes, you cover your buddies in combat, but you don't do stupid stuff like make a target of yourself to do so.

What really needs to be done is to remove the hands form the eyes and stop repeating the false mantra of "There is no differnece between the sexes" and honestly look at fact.
If there truly were no differences in performance, then the APFT wouldn't have different standards for women and men.

[WOSG]

"Closing one's eyes and saying "There is no difference" is insane and foolish."

The feminists are not in the field. They have another agenda. They dont care if it risks lives. They've pushed equality in other areas that hurts in many other ways.

Here is a better plan: The rest of the country butt out of military standards, and let the US military decide who they need and what standards to apply, with one goal: Do what is best for our national security.

[VMI70]

I have just one thing to say about the premise of this article:

Bull Sh*t

[ChuckHam]

You meant to say Bull Clinton, didn't you?

[WOSG]

Army flight surgeon Maj. Rhonda Cornum and Army Transportation Spc. Melissa Rathbun-Nealy. Cornum, who suffered multiple injuries when the helicopter carrying her was shot down, was sexually assaulted and repeatedly interrogated. As she told Time magazine, "You're supposed to look at this as a fate worse than death. Having faced both, I can tell you it's not. Getting molested was not the biggest deal of my life." WHOA NELLY! You mean rape and sexual abuse is "not a big deal" after all???!?? After all those years of "sexual harrassment" awareness?!? etc. Gee, I guess those womyn can go 'give the night back' to the men again.

I am mainly point this out to show that feminists often use illegitimate arguments to make one point then inconsistently make the opposite point in a different argument.

[mbynack]

Typically when moving on foot a unit can only travel as fast as its slowest member. Also, most women can't carry a full pack and someone else has to pick up the slack (or you can just leave the ammo or radios at base camp.)

Another problem is the added logistics of mixing women into a combat unit. If you have one woman you still have to provide separate sleeping tents, separate latrine facilities, etc.

The attitude that this is a good thing is misguided. You put the whole unit at risk in an attempt to be PC.

[Darksheare]

I know.
I've said it before, and been flamed for it before, the Feminist movement has done more to hurt and reduce women to 'objects' than any man has done in history.

The feminist movement went from equal pay for equal work to 'payback' simply for being born women.
Now, if a man holds open a door for a woman, he's "sexually harrassing her". (Personal experience.)

The rest of the country butting out of military standards would be a good thing.
But, you know the old saying in the military..
"You know we can't do tha! It makes too much sense!"

[Blue Screen of Death]

Women take forever going to the bathroom in the field.

Not only that, they can't leave messages by writing in the snow.

[sr4402]

Her experience shows that the time is right to blast through the armored ceiling that keeps women second-class citizens in the military

Somehow I don't think this reporter has talked to Lynch. Seems like her male captors took full advantage of her. I would be surpized if she wasn't:

Was she sexually assaulted, given VDs such as aids, sypallis, multilated, busted (most of her bones and back were broken) ?. I'm sure she'll look great on a date if she can ever walk again.

Were just lucky she wasn't PREGNANT at the time when she was captured, or married with a child at home.

Gee... are you so sure putting women in harms way is such a great idea?

[1redshirt]

Bring on the flaming posts!

Actually, this Vietnam Vet 100% agrees with you ... women have NO business anywhere near combat.

[A. Pole]

Excuse No. 2: Women have an adverse effect on male bonding and cohesion in a unit. Lynch proved not only that she was able to fight to defend her unit, but also that she was part of a group in which everyone was fighting to protect each other.

Yeah, and her case proved that the military are willing to make a special operation to rescue a female soldier. Something like in GI Jane movie where the action is dangerously modified in order to protect a woman member of a team.

I suspect this type of "cohesion" is not very useful.

[Darksheare]

"I suspect this type of "cohesion" is not very useful."

See the second half of my post #9.
No, it isn't useful nor healthy.