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Posted on 04/24/2003 8:27:26 AM PDT by Suck My AR-16
For at least four years while living in Hamburg during the 1990’s terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta was part of a 'joint venture' between the U.S. and German Governments, the MadCowMorningNews has learned, an elite international “exchange” program run by a little-known private organization with close ties to powerful American political figures like David Rockefeller and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.
(Excerpt) Read more at madcowprod.com ...
Atta group pondered bombing of US consulate in Hamburg: Weekly
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/781769/posts
Mohammed Atta: The Hamburg connection
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/759653/posts
Father insists alleged leader is still alive (Mohammed Atta)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/743252/posts
Terror phone link (Atta phoned Australian contacts)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/725603/posts
Islamic Fundamentalist infiltrated German police (went to the same mosque as Mohammed Atta)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/711788/posts
9-11 MASTERMIND: Investigators identify Atta recruiter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/698649/posts
>>...A year-long MadCowMorningNews investigation has uncovered evidence that at least seven of Mohamed Atta's closest associates in Florida during the year leading up to the 9/11 attack were not Arab, but German....<<
Don't forget the German connection to the OKC Bombing: Andreas "Andy the German" Strausmeier (sp?).
A subsidiary of the HoofInMouth publishing group.
Why is Morris Dees so determined to absolve Andreas Strassmeir of having had a role in the events surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing?
Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center—a private group that works closely with the FBI, the BATF, the CIA and other federal agencies—is again working to cover up the role of federal undercover informants in the Oklahoma bombing.
Dees is particularly concerned with brushing away all memory of one individual in particular: Hebrew-speaking German immigrant Andreas Strassmeir—often described as a “neo-Nazi”—whom multiple reliable witnesses placed in the company of confessed bomber Timothy McVeigh prior to the tragedy.
The most recent effort by Dees to cover for Strassmeir came in the Spring 2002 issue of Dees’ Intelligence Report in a review of a new book—In Bad Company, by author Mark Hamm—that describes the role of Strassmeir and others in the bombing.
Actually, Dees’s review never even mentions Strassmeir by name, referring only to “a German” mentioned in Hamm’s book. Dees clearly wants to erase Strassmeir’s name forever.
Dismissing Hamm’s revelations as simply “claims”—Dees disregards all the evidence Hamm and others brought forth regarding Strassmeir.
Despite Dees’s attack on Hamm’s book implicating Strassmeir, Hamm does not suggest Strassmeir was an undercover informant. Instead, Hamm buys the line put out by the federal government and by Dees that Strassmeir was just another “neo-Nazi.”
This is precisely why Dees’ cover-up for Strassmeir is significant: If Strassmeir was a “neo-Nazi” of the type Dees is so fond of pursuing, it is strange Dees gives Strassmeir a free pass.
However, if Strassmeir was a federal informer inside “neo-Nazi” circles, Dees’s defense of Strassmeir makes sense, in light of Dees’s own ties to an array of federal agencies as well as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B’nai B’rith which works closely with those same agencies.
Dees’s review is also careful not to mention the name of former federal undercover informant Carol Howe, who fingered Strassmeir, or the specifics of her charges. Miss Howe is referred to only (and falsely) as “a mentally unstable former federal informant.”
In fact, Miss Howe’s charges have been fully examined, documented, and confirmed by a wide-ranging series of independent investigators all of whom found Howe credible. They include: Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of The London Telegraph; J. D. Cash, of The Jubilee and The McCurtain Daily Gazette; Former Oklahoma Rep. Charles Key; New American editor William Jasper; Mrs. Kathy Wilburn (who lost two grandchildren in the bombing); and Ex-Marine Colonel Roger Charles (a former ABC producer).
In addition, respected columnists Sam Francis and Robert Novak lent their support to the allegations Strassmeir was an informant.
Dees’s defense of Strassmeir echoes a previous cover-up effort by Dees in the Summer 2001 issue of his Intelligence Report. There, Dees published a malicious at tack on Miss Howe, saying she had spun “a confused story about [her] ex-boyfriend [Dennis] Mahon and other Elohim City denizens’ alleged involvement” in the bombing.” In fact, Howe’s story focused on Strassmeir—whom Dees never mentioned at all. Dees instead shifted attention to Strassmeir’s associate who, by all reports, now also believes Strassmeir was an undercover informant.
Howe’s story was never “confused” and not something she dreamed up after the bombing as Dees implied. Howe told her BATF handlers about Strassmeir prior to the bombing—as even her BATF handler later admitted in court.
STRASSMEIR WAS KEY PLAYER
McVeigh’s first attorney, Stephen Jones, and his more recent attorneys, Rob Nigh, Richard Burr, Nathan Chambers and Christopher Tritico, have all charged Strassmeir was a key player in the scenario.
When McVeigh’s attorneys appealed to block Mc Veigh’s execution, they cited newly-released FBI documents which suggested that “there was . . . evidence, withheld by the government, that another person could well have been the mastermind behind the bombing.”
The attorneys named Strassmeir and his friend, Dennis Mahon, as possible co-conspirators, charging the FBI engaged in a “scheme to suppress evidence” of their roles, alleging that information in the FBI documents “suggested that one of the other participants in the bombing was an informant for federal law enforcement officers.”
Not only do most investigators seem to have concluded Strassmeir, more so than Mahon, was the likely candidate but, as noted, Mahon apparently now believes Strassmeir was a government man all along.
While the names of Strassmeir and Mahon were revealed by the European-based Reuters News Agency on June 7, 2001, their names were suppressed by U.S. news sources despite a media frenzy over the effort to block McVeigh’s execution.
Dees’s attacks on Miss Howe echo the same language used by Strassmeir’s chief defender, his close friend and attorney, Kirk Lyons.
This is no surprise. From the beginning, Lyons joined Dees and the ADL, along with The New York Times, Newsweek, The Washington Post and the rest of the elite media in trying to suppress the Strassmeir connection.
The ADL had early, inside knowledge of McVeigh’s activities, either provided to the ADL by a federal source—based on data provided by Strassmeir and his associates—or by Strassmeir himself.
The likelihood Strassmeir was an informant also suggests his attorney, Lyons, was aware of Strassmeir’s status and may have been his “handler.”
The June 8, 2001 issue of the Times of London featured a revealing story about Strassmeir, in which the authors concluded that Strassmeir probably was an undercover operative. The Times reported: “The syringe that executes McVeigh will also drain Strassmeir of significance; giving him the status of a footnote.” In other words, it would eliminate the one person who could finger Strassmeir.
The newspaper noted Strassmeir can read Hebrew—Israel’s state language—as a consequence, it is said, of having had a girlfriend who served in the Israeli Army, “not exactly the typical choice of a neo-Nazi,” the Times added. In addition, the Times pointed out that when Strassmeir first arrived in the United States, he “found friends easily—retired Army officers, CIA veterans, history buffs—and became part of a network” which the Times said “is powerful in the U.S., a web of influence that stretches into the Pentagon and the federal agencies, in churches and boardrooms, on the oil rigs and building sites.” This is hardly the profile of your average “neo-Nazi extremist” but certainly that of an intelligence operative.
That the ADL and Morris Dees are adamant in discounting the involvement of a purported “neo-Nazi” in the Oklahoma City scenario raises the question: “Why?”
The only logical explanation is that Strassmeir was a “snitch” reporting back to federal intelligence agencies allied with the ADL—or that he was simply an ADL asset all along.
Kinda like trusting Doctors ?
TOO MANY DEATHS AND INJURIES FROM MEDICAL MALPRACTICE
http://www.jacksonwilson.com/pages/medmal-toomanydeaths.htm
NO ... Just the Neos
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It's not so much about Dees, although he deserves investigation, but about the "German"
I looked at this guy "The German" as a possible agent after he was arrested in Texas, I believe, with Top Secret documents in a brief case. Some big shots in our Gov. ordered his released, his car returned and the brief case returned, documents and all. That never happens unless your connected.
Carol Howe reported to Findley during the time she worked for the BATF.
Howe told Findley that Strassmeir was the ringleader in the plot to bomb the Oklahoma City federal building and that Millar was preaching twice a day to his flock that the group had to act by April 19, 1995, or they would end up like the Branch Davidians in Waco.
The arrest of Strassmeir was scrubbed after senior members of the BATF, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's office met in February, 1995 and discussed Findley's plan.
Sources have told the Gazette that Strassmeir was also an important source of intelligence for the U.S. government.
The author, Danny Hopsicker, is an Oregon-ensconced Black-Panthers lovin' far-left Berkelery-style hippy who claims his daddy was CIA in the same way the drunk at the corner bar brags about his imaginary tour of duty as a SEAL in Nam... all in an effort to attract a following of tinfoil-clad suckers.
This guy makes the Onion look like a credible source.
If Atta was associated with this program, it deserves further investigation. It would be helpful if this claim could be debunked with information. Any help would be appreciated.
The story quoted spokesmen for “Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft,” described as a “German international further education organisation,” as having admitted paying Hamburg cadre principal Atta as a “scholarship holder” and “tutor,” between 1995 and 1997.
But what makes the story curious is that the German paper concealed the shocking implications of their story, that Mohamed Atta had been on the payroll of a joint U.S.—German government program, through the simple expedient of neglecting to mention that the “Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft” was merely a private entity set up to administer the "exchange" initiative of the two governments.
The U.S. end of the program is run out of an address at United Nations Plaza in New York by CDS International. The letters stand for Carl Duisberg Society, also the name of its German counterpart in Cologne, the Carl Duisberg Gesellschaft. Both are named for Carl Duisberg, a German chemist and industrialist who headed the Bayer Corporation during the 1920’s.
The list of elite power brokers backing CDS International ranges from the aforementioned Kissinger and Rockefeller to former President Bill Clinton and other Democratic heavyweights like former First Lady Hillary Clinton and Clinton White House adviser Ira Magaziner.
Now, we must continue to build bridges between our two peoples. The Fulbright Program between Germany and the United States is the largest in the world. This fall the American Academy in Berlin will open, bringing our leading cultural figures here. We will be working hard to expand our support for the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange, which has already given more than 10,000 German and American students the chance to visit each other's countries. The next century of our cooperation for freedom has already begun in our classrooms. Let us give our young people the chance to build even stronger bridges for the future. (Applause.)
The Office also directs a number of major youth exchange programs, such as the Congress-Bundestag Youth Exchange, which links German and American young people. The New Independent States High School Exchange Initiative supports year-long and shorter term exchanges at the secondary-school level, as well as school-to-school linkages and programming for teachers in connection with the student exchanges.
Cultural programs administered by USIA are the responsibility of the Office of Citizen Exchanges. The Cultural Programs staff administers programs that increasingly emphasize creating long-term relationships among artists, institutions, and audiences -- stimulating networks that sustain themselves beyond diplomatic support. USIA's support for visual and performing arts programs overseas emphasizes the vitality, diversity, and excellence of American achievement.
PRINCIPAL ONE & TERROR
Mohammed Atta supports
Carl Duisberg society (CDG) does not only carry the names industrial union of the color founder father and former Bavarian boss Carl Duisberg, her also by BAVARIAN in the life was called. Still today Bavarian coworkers sit in the executive committee. The society offers exchange and advancement programs for students from all world. In the 90's also Mohammed Atta ranked among its scholarship holder, who steered one of the airplanes in the World trade center on 11 September. It did not only receive financial support, but led for the CDG also seminars, approximately about?Stadt and traffic planning in Cairo?.
As Tutor cares for students
Carl Duisberg according to society participated Atta among other things 1996 and 1997 in seminars in the hunting seat Glienicke with Berlin. In addition give it proving that it was in May 1995 in the brandenburgischen old person yard at the Werbellinsee. In the hunting seat he as Tutor student, who prepared for studies in North Africa, cared for Glienicke. The Islamic was inconspicuously and very reservedly, confirmed the spokeswoman of the society. Atta arose under the name Mohammed El-Amir.
The CDG is after own representation a mechanism for international further training and personnel development. However in the past year about 40,000 humans from all world would have participated in the programs. Beside Atta probably no other Islamics among the participants were, said the spokeswoman. "we do not assume. We gegengecheckt the names."
I don't know anything about the guy. Please see the link in #37.
He was 100% accurate on Atta's association with the United States Information Agency's Congress-Bundestag program.
On Atta:
The scholarship he won - from the Carl-Duisberg Society - was to help pay for the trip to Cairo which he made with Volker Hauth and Ralph Bodenstein.
It is of course possible that he received funding from terrorist sources as far back as 1992, when he went to Hamburg, but he didn't disappear from the University - in what most commentators believe may have been a period when he went to Afghanistan - for another five years; and this was some time after his study trip to Cairo. So, if there is any hard evidence that his education in Hamburg was funded by terrorists, it certainly isn't evident
F.A.Z. BERLIN. Mohammed Atta, one of the suspected terrorists in the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, was a fellow at the Carl-Duisberg Development Forum in 1995.
A spokeswoman of the non-profit Cologne-based organization on Wednesday confirmed that in 1995, Mr. Atta participated in seminars in several German cities, including Berlin. She said Mr. Atta, who was a student at a Hamburg university at the time, had been awarded a three-month fellowship for students and young professionals aiming to create interdisciplinary approaches to development studies.
Mr. Atta worked on a project titled "An investigation of city and traffic engineering to preserve the historical section of Cairo," she said. He returned in 1997 as a tutor and participated in four of the organization's weekend seminars, during which he taught North African geography.
The spokeswoman said it was unclear whether Mr. Atta attempted to recruit followers for potential terrorist acts during his fellowship, adding that authorities had started an investigation. All fellows at the Carl-Duisberg Development Forum have been included in computer-aided profiling searches, she said.Oct. 17, 2001
© Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung 2000
It is quite easy to make a statement like :It was reported within two or three weeks.
If you would go to google.com, search for a link to Atta and the Carl-Duisberg Society in a U.S. media outlet and then post it on this thread, your statement would have more credibility.Your help would be appreciated. I was unsccessful at my attempt. Good luck.
You knew all about Mohamed Atta recieving pay checks from the United States taxpayers and this was widely reported?
Please provide a source.
It appears the entire United States press corps somehow missed the Carl-Duisberg Society/USIA connection. I am not sure the statement above necessarily supports the point you are trying to make. It is more effective than the namecalling, however. A link to a U.S. news report on the Atta/ Carl-Duisberg Society connection would be more effective.
Hopsicker is not on this thread to answer the charge. However, unless you produce a source in a U.S. media outlet supporting your claim that an Atta-Carl-Duisberg Society connection was reported within two or three weeks,I would suggest your credibility is in more trouble than Hopsicker's on this thread. Good luck in your search.
How a shy, well-educated young Egyptian became a suspected ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks
When I wrote that reply, it was entirely from memory, and I did use the phrase as I recall. In fact, it wasn't three weeks, it was a whole five weeks.
Whether it was three weeks or five weeks after 9/11 is irrelevant. The point of my original post--which you seem bent on ignoring--was that this information had been reported a year and a friggin half ago, genius.
Oh, and before you scream hysterically that I'm not specifically naming "a U.S. media outlet" (though nowhere in my post did I limit myself to those), the information was noted in the American media, which gave it exactly the parenthetical attention it deserved.
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