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Setting the Record Straight On Allende, Once More
Wall Street Journal ^ | April 25, 2003 | MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY

Posted on 04/25/2003 8:39:19 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:48:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

At 8:10 a.m. on Sept. 11, 1973 Chilean President Salvador Allende made a radio announcement that the Chilean navy had "isolated" the port city of Valparaíso against his command. Within a half-hour there came another broadcast, this one from inside the defense ministry building in Santiago but not from inside the government. It instructed Mr. Allende to hand over his office to Chile's Armed Forces and National Police which, it said were "united" to liberate the country.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allende; chile; communism; coup; dictators; latinamerica; latinamericalist; pinochet; powell
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To: Mister Magoo
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51 posted on 07/01/2003 2:36:07 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Mister Magoo
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52 posted on 08/21/2003 3:50:19 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: BlueLancer
Franco? I did not believe that fascism was conservative value. Perhaps you are on wrong site.
53 posted on 09/11/2003 6:42:18 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: B-Chan
A marriage of convenience between the Syndicalists of JONS and the Carlist-Integrists of the Requétes, both of which groups played vital roles in defeating the Stalinoids.

All good except "Stalinoids" did not come into until after Franco start revolution. It is like blaming start of American Revolution on Hessians.

54 posted on 09/11/2003 6:44:32 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: B-Chan
Franco despised Hitler.

Yes, in 1945 Franco woke up one morning and decided he had hated Hitler all time. Hatred here is so obvious.


55 posted on 09/11/2003 6:47:42 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: Alter Kaker
“It is fashionable at the present time to dwell on the vices of General Franco and I am glad therefore to place on record this testimony to the duplicity of his dealings with Hitler... I shall presently record even greater services which... General Franco rendered to the Allied cause.”
-- Winston Churchill, writing in The Second World War, Volume II.

“However general history may judge him, in Jewish history, [Franco] shall certainly occupy a special place... Jews should honor and bless the memory of this great benefactor of the Jewish people...who neither sought nor reaped any benefit from what he did.”
--From a four page obituary in The American Sephardi Journal of the Sephardic Studies Program of Yeshiva University, volume IX, 1978.

James Michener in Iberia, 1968, page 547: "...Generalissimo Franco is highly regarded by Jews; during the worst days of World War II, when pressures from Hitler were at their heaviest, Franco refused to issue anti-Jewish edicts and instead provided a sanctuary, never violated, for Jews who managed to make it to Spain. Many thousands of Jews owe their lives to Franco, and this is not forgotten."

In Resolutions of the War Emergency Conference of the World Jewish Congress, Atlantic City, New Jersey, November 26-30, 1944, page 15: "The War Emergency Conference extends its gratitude to the Holy See and to the Governments of Sweden, Switzerland, and [Francoist] Spain... for the protection they offered under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews of Hungary..."

In The Congressional Record of January 24, 1950, Rep. Abraham Multer quotes a spokesman for the Joint Distribution Committee: “During the height of Hitler's blood baths, upwards of 60,000 Jews had been saved by the generosity of Spanish authorities.

Newsweek, March 2, 1970: "...a respected U.S. rabbi has come forward with surprising evidence that tens of thousands of Jews were saved from Nazi ovens by the personal intervention of an unlikely protector. Spain's Generalissimo Franco, in so many other respects a wartime collaborator of Adolf Hitler. "I have absolute proof that Franco saved more than 60,000 Jews during World War II," says Rabbi Chaim Lipscitz of Brooklyn's Torah Vodaath and Mesitva rabbinical seminary.

“[Franco], just out of the Spanish Civil War, had no intention of entering another, greater war on either side, and... by setting an unreachable price for Hitler to pay for his cooperation with the Caudillo was "buying peace with words," tightrope walking between two swords, hoping for the entire conflict to go away without any involvement. Despite the Civil War debt to Hitler, Franco resisted the Führer's threats and cajolery and did not permit the Wehrmacht to enter Spain, carry out Hitler's plan to close the Mediterranean to British shipping and consequently force the end of World War II in 1940 before the United States could be ready to enter. The real events depicted in this narrative did occur and this one man's actions, although entirely self serving on behalf of Spain, may well have tipped the balance of World War II in favor of the allies.”
-- Stanley G. Payne, Hilldale-Jaume Vicens Vives Professor of History, University of Wisconsin-Madison

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For an A.K. you seem to have a poor grasp of history. I could post hundreds of photos showing various world leaders greeting each other warmly. Such greetings mean nothing; I recall Leonid Brezhnev being kissed on the mouth by Erich Honecker of the DDR once -- did that mean they were in love?

One photograph does not make a case. The historical evidence is clear: Generalissimo Franco and Adolf Hitler shared neither common aims nor affection, and to imply otherwise is to impugn the memory of the man who saved Spain from the communist nightmare.

56 posted on 09/11/2003 8:39:47 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Alter Kaker
"Franco? I did not believe that fascism was conservative value. Perhaps you are on wrong site."

I doubt it, newbie ... let's just say you need to learn a little bit more history and pay less attention to popular socialist literature and media.

57 posted on 09/12/2003 4:58:41 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: Egregious Philbin
Chile is the true success story of South America -- this is Pinochets' true legacy. He actually tried the economics that Milton Friedman expoused.

Living here, I can unequivocally state that if Allende had stayed in power, the Communists would STILL BE HERE. Chile is very much like an island, so the parallels with Cuba are very strong.

Pinochet was no saint, and he overstayed his welcome. If he had left power after 5 or 10 years, he would be wildly popular today (as opposed to just wildly popular with a significant fraction of the population)...

He did, however, leave power without a fight, albeit reluctantly -- Castro and Chavez are the real dictators, and they will never leave power on their own.

58 posted on 09/12/2003 5:15:52 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: B-Chan
Exactly. True fascism is socialism merged with nationalism, and Franco was only mildly socialist by todays standards. Pinochet did, however, use Franco as a practical model on how to govern, and in the end ceded power on his own, which Franco also did.

Franco was way too smart to be Hitler's lapdog and his navigating Spain through WWII without joining sides was nothing short of brilliant. He probably disdained Hitler rather than "hate" him though...

59 posted on 09/12/2003 5:24:14 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Allan
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60 posted on 09/12/2003 5:26:18 AM PDT by Allan
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To: headsonpikes
I just finished reading Orwell's Homage to Catalonia and recommend to anyone interested in the Spanish civil war.
61 posted on 09/12/2003 5:37:04 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Alter Kaker; BlueLancer; curmudgeonII; B-Chan
I did not believe that fascism was conservative value.
Perhaps you are on wrong site.

Ah, that word 'Fascist'!
"X was a Fascist."
Argument over

Standard leftist technique.

Perhaps you are on the wrong site.

62 posted on 09/12/2003 5:41:15 AM PDT by Allan
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To: chilepepper
My friends here in Chile are always telling me that were it not for Pinochet, Chile would be another third-world crap hole with a wrecked economy like all of its neighbors. The biggest grief I get about Pinochet is from North Americans and Europeans that I work with.
63 posted on 09/12/2003 5:42:45 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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64 posted on 09/12/2003 6:07:16 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Cuttnhorse
'Homage to Catalonia'

One of the great books of the 20th Century!
65 posted on 09/12/2003 6:35:44 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: TheWillardHotel
Hear, hear!
66 posted on 09/12/2003 9:02:37 AM PDT by Mmmike
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