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Recent MoveOn.org letter to members
MoveOn.org | 4/25/03 | rocky88

Posted on 04/25/2003 10:45:00 AM PDT by rocky88

An annoying liberal co-worker emailed this to me, saying "Have a Nice Day!" GRRRRR! Luckily, I was able to scroll through past FR threads regarding MoveOn.org and fire back my ammunition about this organization and what the so-called "peace movement" really consists of!


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004election; antibush; bushbashing; iraqifreedom; lovedclintonswars; moronorg; moveon; notapeacemovement; prodictator; prosaddam; saddamites; socialists
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Friends,

I thought you'd like to see this. MoveOn.org is starting to get a campaign organized to defeat Bush and the Republicans in 2004. The Republicans are already well under way in their re-election effort, we need to get started too.

Read their email below and consider signing on to the campaign.

To sign up, click here:

http://www.moveon.org/pac/newpres/

MoveOn will keep you updated when opportunities for action come up.

Dear MoveOn Member,

The war in Iraq is over; the U.S. occupation of Iraq has now begun. In an unnecessary war, victory is never sweet: American soldiers, Iraqi civilians, and Iraqi soldiers lost their lives in a conflict that never should have happened. That's not victory, that's tragedy.

The hawks in the Bush Administration see this as a vindication of their belligerent world view. Never mind that we haven't found any weapons of mass destruction; never mind that Iraqi democracy (or even security) is nowhere in sight. The hotter heads have prevailed: pre- emptive unilateralism is now the official policy of the U.S.. Vice President Cheney, Secretary Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Perle are now thinking even bigger about the "projection of American power." In the chilling words of a senior official close to the Bush administration, "Anyone can go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran."

Folks, we just have to stop this madness, and there's really only one way to do that: We need to throw these bums out. The good news is that over the last few months, we've built a base that just may be large enough to succeed. MoveOn's total membership is now over 1.3 million. We've taken out ads, written letters, delivered mountains of petition signatures, and taken action in hundreds of cities. And now we need to turn our attention toward one goal: regime change in the USA, the best way to repudiate Bush's policy of war.

Are you in? If you're willing to help show Bush the door in 2004, just click below. We'll count you among the participants in this next phase of the peace movement.

http://www.moveon.org/pac/newpres

We'll throw out Bush and the Republicans using every means available: by registering a wave of new voters, by organizing to make sure they get to the polls on election day, by raising enough money to compete with the President's mountain of special interest money, and by volunteering for political campaigns. We'll make it easy for you to play a part.

President Bush believes he doesn't have to listen to the American public -- which, even during war, has overwhelmingly been skeptical or strongly resistant to the idea of an American empire. He has decided that his faith in the military takes precedence over his faith in democracy. The election in 2004 is our chance to take our democracy back.

Polls show overwhelmingly that American's do not trust President Bush to revive the failing economy. They're just as concerned with the Administration's assault on civil rights, civil liberties and the environment. Last week in New Orleans, Presidential Advisor Karl Rove said that this will be a "close, competitive" race. If all of us get involved, it won't just be tight. We'll win.

And that will go down in history. It will demonstrate that we mean what we say -- that we have the passion and the commitment to see our approach to foreign policy through. It will demonstrate that politicians who seek to curry favor through belligerence face political consequences, and that those who advocate a reasonable, multilateral foreign policy will be rewarded. And it will set the stage for an American policy that leads the world into a cooperative and safe future.

Let's elect a new President in 2004, and put an end to the politics of unnecessary war.

Sincerely,

Carrie, Eli, Joan, Peter, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn Team

IS IT ME OR ARE THEY GETTING MORE DESPERATE AS TIME GOES ON? I need help from FReepers in pointing out any RED ties of MoveOn.org so I can further iritate my liberal colleague.... any help out there? Thanks.

1 posted on 04/25/2003 10:45:00 AM PDT by rocky88
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To: rocky88
put an end to the politics of unnecessary war.

Why don't they just move on?

2 posted on 04/25/2003 10:46:28 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: rocky88
"President Bush believes he doesn't have to listen to the American public -- which, even during war, has overwhelmingly been skeptical or strongly resistant to the idea of an American empire"

Just reply to this with even the most liberal poll numbers.
3 posted on 04/25/2003 10:46:47 AM PDT by ican'tbelieveit
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To: AppyPappy
LOL.
4 posted on 04/25/2003 10:46:56 AM PDT by Registered (RIP Baghdad Bob)
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To: rocky88
Your coworker is a total dumbass. Tell him/her not to send this inflammatory crap or you will report him the the supervisor for abuse of the e-mail.
5 posted on 04/25/2003 10:50:15 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: rocky88
We'll throw out Bush and the Republicans using every means available: by registering a wave of new voters, by organizing to make sure they get to the polls on election day, by raising enough money to compete with the President's mountain of special interest money, by volunteering for political campaigns, and by our favorite means, vote fraud.
6 posted on 04/25/2003 10:51:57 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: rocky88
So tell us about the "ammunition" you used against move-on.
7 posted on 04/25/2003 10:52:02 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: rocky88
May I suggest they vote a straight Green Party ticket. Edwards voted for the war. Lurch support the resolution. Gephart. Liberman, etc. That leaves Dean, Mosley-Braun, and OUR MAN CRAZY AL.

How abour a Nader / Sharpton ticket?
8 posted on 04/25/2003 10:52:46 AM PDT by schaketo (Democrats $uck)
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To: rocky88
we used to have a girl here that received these emails....this all started with the impeachment hearings, then they moved on to the 2000 elections, then the 2002 elections (all their candidates lost), then the war. I don't think they have "won" any of their causes...but people still send their dollars to them. A group of ex-notcommers still shilling people out of their money.
9 posted on 04/25/2003 10:52:51 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: AppyPappy
Why don't they just move on?

Good line!

It should be painfully obvious about something else that every conservative has been saying; These are not Peace Rallies, they are Anti-Bush Rallys. Way to prove us right YET AGAIN, MoveOn.

10 posted on 04/25/2003 10:54:48 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA ("As long as it takes...No. That's the answer to your question. As long as it takes." GWB)
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To: rocky88
We'll throw out Bush and the Republicans using every means available: by registering a wave of new voters,...

Apparently, they believe that newly registered voters will vote for Democrats. I wonder why...

Or, they believe they need new voters, because the old ones probably won't vote right.

11 posted on 04/25/2003 10:55:29 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: rocky88
to defeat Bush and the Republicans

Gee, I thought all they ever wanted to do from their founding was "censure and move on." Silly me.

12 posted on 04/25/2003 10:55:33 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: rocky88
Reserve a few moment of your time to find your friend
and slap some sense into his emty head.
13 posted on 04/25/2003 10:57:10 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: AppyPappy
It would be nice to ask them what they propose to do about the Iranian nuke program. I doubt that they are able to effectively deal with much less recognize the complexities of the real world. Their "international campaign's director" is 22 years old. That tells you something.

I remember when they started up when Clinton was on the coals. They wanted to Move On, but they that they would diligently campaign to defeat any congressman who voted for impeachment. THus, they wanted to Move On when it suited their purposes, and NOT move on when it suited their purposes. Reminds me of my 5 year old. My contempt for these people knows no limits.
14 posted on 04/25/2003 10:58:50 AM PDT by againstallhope
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To: AppyPappy
Why don't they just move on?

They should change their name to irrelevant.org.

I wonder if they realize half their membership is freepers with fake names and email addresses.

15 posted on 04/25/2003 11:00:25 AM PDT by jellybean
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To: rocky88
bump
16 posted on 04/25/2003 11:00:26 AM PDT by grumple
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To: rocky88
You should forward this email to your personnel Dept. with a note asking them to stop this harassment as it upsets you and distracts you from your work.
17 posted on 04/25/2003 11:01:03 AM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: rocky88
Look up moveon in the Free Republic search. Do an archive search.

They are a totally ineffectual waste of liberal money, time, and newsprint.

18 posted on 04/25/2003 11:08:08 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: rocky88
Carrie, Eli, Joan, Peter, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn Team

Ask your friend why she'd be willing to send money to a guy named Zack Exley.

19 posted on 04/25/2003 11:08:38 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: rocky88
; never mind that Iraqi democracy (or even security) is nowhere in sight.

Yeah! It's been a whole ***checks cheap watch*** 3 hours since we liberated Baghdad! If it hasnt been done yesterday, it aint never gonna happen!

20 posted on 04/25/2003 11:09:24 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: rocky88
"Moveon" got it's name from the mantra of the DimoCrite rapist-apologists during Slick's impeachment.

While most of the nation remembers 9/11, these twits have yet to "moveon" from Florida, 2000.

21 posted on 04/25/2003 11:17:05 AM PDT by pollwatcher
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To: AppyPappy
I agree, why doesn't moveon.org just move on! After all it's not 1969 any more.
22 posted on 04/25/2003 11:18:35 AM PDT by Ptaz
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To: jellybean
"I wonder if they realize half their membership is freepers with fake names and email addresses."


Shhhhh!
23 posted on 04/25/2003 11:19:05 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberate Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, NK, Cuba...; Support the Troops!)
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To: rocky88
I would just laugh, loudly and heartily, laugh until the tears ran down my face, then tell everyone "Hey! I just got an email about this MoveOn organization to defeat President Bush! MOVE ON! Can you believe it! This from the people who after three years STILL can't let go of Florida 2000, who don't know what move on even means, and when they talk about the war in Iraq, keep bringing up 30-year old stuff. MOVE ON! Get it? Hysterical!!!" Dissolve into more gales and whoops of laughter, or if that would be too distracting in the workplace, giggle helplessly. THEN ask your HR people about whether people are supposed to be passing out political or religious tracts at work.

In my experience, most knee-jerk Libs who buy into this stuff HATE to be laughed at. It punctures their sense of superiority.
24 posted on 04/25/2003 11:20:03 AM PDT by alwaysconservative ("All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: presidio9
The main ammunition I used was information obtained through the efforts of the Citizens for Fair and Balanced Funding (CFBF) Committee here on Free Republic, which I found on a past thread. GREAT STUFF, posted below.

Plus, some other excerpts from a past thread about MoveOn.org's praise of Sen. Robert Byrd (former KKK) calling him "one of the most respected US Senators" and urging how all Americans should "take his words to heart" (I knew that one would sting my diversity-loving co-worker big time!)

And, one more thing about how they've raised so little money that they were only able to donate a paltry $285 to the late Senator Wellstone's campaign in 2002, after MoveOn.org had bragged that they'd raised millions.



Here is the CFBF info, thanks to FR (it's quite lengthy):

Exposing the Anti-War Movement, Part I: MoveOn.org (You Don't Know Jack!)
by David Ware

NOTE: The following information was obtained through the efforts of the Citizens for Fair and Balanced Funding (CFBF) Committee here on Free Republic. Though the goal of CFBF is to provide research into the activities of the anti-war groups & their funders, the following presents compelling evidence that the Leftist Extremists in America are using the war effort as a front for an all out war against President Bush and the Conservative movement which is sweeping America today. If you would like to support the efforts of CFBF, please email David Ware (warehouse@gvii.net).

Ever played the smash hit game, "You Don't Know Jack!"? Chances are, if you paid to play an early version of the game, you unknowingly & ultimately supported the anti-war effort. The popular game, first introduced online and then made available offline, was created by a company called Berkeley Systems. The company also well known for their creation of the "After Dark" screensavers, and the lovable 'flying toasters'. What does this have to do with the anti-war movement?

Former Berkeley Systems owners, husband & wife team of Wes Boyd and Joan Blades are now known for the success of their latest venture, a "flash campaign" called MoveOn.org. MoveOn.org is one of the leading supporters of the anti-war movement in America today.

A Brief History
MoveOn.org, originally known as 'Censure and Move On', was started in 1998 by Boyd & Blades in response to the Impeachment efforts of former President Clinton. They started the website just about a year after selling their Berkeley Systems company to CUC International, and used it as the basis to gather signatures to petition politicians to simply censure Clinton for his mesdeeds, and 'move on' with the business of the people.
The Move On campaign became mildly successful, boasting several thousand signatures from around the Nation within a short period of time. Altogether, the group managed around 300,000 signatures worldwide.

The Rest of the Story
When the Senate failed to Impeach Clinton, the MoveOn.org campaign focused their efforts on getting Democrats elected to office by forming the MoveOn PAC (moveonpac.org). Despite the fact that the PAC donated millions to Democrat candidates nationwide, the effort proved fruitless when Republicans began making gains and ultimately took over control of both the House & Senate in 2002.
Despite the setback for the PAC, the MoveOn.org campaign capitalized on the deaths of thousands of Americans on Sept. 11, 2001. Instead of taking the time to mourn those that had been lost in the terrorist attacks, the group immediately began another petition, this time to ask members of congress and President Bush to avoid a rush to war against terrorism. With the latest effort, the group began seeing more financial support from various 'socially progressive' organizations & non-profit funding groups.
MoveOn.org, though not a registered non-profit, is now able to offer their private contributors tax-deductible benefits when they make their donation through the San Francisco Foundation Community Initiative Fund (a non-profit, 501(c)3 organization). Other organizations providing financial support include the Iraq Peace fund ($20,000 grant - an effort of the "Tides Foundation", tidesfoundation.org), and a grant of $100,000 in 2002 from the Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund. Coincidentally, the Goldman Fund also provided the now irrelevant Million Mom March with a $4.3 million grant in 1999.

The Anti-Bush Agenda Revealed
Here's where it gets interesting. With the substantial increase in funds, the group began hiring folks to run the show. Their choices reveal an undeniable fact: the organization couldn't care less about working for peace - the ragtag group of leftist activists are more interesting in bashing the Bush administration in any way they can.
For example, the group hired on Zach Exley, who is well known in leftist extremist activism for his Bush-bashing website, GWBush.com. The site was begun during the 2000 election cycle as a parody against the Republican candidate & then-Texas Governor. In 1999, the Bush campaign unsuccessfully tried to shut down the site by filing a complaint with the FEC. The complaint alleged that Exley violated the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 by failiing to register with the FEC, and for expending or receiving funds for his online campaign.
To further demonstrate Exley's passionate disdain of the Bush administration, he also organized CounterCoup.com, "To question the legitimacy of a Bush presidency, due to disenfranchisement and disregard for the will of the people". The domain is now defunct, but the website is still viewable at www.geocities.com/countercoup/
Another Bush hater also joined the ranks as a Senior Consultant/Political Director - John Hlinko. Hlinko began justsayblow.com (also known as Students for a drug free White House) when he realized Bush was going to get tough on drug-using students who received student loans & grants. The provision Hlinko was protesting was a 1998 provision requiring prospective students to answer questions about their drug use history on applications for federal funding. Hlinko found out about the provision when he himself was applying for aid to gain an undergrad degree. Though largely ingorned by the Clinton administration, Bush promised to make sure it was enforced. Hlinko refused to answer the question.

In addition, Hlinko also began a petition drive that delivered 6,000 signatures to TV Executives in support of Bill Maher after Maher made his mis-statements about terrorists having courage after the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center. Once again, the activist revealed the willing disregard and lack of respect for the victims of the attacks by capitaliziing on the deaths of Americans for political purposes.

Research on this, and many other organizations and individuals involved in the anti-war movement quickly reveal they are not interested in peace at all, but instead use their political soapboxes to chip away at the Bush Administration's policies against Iraq, the economy, and every other issue they can get their grubby little paws on.



25 posted on 04/25/2003 11:20:51 AM PDT by rocky88
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To: alwaysconservative
LMAO! I'm going to do that NOW!
26 posted on 04/25/2003 11:22:44 AM PDT by rocky88
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To: rocky88
We'll throw out Bush and the Republicans using every means available: by registering a wave of new voters,

You can start with the Iraqis.

27 posted on 04/25/2003 11:23:02 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: rocky88
Yeah, it's fairly satisfying to see that these knuckleheads - no longer able to hide behind their faux protests of the war - are unmasked for what they really are. Who wants to bet the Dem candidates in 2004 are less than enthusiastic to receive this group's support.
28 posted on 04/25/2003 11:24:40 AM PDT by SHKMAN1212
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To: rocky88
Why can't everyone just pass the problem on to their children, like dems do?
29 posted on 04/25/2003 11:25:07 AM PDT by js1138
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To: rocky88
Is (don't) Move On (unless it's a democrat) a 501-C-3 non profit?
30 posted on 04/25/2003 11:27:05 AM PDT by Bob J (Freerepublic.net...where it's always a happening....)
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To: rocky88
You'll never go broke, underestimating the intelligence of a Liberal.
31 posted on 04/25/2003 11:27:39 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Liberalism is a mental disease))))
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"Your coworker is a total dumbass. Tell him/her not to send this inflammatory crap or you will report him the the supervisor for abuse of the e-mail."

NO, guys n' gals, don't resort to that Crybaby Liberal Victimology stuff.

Instead, OUTWIT, OUTMANUEVER or, more simply, USE THE TRUTH!

32 posted on 04/25/2003 11:28:04 AM PDT by pollwatcher
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To: AppyPappy
Hehehe. They should consider changing their name to "DontMoveOn.com" for the next 10 years since all they care about is who is in power rather than policy or national security. Once a traitorous scoundrel is back in power then they can revert back to "MoveOnNothingHereToSeeFolks.com"
33 posted on 04/25/2003 11:29:01 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: rocky88
When the Senate failed to Impeach Clinton,

Small error here, I think -- someone correct me if I'm wrong. The House of Representatives did impeach Clinton. The Senate failed to convict him.

34 posted on 04/25/2003 11:29:57 AM PDT by Celtjew Libertarian
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To: pollwatcher
First, liberals are immune to logic and truth or they would not be liberals. I say urinate in his coffe cup.
35 posted on 04/25/2003 11:30:12 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: lowbridge
EXCELLENT rebuttal!
36 posted on 04/25/2003 11:32:43 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Bob J
Good point...I wonder if this e-mail bashing Bush by name violates the Campaign Finance Reform law...
37 posted on 04/25/2003 11:35:15 AM PDT by SHKMAN1212
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To: rocky88
I thought that Moron.org founded to preach "Censure, Not Impeachment". They dropped all push for censure once their blessed Bubba Clinton was safe in office.

They are partisan wonks (and socialists to boot).

Are they a 501c3 organization? They could lose their tax-free status for seeking the defeat of President Bush in 2004. 501c3 charities can no more push for the election of defeat of a specific candidate than a church could.

38 posted on 04/25/2003 11:42:32 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: rocky88
In the chilling words of a senior official close to the Bush administration, "Anyone can go to Baghdad. Real men go to Tehran."

Great way to get in a madeup quote. Hey, we can do that too...

In the chilling words of a senior official close to MoveOn.org, "Stalin was by far the greatest man of the 20th Century. Hitler was OK, but he didn't kill enough people."

39 posted on 04/25/2003 11:44:22 AM PDT by Aegedius
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To: rocky88
I'm going to be making a 2004 website with other freepers, one of whom is a web designer. It's still classified but it will be very cool!
40 posted on 04/25/2003 11:44:55 AM PDT by katherineisgreat
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To: alwaysconservative
THEN ask your HR people about whether people are supposed to be passing out political or religious tracts at work.

What's more, the employee said that his coworker mailed this propaganda to him specifically because he knew that it would stir him up. Sounds like harassment and persecution to me.

41 posted on 04/25/2003 11:47:45 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: rocky88
put an end to the politics of unnecessary war

This sentence is a perfect example of the way liberals must communicate to support their agendas.  It's so complex as to almost render itself without meaning.

I mean, stop and think for a minute: how many directions you can take each part of that snippet?

It's only through this type of obfuscatory communication that liberals are able to hide the lack of moral or ethical foundation for many of their positions on issues: there's a feeling behind that phrase, but it's almost impossible to analyze that phrase and reach a moral semi-absolute conclusion. (I only say "semi-absolute" because, I don't believe humans can achieve or fully understand a morally absolute state.  We are fallible.)

While being conservative doesn't make people wise; I've never met a leftist in whom I thought wisdom resided.

 

 

42 posted on 04/25/2003 11:48:53 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: rocky88
They started the website just about a year after selling their Berkeley Systems company to CUC International, and used it as the basis to gather signatures to petition politicians to simply censure Clinton for his mesdeeds, and 'move on' with the business of the people.

Sounds like they got out of the tech industry just before the crash and into the agitprop industry just before the uptick.

43 posted on 04/25/2003 11:49:46 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: SHKMAN1212
I wonder if this e-mail bashing Bush by name violates the Campaign Finance Reform law...

It certainly perpetuates the politics of personal destruction.

44 posted on 04/25/2003 11:51:02 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: schaketo
There's one rabid antisemite Democrat contender for the President you didn't mention, Lyndon LaRouche is again running for the DNC nomination.
45 posted on 04/25/2003 11:52:53 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: pollwatcher
"Instead, OUTWIT, OUTMANUEVER or, more simply, USE THE TRUTH!"

Thanks to FR we have the truth!


46 posted on 04/25/2003 11:59:09 AM PDT by rocky88
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To: rocky88
I think it's time for MoveOn.org members to put the bong down.
47 posted on 04/25/2003 12:00:37 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Bob J
Contributions to MoveOn.org are not tax deductible because they will be used to influence legislation.

They are a Political Action Committee. How will the campaign finance reform laws affect them?

Censure and Move On was a bipartisan group of concerned citizens organizing around a single cause: reaching closure on the Clinton scandal. The vast majority of the American public understood that a continuing obsession with scandal will do great damage to our institutions, our economy, and our power and prestige in the world.
So letting a sitting president violate the law is okay because he is a democrat. The left doesn't care what happens to US prestige/power (especially the aid and comfort it gave Saddam and the arab street) or the economy now that a Republican is in office (actually I take that back, they do care, they want to see our image and ecomony suffer so they can come in on a white horse and "save" us).
48 posted on 04/25/2003 12:07:06 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: rocky88

49 posted on 04/25/2003 12:16:41 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
What did Bubba's Iraq bombing scampaign in Dec 1998 do except to maybe sway a few fence sitting senators during impeachement? I think that Clinton authorized a surprise bombing attack on a Wednesday and the vote for impeachment was on Saturday.

These leftists are doublespeaking frauds.

50 posted on 04/25/2003 12:19:46 PM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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