Hate crime probe at UCLA after Muslim prayer mats defiled

SFGate.Com/AP ^ | Thursday, April 24, 2003 | Unattributed

[RedsHunter]

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Police at the University of California, Los Angeles, opened a hate-crime investigation after Muslim prayer mats at its medical center chapel were smeared with a liquid marked as pork blood.

University police received a report about noon Saturday that the prayer mats were defiled, said Nancy Greenstein, a spokeswoman for the University of California Police Department.

[RedsHunter]

And if it's not pork blood, is it still a "hate crime?"

[Paul Atreides]

I wonder if someone had desecrated a Christian symbol, at a Christian, would it be a hate crime?

[Paul Atreides]

but appeared to be pork blood that can be bought at grocery stores

I've never heard of that before. What do people do with pork blood?

[jim35]

No, because Christians are, like white heterosexual males, a group that can be spit upon with impunity. I want to puke, every time I hear the term "hate crime." The university police have made this a priority? What a joke.

[jim35]

Pork blood is great for gravies, sauces, etc. I wouldn't recommend drinking it straight!

[wideawake]

You can make your own black pudding - I believe there is a Mexican version of the dish as well.

[kaylar]

Nah. That would have been a 'work of art' or 'street theater', and the perp would have wound up with a grant from the NEA.

Who wants to bet this is another staged 'hate crime' , meant to bludgeon critics of Islam into silence? I'll also bet that the next report on this incident will specify that criticism of Islam incited this crime.

[Salman]

I wonder if someone had desecrated a Christian symbol, at a Christian, would it be a hate crime?

It would be "art".

[Paul Atreides]

Wow. Learn something new every day.

[wideawake]

Black Pudding From Scratch

Yield: 6 servings

Ingredients
1 1/4 qt Fresh pig's blood
8 7/8 oz Bread cut into cubes
1 1/4 qt Skim milk
1 lb Cooked barley
1 lb Fresh beef suet
8 oz Fine oatmeal
1 ts Salt
2 ts Ground black pepper
2 ts Dried and crumbled mint

Instructions 1. Put the bread cubes to soak in the milk in a warm oven. Do not heat the milk beyond blood temperature! Have the blood ready in a large bowl, and pour the warm milk and bread into it. Stir in the cooked barley. Grate the beef suet into the mixture and stir it up with the oatmeal. Season with the salt, pepper and mint.

2. Have ready 2 or three large roasting pans. Divide the mixture between them - they should not be more than 3/4 full. Bake in a moderate oven -- 350 F - for about an hour or until the pudding is well cooked through. This makes a beautifully light pudding which will keep well in a cold larder.

3. Cut into squared and fry till heated through and the outside is crisp, in bacon fat or butter. Delicious for breakfast, or for supper with fried apples and mashed potato.

[Geezerette]

I think the Polish call their blood soup, "Charnina". I asked a Polish co-worker about that, and she said they also eat blood sausage. Wow.

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[Paul Atreides]

That brings something to mind: it would be interesting (though I know the outcome) to find an artist brave enough to create a work of art that is highly offensive to the Muslim faith. I know what the reaction of practicing Muslims would be, but I would just love to hear the art department/art community weasel out of displaying it.

[tet68]

Yep, I like the "Instant" pork blood though, it's fast and easy.
The nonfat PB "Lite" just doesn't have the same porcine flavor.
It's good in the summer time over ice though.

Available at fine Abbattoirs everywhere.

[ArcLight]

Glad some of you think this was cute. Me, I think it's disgusting and they should put the person who did it under the jail. Not that they'll have to--there are lots of Muslim converts in prison that'll have a real interesting chat with this lad...

[Sir Gawain]

How about a statue/carving/painting of Mohammed having sex with a little boy?

[Paul Atreides]

Point out where anyone said that it was cute.

[LanPB01]

You'd have to find an artist that was tired of living. Remember what happened to Salman Rushdie?

[lawdude]

"What do people do with pork blood?"

Give Gerald Nadler an enema!

[tet68]

Flippant perhaps, the truth of the matter is yet to be known.

[Paul Atreides]

I would classify it as more of pointing out the double-standard of hate crimes. If that is cute or flippant, so be it.

[LanPB01]

There have been no messages supporting this act. What there has been is a reaction from people who know that "hate crimes" only apply to classes the liberals deem worthy.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Muslims are only allowed to touch the blood of innocent non-Muslim humans, they personally, have slain.

[mountaineer]

they should put the person who did it under the jail.

Under the jail? One would think being in jail would be unpleasant enough.

[ArcLight]

Spare me the sophistry. Nobody's used the word "cute." But you know exactly what I mean. The flippant, dismissive attitude is disgraceful. Remember when those barbarians from ACT UP defiled a Catholic Mass in New York? I feel the same way when I read this. And so should any decent person.

[ImpotentRage]

Silly! Of course not!!

[Mr.Atos]

Who wants to bet this is another staged 'hate crime'

This was my first thought. It doesn't seem like an act of bigotry, but rather the 'performance' of an act of bigotry... by a perpetrator who has a flawed image of the kind of person that would do something like that; like the church burnings. Its sounds complex (almost Sicilian ...aka. Princess Bride), but stick with me. The staging of the 'pork blood' container is like a kid trying to get his brother in trouble... steal the cookies and leave a note saying 'brother did this.' Why would one leave a marked container when the act of desecration didn't require an explanantion?

Remember the staging of Lynx hairs in Northwest forests to enact land use restrictions based on endangered species regulations? Similar??

[Paul Atreides]

Was that action by ACT UP treated as a hate crime? If someone on that campus had left a defiled cross or Bible at the dormitory of a fundamentalist Christian, do you honestly think it would be treated as a hate crime?

[johnb838]

I think it's cute.

[amused]

That's really uncalled for.

And since I don't support the idea of hate crimes, what would be the applicable charge? Vandalism?

[wideawake]

My theory is that this is a little self-persecution by Muslims to stir things up - a tactic which has worked famously for members of various protected classes in the past.

[varon]

What do people do with pork blood?

It is one of the best yet least known remedies for a hang-over ;-)

[Mr.Atos]

What do people do with pork blood?

... and a potent aphrodesiac, I'm told.

[The KG9 Kid]

"... And if it's not pork blood, is it still a "hate crime?"

No, that means these Muslims did it themselves.

If it is pork blood, then ArcLight is correct.

[TheAbbodad]

Perhaps there is a large group of pig vampires in the Los Strangeles area?

[Ax]

4. Have both cellphone and landline preprogrammed with 9-1-1 close at hand. What you have here is a recipe for a major myocardial infarction.

[kaylar]

Why would one leave a marked container when the act of desecration didn't require an explanantion?

Good point. Simply desecrating the prayer mat with blood of any kind, even fake blood, would have got the message across.I remember an antiblack hate crime at a university here in the US...I wish I could remember which college, or at least which state, or the year (think it was 2000 or 2001). Anyway, the note was bizarre...It sounded like it was written by a cartoon KKK member-but it used rap slang in at least two places! Now, that could mean a young racist white kid, who is not immune to the influence rap has had on the culture....Or it could mean a young black kid trying to frame "white folks" for his own misdeeds or for attention. Don't think that case was ever resolved. I wish the perp in this case had left a note, it's analysis might have been illuminating.

[NativeNewYorker]

5'll get you 10 this is a self-administered PR trick.

[Mr.Atos]

"... And if it's not pork blood, is it still a "hate crime?"

Ahh... now there's something interesting. It it is not pig's blood, but was still done by bigots, is it not still a crime, based on the fact that it was committed of an emotion of hate?... regardless of whether or not it was a true act of desecration.

And if it WAS a performance, by someone wishing to create the notion that 'hateful' bigots are roaming campus with squirt-guns full of pig's blood looking for Muslims, then even if it was truly pig's blood it would not be a hate crime... because there was no real emotion of 'hate' involved.

Do you see the creepy aspect of 'hate' crimes? Under the definition of those advocating 'thought' policing, a Leftists can never be convicted of a 'hate' crime because there own motives are never considered to be hateful - reciprocal, just, impassioned, good-intentioned - but never hateful. Putting condoms in a church offering plate? That's a ideological statement protected by the First Amendment... right?

[Mark17]

I wonder if someone had desecrated a Christian symbol, at a Christian, would it be a hate crime?

I think you and I both know the answer to that question.

[Russell Scott]

I won't hold my breath wating for them to report that the whole incident was staged to gain sympathy for Islam, whos greatest attribute is its ability to deceive people.

[IJCR2]

Great tasty sausages.

[Mr.Atos]

Its also reminiscent of the note included in one of the anthrax letters. The statement ended with "Allah is great!" The FBI pointed out that a true Muslim would most likely have used the name, God, if it were a true statement of homage.

[Mark17]

there are lots of Muslim converts in prison that'll have a real interesting chat with this lad...

The Muslims are vastly outnumbered in the joint. I doubt they will have many interesting chats with anyone, and yes, I think it was cute.

[Damagro]

Glad some of you think this was cute. Me, I think it's disgusting and they should put the person who did it under the jail. Not that they'll have to--there are lots of Muslim converts in prison that'll have a real interesting chat with this lad...

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I agree, this was very stupid. Lard would have been much cheeper.

[Mark17]

Or maybe not cute, that was not a good word, but stuff happens the other way around, and no one says anything about it.

[templar]

What do people do with pork blood?

Vampires sometimes drink it in place of human blood (usually each others, so the supply is limited in quantity). Really. It's an underground cult type of thing.

There may be other uses for pig blood I am unaware of. Ask you local butcher who his pig blood customers are to get an idea of who might be using in your area (vampires usually fit the Goth type of profile).

[The KG9 Kid]

If someone were to spray paint a backwards swastika on a synagogue's front door, instead painting a Chinese symbol of good luck rather than the intended symbol of the Third Reich, they're still a Nazi asshole -- just a retarded Nazi asshole.

[hardhead]

Just remember the 'art' exhibits of the last couple of years: The crucifix standing in a glass of urine; the painting of Mary with dung splattered on it. Double standards, all for the cause of appeasement.

[showme_the_Glory]

Just more alien livestock mutilation. Move along......

PETA