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Posted on 04/25/2003 1:30:10 PM PDT by flutters


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November 10, 2001

1. Colorado Governor Orders Post Office Shut Down After Employee Hospitalized for Pneumonia

November 21, 2001

2. Odd Pneumonia in Sverdlovsk

February 12, 2003

3. Fear spreads in China over mystery lung virus

March 10 – 16

4. Precognition (Mother Abigail)

5. First Known Case of Atypical Pneumonia in Europe Quarantined in Frankfurt (with 155 passengers)

6. UN Warns of Worldwide Threat from Killer Pneumonia

7. UN warns of worldwide threat from killer pneumonia

8. CDC Issues Health Alert About Atypical Pneumonia - Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (New SARS site)

9. A third case of atypical pneumonia reported in Taiwan

March 17 – 23

10. Honk Kong Health Secretary calls for calm as SARS cases double, (83 up from 42 on Sunday)

11. Experts Urge Against Panic Over Illness (SARS, contains actual info)



14. Killer Virus (SARS) Identified

15. Seven victims of mystery pneumonia stayed on same floor of Hong Kong hotel

16. SARS UPDATE: New Info on SARS for Health Care Providers on Free Republic

17. Guangdong doctor linked to SARS outbreak

18. President of the American Society of Microbiology on SARS - "Everything says it is airborne."


20. CDC increases SARS cases to 22 in U.S.


22. Causative agent of SARS virus isolated from lung tissue - test is reliably identifying cases

23. VIETNAM NEW SARS HOT ZONE, U.S. Warns Citizens in Vietnam To leave

24. SARS cases on the rise in Canada, may be spreading even further, 12 people showing symptoms

March 24 – 30

25. Singapore - 740 people quarantined, 14 new cases on Monday, Hospitals close, SARS spreads

26. 37 In United States May Have SARS

27. SARS epidemic spreads in Taiwan, three other CDC officials have become ill.

28. Official: Mystery Pneumonia in Southern China Killed 31 by End of February

29. Killer-flu a 'white terror': Expert, "It is the worst medical disaster I have ever seen."

30. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) multi-country outbreak - Update 10

31. German Scientist Sees No Global SARS Epidemic



34. SARS update: Mar 28

35. Airports stepping up screening for SARS

36. First SARS cases reported in New York

37. Quarantine is not slowing SARS

38. Second hospital ordered closed [ SARS -- Toronto ]

39. Virus may have crossed species barrier [ SARS ]

40. Screening for SARS at Pearson blasted -- Toronto Airport

41. SARS - Serious and Airborne No Matter What the Public is Told.

42. Virus hits hospital chief [ SARS ]

43. Pneumonia crisis grips Hong Kong

44. China Begins to Acknowledge Scope of SARS Infection

45. Lesson in circumspection [ SARS ]

46. SARS may spread by air

47. Airport checks on Sars tightened

48. Sars claims 4th Canadian victim

49. SARS UPDATE: Pneumonia bug poses global threat

50. Discoverer Of SARS Dies From It

51. SARS survival rate higher than pneumonia

March 31 – April 6

52. Doctors use antibodies to treat SARS victims

53. Excerpt: U.S. Disease Center Puzzles over SARS Transmission

54. All You Need To Know About SARS

55. An enduring mystery (SARS -- intelligent discussion)

56. Canadian SARS Virus Outbreak Rises to 129 Cases

57. More SARS cases reported in Hong Kong

58. 30 new cases of SARS in Ontario - Five young children among latest stricken

59. Hong Kong opening quarantine camps for SARS patients

60. Plane quarantined at San Jose airport

61. China Stonewalls WHO on SARS Virus -- Identity of Guangdong Medical Professor Revealed

62. Online hoax on Sars prompts HK panic buying

63. How the illness spread (SARS)

64. Chinese Province Reports 9 SARS Deaths (Guangdong)

65. SARS Mystery Deepens (Virus details)

66. False SARS alarm aboard U.S.-bound jet

67. WHO: All Travelers Should Avoid Hong Kong and Guangdong (SARS)

68. Scientists publish study: Researchers say virus is probably not airborne

69. Shanghai reports first SARS case

70. An Uncommon Cold (SARS)

71. Travellers Warned To Stay Away From Hong Kong (SARS)

72. SARS dashes hope for large Hong Kong Seder

73. 400 new SARS cases in China

74. Identity of killer pneumonia bug confirmed

75. SARS outbreak already causes business struggles

76. Singapore SARS death toll at 5

77. SARS Virus Sparks Fears in Tech Industry

78. Novel Coronavirus Detected in Chicken Intestinal Contents (SARS Relative in Sao Paulo)

79. Flight Attendants Demand Protection From SARS [Masks and Gloves]

80. 98 in Hong Kong recovering from SARS


82. Embassy staff flee SARS outbreak

83. SARS a combination of bacteria and virus

84. MSNBC- President Bush Signs Executive Order Allowing Quarantine For SARS Patients.

85. China apologizes for SARS response

86. CHINA: SARS, the Internet and Humiliated Communists

87. Experts Predict Spread of Mystery Illness (SARS)

88. Frequently Asked Questions About Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)

89. Sars: School closures extended

90. Another Torontonian dies of SARS

91. MAINLAND CHINA: Chlamydia arrowed as culprit [SARS]

92. Hong Kong Man With SARS Surrenders

93. SARS toll mounts to 73 in China

94. SARS case in Kuwait!

95. Where does the virus come from? [SARS]

April 7 - 13

96. Toll 22 as two more die [SARS]

97. High-level Singaporean task force for Sars

98. Fear... anxiety... optimism [Exposure to SARS]

99. Latest SARS evidence

100. New Reports Of SARS Plague Hong Kong

101. Sars 'fears' at French airport

102. Top Hong Kong Medical Official Has SARS

103. Beijing loses big on SARS gamble

104. China Says Finn Died of SARS

105. Beijing loses big on SARS gamble

106. NEJM -- A Major Outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome in Hong Kong [study conducted]

107. Patient's wake spreads SARS

108. CHLAMYDIA FOUND IN SARS (STD pathogen in mystery global epidemic that killed 82, infected 2,500)

109. Update 23 - Status of the main SARS outbreaks in different countries

110. CDC: SARS 'the beginning of a problem'

111. New theory of SARS transmission is proposed by doctor (It's an STD says Taiwan doctor)

112. Traditional Chinese Medicine Treatment for SARS

113. No SARS testing at U.S. airports

114. Beijing's SARS Attack

115. No Plans for SARS Quarantine in US, Experts Tell Senate Panel

116. Is Fear Spreading Faster Than SARS?

117. New SARS Outbreak Sparks 'Typhoid Mary' Fears

118. Beijing's SARS Attack

119. SARS: How Singapore outmanaged the others

120. Available tests to detect SARS not fully reliable, says WHO

121. SARS Is Here to Stay, Hong Kong and Singapore Tell Citizens

122. SARS may have other infection routes: officials

123. SARS effects Australian seafood industry -

124. Hong Kong's Healthcare System Overwhelmed by SARS


126. Singapore Woman Linked to 100 SARS Cases

127. Commentary: While China Stonewalled (SARS)

128. Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) - Update 24 - (Started in Room 911)

129. U.S. Tests 2,000 Drugs for SARS Treatment

130. SARS Here to Stay, Health Experts Say

131. Florida case shows SARS may be workplace threat

132. SARS Hits Columbus Ohio

133. Deadly SARS Likely in Asia for Keeps-U.S. Expert

134. SARS forces Ontarians to U.S. for medical help


136. Scientists identify virus behind deadly SARS

137. Deloping SARS Pandemic?

138. SARS Fear Spreads in Hong Kong

139. Sars victim who infected 133 will remain in quarantine exile (Super-spreader)

140. Breaking: Man diagnosed with SARS took 6 international flights....

141. Globetrotting Traveler Infected With SARS

142. CDC chief says she is concerned about possible workplace spread of SARS virus

143. SARS - US cases rise to 166 from 148

144. S&P considers impact of SARS

145. HK reports 61 new cases of virus, 2 more dead

146. Academician Kolesnikov: The Virus of Atypical Pneumonia Has Been Created Artifically (SARS)

147. Sars 'is mutant cold virus'

148. Exclusive SARS Report: Six Degrees of SARS: Of Politics, Greed, and Plagues

149. Medical Experts Speak Out -- SARS Virus Could Be Man-Made and Possibly a Bio-Weapon

150. Scientists confident of SARS link {SARS spread by cockroaches!}

151. SARS virus was created in weapons lab: Russian scientist

152. Health officials see 6 more likely SARS cases

153. Airline cancels 716 flights [SARS]

154. Children may escape worst of SARS virus

155. SARS may be here to stay

156. Decisive action, not slogans [SARS]

157. Every breath you take [SARS]

158. HK reports 49 new SARS cases, 3 more deaths

159. SARS Spreads to China's Remote Inner Mongolia

160. Businessman Becomes First To Contract SARS In Britain

161. SARS: Major report from the World Health Organization

162. New Sars deaths in China, Hongkong, Vietnam and Canada

163. B.C. lab cracks suspected SARS code

164. Jump in SARS Deaths; Airline Fears for Future (HK reports sharp jump in SARS deaths yesterday)

165. SARS ( atypical pneumonia )- a partial archive

166. British Columbia lab first to unlock suspected SARS virus

167. SARS virus threatens to become 21st century's first major disease

168. WHO adds Beijing to SARS-hit list

169. Up close with the Czar of Sars

170. SARS claims eight more in Asia

171. SARS batters Asian economies

172. SARS Global Death Toll Hits 133

173. U.S. strain of SARS much milder, data show

April 14 - 20

174. Chinese Premier: SARS Situation'Grave'

175. Young people predominate in latest Sars deaths

176. Canadian breakthrough leads wave of SARS hopes

177. German Firm Distributes First SARS Test Worldwide

178. SARS could be biggest disease threat since AIDS, says WHO expert

179. The SARS Hoopla

180. Anti-Sars action 'crippling airlines'

181. Stopping SARS

182. 29 New Cases SARS - Religious Community

183. SARS Claims Young Victims In Hong Kong

184. SARS spreading rapidly in China

185. SARS takes economic toll on Asia

186. Hong Kong SARS Turns Deadlier.

187. One-Day Death Rate From New Virus Hits 9 in Hong Kong

188. Experiments on Monkeys Zero In on SARS Cause


190. Scientists Confirm Cause Of SARS: Researchers Inject Monkeys With Suspected Virus

191. Proof SARS came from animals

192. SARS Chills Canada's Easter as Virus Spreads

193. Vietnam Nurse Survives Battle With SARS

194. The new bioterrorists

195. Coast Guard Searching For SARS


197. SARS: With Hong Kong Chart

198. Doctors save baby of pregnant SARS victim

199. SARS Mutating, Making Cure Unlikely

200. Island's SARS quarantine 'not a threat'

201. Doctors log on to fight SARS outbreak

202. WHO suspects hundreds more Beijing SARS deaths

203. SARS spread via plumbing: Outbreak traced at Hong Kong apartment complex

204. Fearing SARS, Ontario Urges Wider Quarantines

205. Possible confirmed US SARS case

206. In China's Capital, 'We're Panicking'

207. U.S. Reclassifies SARS Cases, Number Drops

208. China hid SARS patients - report

209. What does Dr Frist have to say about it?

210. Deadly SARS Spreads World-Wide: Death Rate Increases and Doctors Worry About Mutating Virus

211. Toronto officials trying to trace unlinked SARS case

212. SARS: Officials wary of outbreak in Canada

213. SARS: Hong Kong/China 19 April

214. How world let virus spread A tale of mistakes, missed opportunities, near misses

215. SARS: With Hong Kong & WHO charts 4/19

216. HK SARS deaths reach new high

217. A passenger who flew in with cough tests positive for SARS

218. SARS pandemic a worry, but now it's wait and see

219. Canada's SARS fear prompts quarantine [SARS now in Montreal?]

220. China reports 48 new SARS cases

221. Oh Canada, Doubting Their Leaders Re: SARS

222. Sars Death Toll Hits New High In Hong Kong

223. Lethal Legacy: Bioweapons for Sale

224. China Sharply Raises Its SARS Infections, Deaths

225. Chinese SARS patients hidden

226. SARS: The Hong Kong Chart - 4/20/03

227. City Of Fear, Hope; Hong Kong keeps a brave face as SARS crisis grows

228. SARS infects 'protected' medical staff Gloves, gowns, masks didn't stop outbreak at Sunnybrook

229. China sacks minister over Sars (And May Day festivities cancelled)

230. SARS virus proves dangerously durable

231. China sacks health minister, 21 new SARS deaths worldwide (China's got their own "Baghdad Bob")

232. Updated Interim U.S. Case Definition of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)

233. China's secrecy over Sars

234. China, the Evil Empire (of SARS)

TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: acute; pneumonia; respiratory; sars; severe; syndrome
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1 posted on 04/25/2003 1:30:10 PM PDT by flutters
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2 posted on 04/25/2003 1:36:02 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: flutters
Thanks for putting it all together in one place!!!!!
3 posted on 04/25/2003 1:38:39 PM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: CathyRyan
4-5 billion people in the world 200-300 die...and everyone gets in a panic. More people are killed by cars in a day.
4 posted on 04/25/2003 1:39:02 PM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: flutters
A totally incredible amount of work, Thank you!
5 posted on 04/25/2003 1:41:53 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: flutters
Great Work!
6 posted on 04/25/2003 1:41:56 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: EternalHope; CathyRyan
Thank you. I've been gathering the links for sometime now. What do you make of link #2?
7 posted on 04/25/2003 1:44:31 PM PDT by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: BubbaJunebug
Tom, Dan and Peter will let you know when it's time to panic so you don't have to stay informed. You just sit back and relax. The government will take good care of everything that needs to be done. The government will send you a pamphlet in the mail that will telling you all you need to know about sars (If they think you need to know anything)when the time comes. Nothing to see here move along.:)
8 posted on 04/25/2003 1:57:46 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: CathyRyan
Here's one that should be read: (
9 posted on 04/25/2003 2:09:24 PM PDT by Digger
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To: BubbaJunebug
"4-5 billion people in the world 200-300 die...and everyone gets in a panic. More people are killed by cars in a day."

Think "common cold, but with a double digit mortality rate."
Also consider that if you put a grain of wheat on the first square of a checker board, two on the second, four on the third, eight on the fourth, and so on, you run out of the world annual wheat supply before you get to the 64th square. Un-treatable, easily communicable diseases tend to grow like that too. Think 1918-1920 Influenza epidemic.

Or listen to someone with experience in the subject:

April 25, 2003

Six Months to Act
The SARS Epidemic

The most chilling moment of my medical career occurred in 1985, when I led a program to test incoming U.S. Army recruits for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. At the time, little was known about the emerging HIV virus or AIDS. As I began to analyze blood samples from the first 600,000 recruits, I discovered that HIV had silently infected a large cross section of apparently healthy young adults. At that moment I realized that we were already losing the race to control the virus, and that the human species was destined to be afflicted with HIV as a fact of life -- and death -- for decades to come.

Now, the spread of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) threatens to cause another global pandemic. But this time the chances of successfully controlling the emerging microbial threat are far better -- and there is a real possibility that we can eradicate the virus before it overwhelms global control efforts.

* * *
There are three reasons for this. Firstly, most of those infected with SARS rapidly become ill and so can be easily identified. Compared with HIV/AIDS, there seems to be much less danger of them carrying the virus for prolonged periods without any outward sign of infection, so facilitating its transmission to others. Secondly, the global medical and scientific response to SARS, led by the World Health Organization, has been prompt and forceful. Cases, and people they have been in contact with, are being tracked world-wide and -- when necessary -- isolated. And scientists have already identified the coronavirus that causes SARS and deciphered its genetic code. This makes it possible to test patients for the virus, and even allows doctors to measure the quantity of virus and determine which patients are most contagious.

There is also a third factor working to our advantage, and that is the simple change of seasons. Viruses that are transmitted from human to human by coughing or sneezing, such as influenza, measles and even smallpox, are strongly seasonal in nature. In winter, the epidemic is like a chain reaction; in summer, it fizzles out. Quite why this is so has never been conclusively determined. Temperature alone is not the explanation, although experimental evidence suggests that seasonal changes in humidity levels play an important role. Crowded indoor conditions, leading to more people breathing the same air, may be another factor.

Whatever the explanation, all available evidence suggests that SARS shares the same seasonal pattern. That's also true of other coronaviruses, such as those that cause epidemics among animals and benign coronaviruses in humans. And it helps explain why the present epidemic spread so rapidly in February and March and why the infection rate has now slowed (although, of course, the absolute number of cases continues to increase).

Nature has also favored us in another way. There have been relatively few cases of influenza in most countries this year, which means there is little danger of SARS patients being misdiagnosed as having flu. When patients caught fevers and showed respiratory symptoms or pulmonary problems, especially after contact with a SARS case, it was easy to be reasonably certain they had caught the coronavirus and impose strict quarantine measures before they could spread it any further.

Next winter, we may not be so lucky. If influenza and SARS epidemics strike simultaneously, confusion will reign.

As summer approaches and the SARS epidemic declines, there will be an understandable urge to celebrate. But history teaches us that the devastating 1918 influenza epidemic began with a modest "herald wave" in spring that faded away during the summer, only to explode and wreak global devastation the following fall and winter. It is possible that SARS, now seeded around the globe, could follow a similar pattern and fade away this summer, only to erupt again next winter.

The coming summer lull in SARS affords an extraordinary opportunity. If we can detect, diagnose and effectively isolate every contagious case during the period when the infection rate is at its lowest, it is possible that we can truly eradicate SARS, not just for the short term, but permanently.

Epidemic-control efforts should not simply be maintained, but doubled, and redoubled again. New diagnostic tests should be mass-produced and made freely available around the globe. Epidemiological teams should investigate every possible case, even in the poorest communities. Face-saving politicians who hide local epidemics must be cajoled, or more forcefully convinced, to cooperate. Special efforts must be made to detect and quench new outbreaks in the Southern Hemisphere. With skill, determination and luck, we might be able to break all the chains of transmission before the onset of winter offers the virus a chance to spread more rapidly again.

Technological optimists may argue that eradication is not essential, because antiviral drugs and vaccines will be developed that can control SARS. However, experience with AIDS, West Nile and Ebola suggests these techno-fixes will not be ready for several years, at best. On the other hand, epidemiological pessimists will warn that eradication of SARS is simply impossible, some with the nuanced argument that even if SARS is eradicated, it may emerge again, either naturally or through accidental bio-bungling. But a virus that jumps across species to cause an outbreak is a highly random event, unlikely to recur often.

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Of course, the pessimists may eventually be proved correct: A halfhearted effort at controlling the epidemic would guarantee failure. But if the U.S. is prepared to lead a world-wide coalition of nations in joining forces with the World Health Organization with the goal of doing everything possible to eradicate SARS, this extraordinary goal might just be achievable.

Louis Pasteur, father of microbiology, wisely counseled that "Chance favors the prepared mind." For the moment, chance is on our side. But we have just six months to complete the job of the global eradication of the SARS coronavirus. After that, when the seasonal epidemic flares next year, it will be too late.

Dr. Burke is professor of international health and epidemiology at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

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10 posted on 04/25/2003 2:10:36 PM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: flutters
Excellent! Thanks for putting it together.
11 posted on 04/25/2003 2:16:00 PM PDT by per loin
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To: flutters
Certainly an interesting link. But what happened next?
12 posted on 04/25/2003 2:22:20 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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To: CathyRyan
Nothing to see here move along.

Get moving then ...

13 posted on 04/25/2003 2:23:57 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked to SARS:
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To: flutters
Well done.

I will say there is too much hysteria on this and wild speculation non-info being talked about here.

All this "virus is mutating rapidly" etc.. is just nonsense.

SARS is a serious disease and health threat and it's cause is still not certain.

But the doomsday scenarios and widespread panic, fear, exageration and hysteria anr unwarrented.

The only way the sarsmania (a great term coined by Americanintokyo) would live up to its promise is if this were an escaped bioweapon developed in China.

I would tend to doubt such a scenario, but it is a possibility and there is info consistent with this.

14 posted on 04/25/2003 2:29:41 PM PDT by tallhappy
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Dutch Bird Flu Claims First Human Victim (Not SARS)

16:08 22 April 03, news service

Dutch scientists are urgently checking whether the bird flu virus sweeping the country has mutated into a dangerous human pathogen, after it claimed its first human victim.

A 57-year-old Dutch veterinarian died of pneumonia in the southern city of Den Bosch on Thursday, and the "most likely cause", say investigators, is the bird flu virus.

Concern about the virus has been mounting ever since it became clear that the Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza that has been ravaging Dutch poultry farms since 28 February can also infect humans.

So far, 82 people with clinical symptoms have tested positive for the bird virus. Nearly all have had conjunctivitis, a mild eye infection, but six people had typical flu-like symptoms.

Severe bird flu hits Europe

Reuters via The Straights Times ^ | Saturday, April 19, 2003 | Reuters

LONDON - Europe is becoming rattled by a severe Dutch outbreak of bird flu that is infecting humans and prompting fears that a mutated version of the virus could spark a flu epidemic in people.

The Dutch Agriculture Ministry said there was a danger that bird and human flu could mix in pigs and produce a mutation that humans have no resistance against.

World Health Organisation spokesman Iain Simpson said: 'It is possible. Up to now avian flu has never acquired the ability to transmit from one person to another - if it does... it could cause a large number of infections.'

The Netherlands has been grappling to contain the month-long outbreak that has spilled into Belgium and is approaching Germany.

About 15 million out of more than 100 million birds have been slaughtered in the Netherlands as the authorities battle to suppress its spread.

Dutch bird flu losses well over EUR 100 million

AMSTERDAM, April 23 (Reuters) - The Dutch poultry and egg sector has suffered well over 100 million euros ($109 million) in losses from the bird flu outbreak sweeping through the European Union's biggest poultry exporter, an official said on Wednesday.

It was impossible to pinpoint a figure since the poultry disease was spreading, according to Albert Vernooij, market analyst with the Product Board for Livestock, Meat and Eggs. "It's huge, but the situation is developing so fast, it's very difficult to give a figure," he told Reuters.

Around 18 million poultry have been slaughtered as authorities fight to contain the outbreak in the Netherlands, also the world's biggest egg exporter and global fourth in poultry exports.

15 posted on 04/25/2003 2:33:38 PM PDT by _Jim (Guangdong doctor linked to SARS:
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Nothing to see here move along. Get moving then ...

Sorry. I don't watch Peter, Dan, or Tom so I have to get my information here. So that if the time every comes to panic I will know about it. :)

16 posted on 04/25/2003 2:39:30 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: flutters; Mother Abigail; Petronski; per loin; EternalHope; Domestic Church; riri; InShanghai; ...
Great work!

Key Developments Friday Concerning SARS .

17 posted on 04/25/2003 3:11:49 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: flutters
Bookmarked! Thank you.
18 posted on 04/25/2003 3:43:14 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
" A halfhearted effort at controlling the epidemic would guarantee failure. But if the U.S. is prepared to lead a world-wide coalition of nations in joining forces with the World Health Organization with the goal of doing everything possible to eradicate SARS, this extraordinary goal might just be achievable. "

Here we are on the modest "herald wave" of this pandemic and even now the Canadian authorities are throwing hissy fits about lost $$$ and being labeled...if this is any indicator we are going up river without a paddle. Someone had better smack some sense into Chretien fast.
19 posted on 04/25/2003 3:58:02 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: aristeides
That nurse who just died in the Phillipines had flown in from Toronto to see her father.
20 posted on 04/25/2003 4:10:40 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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