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Taking the High Grounds -- The Story of Coffee
What We Eat -- WKNO - PBS ^ | Burt Wolf / ConAgra

Posted on 04/26/2003 5:02:27 PM PDT by brityank

Taking the High Grounds
- The Story of Coffee -


BURT WOLF -- WHAT WE EAT -- WKNO PBS

The most famous story about the discovery of coffee takes place in what is now Ethiopia. It tells of a goat herder who noticed that after eating the berries of a certain bush, his goats became energized. He tasted the berries, and they had the same effect on him. Then a local monk joined in the experiment and ended up in a similar state of excitement. The berries became a regular part of the diet at the nearby monastery and were considered a gift from heaven because they helped keep the brothers awake during their evening prayers.

The nomadic people of Ethiopia have been using the fruits, seeds and leaves of the coffee tree for more than 1,000 years. But it wasn’t a major part of their diet, and they didn’t make what we think of as coffee. They used the leaves and the dried husks of the berries to make a tea-like drink. They also crushed the seeds of the plant and rolled them into balls with animal fat, creating a mentally stimulating fast food that could be carried on long journeys.

HOUSES OF EXCITATION

The word “coffee” comes from an Arabic word for wine. Islamic law forbids wine’s consumption, and in many ways the Islamic world has chosen coffee to take its place. Its first serious cultivation as a cash crop took place in Yemen during the 1400s. Religious pilgrims visiting Mecca spread the news about coffee, and by the 1500s, coffeehouses were opening all over the Islamic world.

At first coffee’s adoption was questioned by conservative Koranic scholars, who argued that coffee should be treated as wine and prohibited. But coffee’s intoxicating effects were the opposite of wine’s, and a much larger group of scholars defended the beverage. They were enthusiastic about coffee’s ability to sharpen the mind, loosen the tongue, and keep a person awake through long hours of study and prayer. A Dutch traveler described Middle Eastern coffeehouses as “large halls, with floors covered with straw mats. Customers are served with smoking pipes and cups of coffee. Scholars sit in these establishments and tell tales, deliver speeches on various subjects and receive small contributions from the audience for their efforts.”

The caffeine in coffee is a stimulant, and in these coffeehouses it stimulated original thought, a sense of freedom, and a desire to discuss politics and social change. In a world without newspapers, magazines, radio or television, coffeehouses quickly became centers for travelers and locals to exchange news, stories and opinions. The ruling classes, however, were threatened by this development.

“Coffeehouses were centers for gaming and writing fantastically funny, satirical verses about Cayar Beg, the Governor of Mecca. He’d heard about some of these things, and he didn’t like them, so he decided he was going to close the coffeehouses. But his superiors in Cairo said, ‘Forget that. I like coffee.’ It was the first time a coffeehouse was closed, but it wasn’t going to be the last, because people tend to become irreverent when they drink coffee.”
—Mark Pendergrast

When the Turks occupied Yemen in 1536, they learned about coffee and coffeehouses and brought both back to Constantinople. They became so popular among the Ottomans that by the end of the 1500s, European visitors to Constantinople reported that there were 600 coffeehouses in the city and that they served the same function as the taverns in Europe.

TRANSFORMING EUROPE

The Ottoman Turks introduced coffee to Europe and were the first to make coffee a commodity. They guarded their monopoly and forbade any shipment of fertile coffee fruit to their European or Asian customers. But during the early 1600s, a Muslim pilgrim from India taped a few seeds to his chest, returned home without having them discovered, and started a coffee farm in Mysore. He didn’t have much commercial success, but he did prove that it was possible to grow coffee outside of the Middle East.

In 1616 a Dutch trader managed to smuggle a coffee tree out of the Yemeni port of Aden, and by the 1650s the Dutch were growing coffee commercially in Ceylon. During the early 1700s, the Dutch East India company dominated the world coffee markets with harvests from its coffee plantations in Java. Europe was, at that time, beginning a cultural transformation, and as European society modernized, coffee became the drink of choice for the emerging middle class.

Up to the 1600s, most of what we think of as big business was done by governments—most small businesses were run out of people’s homes. Coffeehouses provided homes away from home for the new breed of capitalist, busy building private industry. Lloyd’s of London, until recently the largest insurance company in the world, began life in 1688 as a coffeehouse which just happened to be popular with insurance brokers. Other coffeehouses gave rise to holding companies, stock exchanges, and newspapers. In England, coffeehouses became known as the place where businessmen did business.

In the early decades of the 1600s, coffee also became a fad among English college students, and in 1650 a group of students at Oxford opened the first coffeehouse in England. In 1652, Pasqua Rosée, an Armenian immigrant, opened the first coffeehouse in London. It was an instant success, and within 50 years coffeehouses had cropped up all over the city. They were a hit with writers, artists and critics. They were called the “penny university,” because you paid your penny and could listen to the main orators of the day holding forth on their pet subject.

The acceptance of coffee on the European continent did not take place as quickly as it had in England. In France, coffee was nowhere until 1669, when Ottoman ambassador Suleiman Aga’s arrival in Paris sparked a wave of Turkomania, leading to the establishment of cafés all over the country. Coffee was a regular part of the Turkish diet, but almost unknown to the Viennese. Beer drinking was a matter of national pride, and there was heavy resistance to the new drink. The event that began to change Austria’s attitude was the siege of Vienna in 1683. The city was attacked and surrounded by a Turkish army. Eventually, the siege was broken and the Turks retreated, leaving behind hundreds of sacks filled with coffee beans. The army thought the sacks contained animal fodder, but Franz Kolschitsky, a war hero who had lived in Arab countries, knew about coffee. He smelled the burning beans, and offered to take them.

As a reward for his wartime efforts, Kolschitsky was given a building, which he turned into Vienna’s first coffeehouse. Since then, the Viennese have really taken to coffee. Coffeehouses in Europe served the same function as they had in the Arab world: they provided a place for scholars, artists, journalists and political activists to socialize and do business.

The coffeehouse also played its part in the 1700s, the Age of Enlightenment. It was a time when philosophers believed in the reasonable mind of man, in natural law, and in universal order. People were beginning to question the divine right of kings, and the coffeehouse became the popular spot to ask and answer those questions.

The idea of man as an essentially rational being set the stage for the economic policies of Adam Smith and the political ideas of Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. Plans for both the French Revolution and the American Revolution were discussed and developed during meetings that were held in coffeehouses.

Several European leaders, including Frederick the Great of Prussia, banned coffeehouses as hotbeds of sedition but, as the mayor of Mecca had found out 400 years earlier, even a royal edict is no match for the public’s love of coffee.

TO THE AMERICAS

By the middle 1700s, there were tens of thousands of coffeehouses throughout Europe. Eager to capitalize on the demand for coffee, European entrepreneurs were always on the lookout for new sources of the bean. The Dutch, like the Turks before them, did their best to prevent other interests from getting their hands on live coffee plants. But in 1723, a French officer, Gabriel Mathieu de Clieu, smuggled a single coffee plant across the Atlantic and planted it in Martinique in the West Indies— the first coffee plant in the Americas, and probably the parent of most of the coffee grown in the New World today.

The Portuguese government desperately wanted to plant coffee in Brazil, but they had a difficult time getting hold of any living plants. In 1727, a Portuguese official in Brazil was called in to broker a land dispute between the governors of French and Dutch Guiana. The representative resolved the conflict, and at the same time conducted a secret love affair with the wife of the French governor. As he departed for his return trip to Brazil she presented him with a large bouquet of flowers. Hidden in the center was a coffee bush, ready to be planted and establish the Brazilian coffee industry. Coffee soon spread throughout Central and South America.

COFFEE IN THE COLONIES

The British colonists in North America arrived with a taste for coffee. John Smith, who led the settlers at Jamestown, had traveled in Turkey and was a coffee aficionado. Coffeehouses also crossed the Atlantic with the colonists; in 1689 Boston opened its first coffeehouse. Coffee in the American colonies was expensive in comparison to tea, which is why the early settlers were tea drinkers. When King George III’s tax on tea caused the patriots of Boston to stage the Boston Tea Party, the protest was financial and political, but totally unrelated to gastronomy. During the Revolutionary War, American colonists drank coffee because tea was not readily available. When the war was over they went right back to drinking tea, which was considerably cheaper. When the newly formed United States of America went into battle with England for a second time during the War of 1812, the supply of English tea was once again greatly reduced. Americans returned to drinking coffee, but this time the coffee came from Latin America. It was inexpensive, and of the best quality.

After that war, Americans stopped purchasing their tea from the great English tea companies, buying it instead from American shippers. Unfortunately, the knowledge and skills necessary to purchase top-quality tea in the growing areas was not part of the American tradition, and the quality of the tea coming into the United States declined significantly. It was this reduction in excellence that caused most Americans to turn to coffee. The choice was simple: inferior, high-priced tea or superior, inexpensive coffee.

The history of how people really eat and drink clearly shows that politics play a small role in our food selection. Price, however, significantly alters the way we eat and drink. The United States became the world’s largest consumer of coffee, and South and Central America its biggest suppliers. Increased production in Latin America drove coffee bean prices down, making coffee accessible to more and more people, both in Europe and the United States. American firms were developing high-capacity roasters, and a huge coffee roasting industry grew up in New York. By 1845, New York City was roasting as many beans as all of Great Britain.

Before the Civil War most American consumers bought green coffee beans, roasted them at home in a frying pan, then ground and brewed the beans.

“During the War, the South couldn’t get any coffee at all. They had to make fake coffee out of everything from acorns to figs to little roadside weeds, so after the War, everyone in the South wanted coffee more than you could possibly imagine. An Atlanta jeweler got hold of a real coffee bean and set it.”
—Mark Pendergrast

Meanwhile, the Union army, was fueled by coffee: soldiers received a ration of 36 pounds a year and they brought home their taste for coffee when the war was over. Industrial roasters, which had been supplying beans to coffeehouses, hotels, and the Army, began to package roasted coffee beans for home use, and branded coffees began to appear. Maxwell House, Folgers, and Chase and Sanborn all got started in the mid-1800s.

TAKE A BREAK

As the United States industrialized, coffee found a new role. For workers who had to be at the factory or office early in the morning, and often for round-the-clock shift work, coffee became a necessity.

On March 17, 1930, at three-thirty in the afternoon, the owners of the Mississippi Steamship Company in New Orleans called all their employees into the company’s main office and held the first company-sponsored coffee break in the United States. Executives of the steamship line had seen something like a coffee break in Brazil, and they liked the effect it had on the morale of the workers. It also improved the morale of the workers in New Orleans, so they made the coffee break a permanent part of their operations. Even without corporate sponsorship, the coffee break has become a central part of the American workday.

FEDERAL ESPRESSO

In Turkey and Arabia, coffee had been brewed by repeatedly boiling ground coffee in a brass or copper pot called an ibrik. It was served (as it still is today) along with the grounds. Early European drinkers adopted a similar method. But by the early 1800s, various drip coffee methods were being devised, and a primitive form of filtered coffee evolved. It required wrapping the grounds in a cloth bag before boiling them in water, but it worked. By the turn of the 20th century, Europe was a hotpot of coffee innovation. In 1901, Italian inventor Luigi Bezzera built a steam-driven machine that could make single cups of coffee to order—and espresso was born. Espresso and the espresso bar, manned by a knowledgeable barista, became popular throughout Italy, and after World War I, quickly spread across the Continent.

Because of its caffeine content, some people were beginning to have concerns about coffee’s effect on good health. In 1906, Ludwig Roselius, a German coffee merchant, found a way to extract caffeine from coffee beans. Roselius’ coffee was a success, and the brands he established, Kaffe Hag and Sanka, are still around.

IT’S ALL IN THE BEAN

Traditionally, coffee had been made from a variety of the bean known as arabica. It was the plant that was first discovered in Ethiopia, cultivated in Yemen and spread around the world by European coffee traders. But arabica matures slowly, will only grow properly at high elevations, and is susceptible to disease. At the beginning of the 1900s, a variety known as robusta was found in the African Congo. It was a much tougher plant, able to grow in a wider range of environments, and it packed twice the caffeine punch of arabica. The taste was not up to the standard set by arabica, but the economics of using robusta were too great for the coffee producers to ignore.

Consumers in the United States became accustomed to the harsher taste of the new beans. So did the Europeans, though the French and Italians developed much darker roasts in order to compensate. The large manufacturers began to put together blends in pursuit of the perfect coffee. They’d pick one for acidity, one for body, one for flavor, and so on.

Soldiers serving in World War I had a great thirst for coffee. But transporting the beans was a logistical nightmare. G. Washington, a Brooklyn-based coffee roaster, responded to the problem by developing the first successful instant coffee. Washington’s crystallized coffee was a huge success with the troops, and by 1918 the U.S. Army had requisitioned the firm’s entire output. During the war they consumed over 75 million pounds of coffee.

“During the war, all kinds of names were made up for the coffee that the GIs were getting in their foxholes. Many of them pejorative, such as mud, but it was also known as a “cuppa joe” because of G.I. Joe. This was his coffee, and that’s the origin of why coffee is called cuppa joe. “
—Mark Pendergrast

Back home instant coffee, often of questionable quality, joined dozens of brands on store shelves. Coffee firms relied on the cheap, plentiful, and lowquality robusta beans as they fought for market share. For most of the 20th century, Americans learned to drink what coffee they were served— and that was often weak and watery.

In 1966, Alfred Peet, a Dutch immigrant living in Berkeley, California, was fed up with the coffee available in the United States. Peet, a former coffee trader himself, whose father had been a coffee importer in the Netherlands, started a premium coffee business. He liked the dark roasts popular in France and Italy—roasts that were developed to cover up the taste of low-quality beans—but he decided to use the technique with high-quality beans. Peet’s Coffee soon developed a cult following, and inspired a generation of coffee roasters to produce a quality coffee boom that is still seeping across the United States.

Peet’s most successful disciples were a group of Seattle coffee merchants who, in 1971, founded a firm they called Starbucks. The company has played a major role in creating—and then capitalizing on—a taste for espresso and cappuccino drinks. Starbucks also introduced Americans to the modern coffeehouse.

Unknown for most of human history, coffee has changed the world. Currently it is the world’s leading cash crop, the second most actively-traded commodity after oil, and the most widely used psychoactive substance on the planet.

Burt Wolf - What We Eat
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UNCOMMON GROUNDS: THE HISTORY OF COFFEE AND HOW IT TRANSFORMED OUR WORLD
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Channel-surfing looking for news, and caught the tail-end of this on a local PBS station. The ingenuity of Man -- in food that which doesn't kill you strengthens you. Or at least keeps you awake.

There are a group of interesting stories about the foods we eat at the link above; something for a slow day. Enjoy.

1 posted on 04/26/2003 5:02:27 PM PDT by brityank
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To: brityank

Ahhhh, nothing like a good cup of Joe

2 posted on 04/26/2003 5:12:46 PM PDT by abnegation
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To: brityank
Burt Wolf! Wasn't he on CNN for years?

Haven't seen him in a dog's age.

Love foodees like Wolf, Anthony Bourdain, Chan, Julia...

Even Emeril.

3 posted on 04/26/2003 5:17:39 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: brityank
Also to be remembered is J.S. Bach's "Coffee Cantata".
4 posted on 04/26/2003 5:17:42 PM PDT by paolop
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To: brityank
Starbucks also introduced Americans to the modern coffeehouse.

Give me Reienzi's in NYC any time.(Is it still there?)
I was there the year bob dylan played electric at Newport,
that dates me I know.
Now THAT was a coffee house.
Great music, chess, stimulating conversation,stay as long as you like, great deserts, and none of this overroasted burnt bean gunk from starbucks.
5 posted on 04/26/2003 5:19:16 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: brityank
Coffee is my friend.
6 posted on 04/26/2003 5:19:41 PM PDT by since1868
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To: brityank
I couldn't stay awake through the whole article!!

;<)

7 posted on 04/26/2003 5:24:53 PM PDT by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: abnegation
Ahhhh, nothing like a good cup of Joe

... or a good Hot Chocolate. (Another one on Burt's page.)

8 posted on 04/26/2003 5:31:36 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: billorites
Burt is one of the few I like; he always has a lot of history behind his shows.
9 posted on 04/26/2003 5:32:38 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
I have had coffee from all over the world, drink at least six cups or more every day and the best coffee I have ever tasted is Dunkin' Donuts with just creme, no sugar along with their Apple Fritter.
10 posted on 04/26/2003 5:36:58 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: brityank
"In the end, Balzac resorted to eating dry coffee grounds to achieve the desired effect. He died at age 49.": http://www.npr.org/programs/wesat/features/2001/coffee/010908.caffeine.html

Origin of the Coffe Break and More: http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/features/patc/coffeebreak/index.html

11 posted on 04/26/2003 5:37:56 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: tet68
Starbucks coffee sucks to me. Every time I taste it, it seems to have a burnt undertaste; very disappointing.

Was really brought into coffee in the Navy; the shack had a 60-cup perker that was always going. We added a little salt to the grounds before brewing, and made it strong. The grounds came in 20 pound steel cans, and was mostly from Maxwell. Used to hang at Marie Callenders restaraunts in SanD and Long Beach; great bottomless cup coffee, and the best deep-dish strawberry pie.

12 posted on 04/26/2003 5:41:24 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
Thosr 20 lb cans of coffee and the 10 lb canned hams keep the military running. The supply people have to have something to trade for hard-to-get supplies.
13 posted on 04/26/2003 5:44:27 PM PDT by dwilli
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too much coffee

14 posted on 04/26/2003 5:46:51 PM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: dwilli
Locally, I hit Wawa stores, and will drink it anyway it comes although I prefer cream (not milk) and real sugar. DD's is good, but 7-11 sucks. JMHO.
15 posted on 04/26/2003 5:47:57 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank; Fiddlstix
Bump & Ping
16 posted on 04/26/2003 5:48:25 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a monthly donor!)
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To: dwilli
In the yard, we could get most anything we wanted from the yardbirds for cans of coffee and hams. Got a radio and an antenna link for the FT shack with four of each -- great trade!
17 posted on 04/26/2003 5:50:39 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
I am always amazed by how much I don't know. Thanks for the education.
18 posted on 04/26/2003 5:51:49 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Age of Reason
"In the end, Balzac resorted to eating dry coffee grounds to achieve the desired effect. He died at age 49."

As a young private, I was driving a big army truck at a 0-dark-thirty convoy to somewhere on the highway, I was dead tired. I had to have a cup of coffee, but where, how? I had an MRE ration, so I just ripped open the package - "Coffee Instant Type I" 2.2 grams net, downed it, and took a big ole swig from the canteen. Bleh. It worked though!
19 posted on 04/26/2003 5:53:54 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: dwilli
I hafta admit, I like the coffee in europe. Jacobs Kronung is tasty if you can find it. I still drink Folgers mostly. It kind of pisses me off, since we're a hell of a lot closer to the coffee fields than Austria. But, they take that stuff seriously. In fact, of several consumer goods - beer, coffee, and chocolate - they have us beat, badly. Better, and usually cheaper too. The US leads the world in just a few areas - whiskey, ciggies and nuclear weapons, is about all I can think of.
20 posted on 04/26/2003 5:57:47 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: brityank
I did enjoy the story. Thanks!
21 posted on 04/26/2003 5:58:52 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: brityank
Most of the times during yard periods, the civilians just stole stuff like that.
22 posted on 04/26/2003 5:58:59 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: brityank
Try the Millstone beans, esp the "Bed and Breakfast" blend.
Very good balance, not charcoal!
IMHO, just about the best I've ever had, and I have 3 regular drip machines, two espresso machines, two electric grinders, and an old-fashioned hand crank manual grinder.
23 posted on 04/26/2003 5:59:10 PM PDT by djf
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To: Freedom4US
I had an MRE ration, so I just ripped open the package - "Coffee Instant Type I"

I love chocolate-covered coffee beans!

24 posted on 04/26/2003 5:59:11 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Freedom4US
If you mean "buzz" coffees like expresso, I agree but for just siping coffee, I have to go with Dunkin'
25 posted on 04/26/2003 6:02:09 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: brityank
7-11 used to have coffee almost as good as Dunkin' but several years back they went to a brand of coffee with a burnt taste to compete with Starbucks and other coffee shops.

I would pass on Starbucks anytime for Maxwell House or Folgers and especially Taster's Choice. Starbucks is for fad coffee drinkers, not addicts like me.
26 posted on 04/26/2003 6:06:57 PM PDT by dwilli
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"Starbucks coffee sucks to me. Every time I taste it, it seems to have a burnt undertaste; very disappointing."

What Starbucks really introduced was the $4.00 cup of 5 cent coffee. I live in "Coffee Central" (Seattle) and the BEST coffee is "Seattle's Best," followed by Tullys. The best deal around is at McDonalds, who sells a good cup of Seattle's Best "Senior Coffee" for those over 55 is only 35 cents.

27 posted on 04/26/2003 6:07:09 PM PDT by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: brityank
A good cup (OK, who am I kidding?) or 6 cups of coffee really make the morning better.
28 posted on 04/26/2003 6:10:58 PM PDT by LibKill (MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
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To: brityank
This article overlooks completely the history of coffee in New Orleans. The importation, roasting and brewing of coffee in that city dates back at least 200 years (and probably longer). South Louisiana still roasts (and consumes) some of the best coffee in the world---Starbucks is horse urine by comparison.
29 posted on 04/26/2003 6:11:39 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: holyscroller
Seattle's Best used to be Seattle's Best. As of last week, they were purchased by Starbucks.
30 posted on 04/26/2003 6:15:05 PM PDT by djf
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To: paolop
This is a good article that I have been forced to bookmark.

To me, the best cup of coffee is to be had at Dunkin' Donuts. Whenever I journey to an area where the franchise has not yet penetrated (such as Alabama), I really miss it. I've had the Starbucks coffee but have not yet acquired a taste for it. It tastes very bitter to me. I also don't like the sugar they have there (in those little brown bags) and they don't have real cream, just that "half and half" stuff along with skim milk or milk. Real cream and sugar makes all the difference. (Can't drink the stuff black.)

I own a copy of Bach's "Coffee Cantata" along with most of his other works. In fact, I'll be drinking coffee and listening to a Bach cantata tomorrow morning - it's a Sunday morning tradition for me as one of the local classical stations plays a Bach cantata every Sunday at 8AM.

31 posted on 04/26/2003 6:15:08 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: brityank
Great post. I learned something new.
32 posted on 04/26/2003 6:16:50 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: dwilli
I make maybe one pot of coffe a month at home, mostly I dring tea. Cross & Blackwell Black if I have time; Red Rose in a hurry, and I leave the bag in my 16oz mug. Can't stand weak tea, or with milk/cream.
33 posted on 04/26/2003 6:18:17 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: brityank
Down south we drink tea (usually Liptons) over ice cubes
in a tall glass with sugar and lemon, usually beside a plate
of ribs, seafood, barbecue during suppertime.
34 posted on 04/26/2003 6:22:19 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: brityank
Starbucks coffee sucks to me. Every time I taste it, it seems to have a burnt undertaste; very disappointing.

A couple of weeks ago I was talking with a gentleman who used to be a coffee buyer. He told me that Starbucks is known throughout the business for their marketing ability. He maintains that they bought the (mostly Vietnamese) beans that no other brokers would touch then turned around & sold them as premium (at more than premium prices). They made huge profits but at the expense of taste. This man told me that when Starbucks first became available at your local grocery store they were labeled as "premium" but they were forced to remove this from the labels.

35 posted on 04/26/2003 6:26:52 PM PDT by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Everyone talks of Cafe du monde,
but I remember, Morning Call.
Just around the corner from Buster Holmes.
Across from the French market.
Marble tables, mirrored walls,
100 watt bulbs in open fixtures,
open 24hrs.

Gone for many years now.
36 posted on 04/26/2003 6:31:48 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Wonder Warthog
Absolutely! I have hauled more Community Dark Roast and Between Roast to culturally blighted parts of the world than you can imagine. Caffiene and attitude will get you through most anything.
37 posted on 04/26/2003 6:35:19 PM PDT by Comus
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To: brityank
Thanks. Long but well worth the read. I heard Pendergrast on C-SPAN (radio) Book Notes about 2 years ago talking about this book. It was fascinating.
38 posted on 04/26/2003 6:40:12 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Beware the Fedayeen Rodham!)
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To: djf
"Seattle's Best used to be Seattle's Best. As of last week, they were purchased by Starbucks."

Oh bummer! I hadn't heard. Sure hope they don't ruin it. Starbucks is so strong it will put hair on your chest.

39 posted on 04/26/2003 6:43:19 PM PDT by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: holyscroller
Wal Mart has free coffee in the morning here in Cottonwood, AZ. It is good and strong.
40 posted on 04/26/2003 6:59:32 PM PDT by drdemars
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To: drdemars
Been buying coffe from Coffeeam.com

This is killer coffee - Not rosted to death & nice flavor

Tanzania: Peaberry 5 lb. Bag Now Only: $31.25

Haven had the "balls" to try this yet

India: Mysore "Nuggets" Extra Bold 5 lb. Bag Now Only: $31.75

41 posted on 04/26/2003 7:23:53 PM PDT by listenhillary
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To: drdemars
Folks, visit Cottonwood, Jerome, Clarkdale - my favorite places to take visitors to our wonderful state. I just took some friends on the Verde Valley train ride, where we saw bald eagles on a nest and spectacular views.
42 posted on 04/26/2003 7:25:42 PM PDT by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn.)
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To: mollynme
labelled as "premium" but they were forced to remove this from the labels.
About the same deal with Robert Harris coffee here. But then we have only just begun to see more Starbucks and McCafes here. Not too impressed with either - won't go back to starbucks after paying NZD $3 for tea - souring milk, in a mug, no teapot. McCafe do better tea, but might as well drink the restaurant coffee. Fortunately there are some really good cafes here in Palmy North - and a great coffee house. They used to be next to the library - the smell of freshly roasting coffee and aromatic food from the cafe on a cold day - fuels the appetite.
My favourite though - Ethiopian Harrar. Haven't seen it of sale for a while. Best coffee around. Sigh...
43 posted on 04/26/2003 7:37:13 PM PDT by New Zealander
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To: Wonder Warthog
South Louisiana still roasts (and consumes) some of the best coffee in the world---Starbucks is horse urine by comparison.

You got dat right! AIIIEEE!!

44 posted on 04/26/2003 10:27:56 PM PDT by uglybiker (Just got new boots. Lookin' for a peacenik's face to try 'em out on.)
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To: sine_nomine; drdemars
I guess we'll all have to meet at Wal-Mart for coffee sometime. ;-)
45 posted on 04/26/2003 10:38:27 PM PDT by uglybiker (Just got new boots. Lookin' for a peacenik's face to try 'em out on.)
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To: New Zealander
I'm fond of the Ethiopian "Moka Harrar" myself...
and I used to roast coffee commercially.
Kinda had my pick of high-grade arabica's---
in fact, basically HAD to brew and sample consistantly,
which helped me coax certain aspects out of the coffee, and helped guide the choosing of which particular bags of green coffee to buy-- and from whom.
I like all the good ones, hehehe...
Dozens---if one counts all the "Estate' coffees from Central America, too.

At times, the Ethiopian Yrgecheffe can be outstanding.
And I love it when the Kenya really sings, and has depth, complexity, decent 'body'...
One particular Central American country has a couple of Estates that can produce almost Kenya-like cup outlines...
And good Guatemala coffee can stand alone...but usually we blended it with various others.

I don't roast anymore, but I did
recently, on a machine that used to be owned by Tully's...situated not 100 yards from where I'm now sitting.
But I can't say that I'm overly fond of that machine---
since I've had better results on a smaller roaster, all in all.

Blend the Harrar with Java Estate (preferably, most usually one particular Estate, there being five
government recognized, sanctioned Estates on Java), and one has a reasonable facsimile of the oldest coffee blend in the world. But it can vary a large amount, according to the coffees themselves, and just how they're roasted.
(it's not all about how dark, or how light colored it ends up--but also just how one get's 'em there...)

As a variation on a theme, there are a few roasters who utilize Sumatra Mandheling, instead of, or in addition to
Java Estate, blending with Harrar or Sidamo.
To this, one can add some Columbian and/or Central American, for yet another common blend type.
Not my favorite, but drinkable.

Usually I like sraight varietals the best.
One can roast the same bean, to two or three different degrees of roast, and add another bean (or not) for a 'blend', too.

Blending AFter roasting is usually best, for reasons of
subtle differences in size and moisture content of the beans, not to mention whatever collodial reactions are taking place before, as the beans go through pyrolysis...but I'm told if one blends the green coffee together and leave it for a day (or a few?), then the moisture evens out somewhat.
Never had a moisture meter to test it---but would like to,
just to see...
Would also like to use, uh---light spectrum analysis?
Just to get an idea of what's REALLy in the various beans.
Which could help one understand better what chemical reactions were going one (by pulling samples during the roasting process). Everything is chemistry, on one level...

From what I understand, the Brazilian Bourbon Santos Arabicas used to be wonderful---but the botanical variety existing today isn't quit the same as it was three hundred years ago.
I've been unhappy with most of the Brazilian arabica that
i was forced to roast (and find a 'home' in a blend for!).
Otherwise, most of Brazil's crop IS robusta
which most specialty roasters do not use---BUT---a few select regions or estates(?) can produce a 'sweet' brew with outstanding crema. From what I understand, the Europeans blend certain Brazilian robusta's into their espresso for the reasons I mention above.

The Vietnamese robusta, I'm also told, is what has been driving the costs of green coffee down, and helping to hold it there, as more trees mature, putting yet again more product on the world market. Never tried it though...to my knowledge.

Columbian coffee isn't what it used to be, either.
Some (not all) of the very best types of arabica trees have been replaced by types of arabicas that produce similar cup (taste) profiles, but lack, compared with what came out of there in the seventies.

As I hear it---the U.S. government, in it's "war on drugs"
went to some of the places that had gone "coke", and convinced 'em to replant with a type of tree that produced more than their previously existing trees did, but as a by-product, had less "intensity" in flavours.
Other good trees might well have been replaced by this higher producing type, too.

I hope some of the best areas and producers can get it together to have "Estate" Columbian.
I'm not tellin' any areas I'm watchin--since Charbucks would probably go try to buy the entire crop--like they do much of the best of the Java!!! (the dirty *&^%$@#s!!!)
Then they go and half burn it!
Or was that just the Vietnamese robusta?

Peat's coffee houses have coffee much superior to most of what charbucks offers...though I admit to enjoying a cup or two from the starburnt ones (by getting a straight varietal if they offered it, and avoiding the 'gazebo' blend! geez--if i did that to central american coffees, i'd be ashamed to sell it! the gazebo is most likely "commercial grade" central's, over roasted to hide certain lacks, and flaws...
so my palate tells me, anyway...)

And I dunno, but I'd bet San Francisco has coffee houses that rival (cup quality-wise) Seattle.
Last time I was in "the City", several little places I stopped at for coffee, had nice, rich, full bodied brews.
S.F. is amongst U.S. historic coffee "ports", you know...
In fact, many Washington state-based roasters get at least some of their coffee from the green brokers in the Bay Area.
It doesn't matter who roasts the coffee (as long as one is experienced, competent, and gives a damn about quality), but first--it simply HAS to be IN the bean, in the beginning!
Last time I looked, neither S.F. or Seattle, had anything at all, in the way of coffee orchards...as N.Y., Chicago, New Orleans, uh, or Germany don't either---where some of the very best
goes to get de-caffeinated.

Ooh! but your nome 'de geur!
New Zealand has some excellent coffee grown there!


46 posted on 04/26/2003 11:05:14 PM PDT by 7MMmag (igottaproblemwiththiswholeeternityconcept-eachtime ithinki'vearrived--awhole newtrip begins...)
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To: LibKill
A good cup (OK, who am I kidding?) or 6 cups of coffee really make the morning better.

I only drink 1 cup of coffee, most days. Of course, it's a 32 ounce cup.

47 posted on 04/26/2003 11:43:04 PM PDT by exDemMom (W in '04)
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To: Wonder Warthog
This article overlooks completely the history of coffee in New Orleans.

How other Americans can get down that thin brown slop they call coffee is something I can't understand. I have happy memories of the aromas wafting from coffee roasters, enveloping downtown New Orleans and confirming what we already knew about our city's unique appreciation for coffee with body and bite.

48 posted on 04/26/2003 11:57:07 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: KneelBeforeZod
There is no such thing as too much coffee! :-)
49 posted on 04/26/2003 11:58:35 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: tet68
Morning Call isn't really gone; just relocated to the suburbs. The physical ambiance is still intact, even if the lower French Quarter element is long gone. But the coffee is as good as ever, and you still get to powder your own beignets.
50 posted on 04/27/2003 12:00:33 AM PDT by Romulus
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