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Chrétien's Stand Makes the World Safe for Canadians
The Montreal Gazette ^ | April 28, 2003 | Joseph Heath

Posted on 04/28/2003 1:08:28 PM PDT by quidnunc

With all of the hand-wringing over Canada's decision not to get involved in the American-led invasion of Iraq, one little detail has almost escaped public notice. By refusing to participate, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has done more to protect Canadians against terrorist attacks than George W. Bush has done for the United States by attacking.

After the Bali nightclub bombing that killed more than 200 people, including 88 Australians, it started to look as though any and all Westerners could be the target of Al-Qa'ida attacks. Now, thanks to our government's decision to stay out of the war, we can be confident that Canadians are much less likely to be selected as targets by Islamist terrorists.

Everyone seems to take it for granted that tourists around the world can sew little Canadian flags on their backpacks and get treated to a much warmer welcome. We sometimes forget that this love of Canadians isn't part of the fabric of the universe. And it's not because we're such nice folks and everyone in the world somehow knows it. The reason people like Canadians so much is that we refused to participate in the Vietnam War. The moral standing that we enjoy in the world today stems almost entirely from this decision.

When the U.S. starts throwing its military weight around, Canada's resistance makes us very popular with the rest of the world. Setting aside the pros and cons of the American invasion of Iraq, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of the world's population opposed it. Canada is very closely associated, in people's minds, with the United States. Thus, the fact that we refused to knuckle under to American pressure greatly improves our moral standing.

So regardless of whether one agrees with Chrétien's decision or not, everyone should recognize that he has, in effect, made the world a much safer place for Canadians. He has helped to ensure that future generations of backpackers will be able to display their little Canadian flags and once again be received with greater kindness by strangers.

Cynical? Maybe, but still true. Our puny military contribution to the war would have had no effect whatsoever upon its outcome. Yet the impact of Chrétien's decision to stay out has been enormous and has done far more to enhance our security. All the footage of tanks and explosions should not lead us to forget that political action can be vastly more influential than military.

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The fact is the United States is currently practicing what one American commentator described as "foreign policy by snit." And like most snits, it will all blow over soon. … Besides, Chrétien never had a chance with George W. Bush. Bush's attitude toward the French — and that includes anyone who speaks French — is straight out of the Howard Stern school of international diplomacy.

This must be some of that vaunted Canadian moral superiority we hear so much about these days.

1 posted on 04/28/2003 1:08:29 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I think I'm going to throw up.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 1:10:45 PM PDT by alnitak ("That kid's about as sharp as a pound of wet liver" - Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: quidnunc
OH. MY.GOD. We live next to a country governed and reported on by idiot morons.

Prairie
3 posted on 04/28/2003 1:12:18 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We will not deny, ignore or pass our problems on to other Presidents." --GWBush)
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To: quidnunc
If all Canadians felt this way [and it's necessary to remember that Montreal is the second largest French speaking city in the world], the Canadian flag ought to be changed to solid yellow.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 1:12:34 PM PDT by curmudgeonII
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To: quidnunc
Man, this is the dumbest article I've ever read. Keep in mind, it's from the French Canadian Montreal Gazzette. I don't feel one bit safer because of Chretien's decision, after all, how are terrorists abroad going to be able to distinguish us from you?
5 posted on 04/28/2003 1:14:31 PM PDT by IvanT
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To: quidnunc
These morons better worry more about SARS and its effects on their puny pissant country's economy and less about how their ineffectiveness and irrelevance affects the US.
6 posted on 04/28/2003 1:15:15 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: quidnunc
"With all of the hand-wringing over Canada's decision not to get involved in the American-led invasion of Iraq, one little detail has almost escaped public notice. By refusing to participate, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has done more to protect Canadians against terrorist attacks than George W. Bush has done for the United States by attacking."

Maybe he should read this news item about the suitcase full of anthrax heading for Canada and having been discovered because a sailor died, and how many others haven't been discovered?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901851/posts

Is Chretien admitting that he is gave in to terrorist blackmail to not support us?

I wonder what's in the Iraqi dossiers about him.
7 posted on 04/28/2003 1:15:15 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: quidnunc
Riiiight...and I wonder how Creatin's (sic) association to TotalFinaElf played into his "moral superiority." I'm sure Al-Queda will be sure to look for tiny canadian flags on backpacks before their next attack. These folks just don't get it.
8 posted on 04/28/2003 1:16:01 PM PDT by Desecrated (A nickel of every tax dollar should go toward the defense of America)
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To: quidnunc
Canada is very closely associated, in people's minds, with the United States. Thus, the fact that we refused to knuckle under to American pressure greatly improves our moral standing.

But not with the United States, it doesen't. You will pay, you feckless Canuckians... How about we make border crossings very unpleasant? Oh, and Don't pat youself on the back too hard, you might get hurt.

9 posted on 04/28/2003 1:16:21 PM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: quidnunc
Quintessentially French Canadian.
10 posted on 04/28/2003 1:16:51 PM PDT by white trash redneck
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To: FairOpinion
Maybe he should read this news item about the suitcase full of anthrax heading for Canada and having been discovered because a sailor died, and how many others haven't been discovered?

Indeed, it's ironic that there also happen to be some Canadian Frigates in the immediate area as well. This article is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read, what a totally lame spin.

11 posted on 04/28/2003 1:17:00 PM PDT by IvanT
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To: quidnunc
Canada? Where's Canada? How many countries might ban Canadian travellers because of the SARs situation? I travel a lot to the Dominican Republic where there are a lot of Candian ex-pats and tourists. I'll wave my American passport around so that I am not confused with someone bringing in SARs from Toronto. Nothing against Canadians, but I think the article is extremely lame.
12 posted on 04/28/2003 1:17:48 PM PDT by NYDave
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To: quidnunc
Hey, Cretin - your candy shipment is ready..

13 posted on 04/28/2003 1:18:11 PM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: quidnunc
My long held suspicion that Quebec was inhabited by hopeless and clueless clymers -- has been confirmed...

It MUST be in the French genetic footprint - to be back stabbing cowards.

They wish to be loved by the world --- and angry at no one - so long as they are killing non-Canadians...
They mistake being irrelevant with being admired.

These Canadians bear CLOSE watching.

Semper Fi
14 posted on 04/28/2003 1:18:23 PM PDT by river rat (War works......It brings Peace... Give war a chance to destroy Jihadists...)
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To: curmudgeonII
the Canadian flag ought to be changed to solid yellow.

The color of the quarantine flag. Dual purpose color.

15 posted on 04/28/2003 1:18:47 PM PDT by js1138
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To: IvanT
In follow up, I mention our patrol vessels, because their mere presence there means the gov't considers the ship a threat, so right there, that discount this idiots article.
16 posted on 04/28/2003 1:19:07 PM PDT by IvanT
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To: IvanT
In follow up, I mention our patrol vessels, because their mere presence there means the gov't considers the ship a threat, so right there, that discount this idiots article.
17 posted on 04/28/2003 1:19:08 PM PDT by IvanT
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To: quidnunc
By refusing to participate, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has done more to protect Canadians against terrorist attacks than George W. Bush has done for the United States by attacking.

The thing that ultimately protects Canadians more than anything else is America's military might and her good will towards her neighbor to the north.

The ability of (some) Candians to suckle at America's teat while pretending the rest of the world respects them confirms the difference in the two countries' paths to independence. America won hers. Canada whined for hers.

18 posted on 04/28/2003 1:20:10 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: quidnunc
What a pathetic, snivelling pultroon.
19 posted on 04/28/2003 1:20:29 PM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: quidnunc
Bush's attitude toward the French — and that includes anyone who speaks French — is straight out of the Howard Stern school of international diplomacy.

What kind of crack is that? Dubya displayed no animosity to the French before their recent antics in shilling for Saddam. This articule is very dishonest.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 1:21:14 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: quidnunc
It should ALSO be observed that our Canadian neighbors are SAFER, because America would protect them, regardless of their INSANE, self-serving policies.

21 posted on 04/28/2003 1:21:20 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: quidnunc
So regardless of whether one agrees with Chrétien's decision or not, everyone should recognize that he has, in effect, made the world a much safer place for Canadians.

They have no shame...I would rather die as a fighting American than live as a cowardly, terrorist a$$ licking Canadian.....it's gonna be real hard to feel any sorrow when they are attacked.

22 posted on 04/28/2003 1:21:22 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: quidnunc
Setting aside the pros and cons of the American invasion of Iraq, the fact remains that the overwhelming majority of the world's population opposed it. Canada is very closely associated, in people's minds, with the United States. Thus, the fact that we refused to knuckle under to American pressure greatly improves our moral standing.

So regardless of whether one agrees with Chrétien's decision or not, everyone should recognize that he has, in effect, made the world a much safer place for Canadians.

What a wonderfully direct and concise example of the mindset plaguing the European world.

Forget about what may be right, wrong, or in the best interests of your country or the world at large; if you act, people might not like it.

Better to give in to the demands of evil people and hide quaking in the shadows so no one will be mean to you. Better to ignore the pleas of your allies and of suffering people than to be disliked by dictators, fanatics, and hate-filled ignorant serfs in far away lands.

I feel terrible for those Canadians who still have some life in them and have to be associated with cowards like this.

23 posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:15 PM PDT by timm22
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To: FairOpinion
"Is Chretien admitting that he is gave in to terrorist blackmail to not support us?"

Yes.

24 posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:30 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: quidnunc
Joseph Heath holds the Canada Research Chair in Ethics and Political Economy at the Université de Montréal.

and probably related some way to DeGenova of Columbia

25 posted on 04/28/2003 1:22:31 PM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: quidnunc
Now, thanks to our government's decision to stay out of the war, we can be confident that Canadians are much less likely to be selected as targets by Islamist terrorists.

No, Canada is safe because, like New Zealand, no one cares what you think, do, or say.

26 posted on 04/28/2003 1:23:59 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (Compassionate Conservative Curmudgeon)
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To: quidnunc
By refusing to participate, Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has done more to protect Canadians against terrorist attacks than George W. Bush has done for the United States by attacking.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945

I guess it can apply to nations as well. By refusing to participate, Canada (Chretien) refuses to speak up, because it's not Canada. What a dolt.

27 posted on 04/28/2003 1:24:12 PM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: quidnunc
24 Canadians died on 9/11/2001 and many more are still vulnerable, regardless of what the Canadian government says about US policies in Iraq.
28 posted on 04/28/2003 1:25:19 PM PDT by wesdale
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To: quidnunc
Dang! Just when the Vast Anti-Canadian Conspiracy was getting into full swing.
29 posted on 04/28/2003 1:27:22 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: truth_seeker
Canada has been living under the umbrella of the U.S. defense for years and sucking off our tit. They are not paying their way, yet spout off with this inane nonsense.
They have not earned the right to have an opinion.
30 posted on 04/28/2003 1:30:42 PM PDT by ndafill
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To: alnitak
Chretien promised a goose to lay golden eggs, but they turned out to be lemons.

So, Mr. Heath is trying to make lemonade.

So, Canadians appear to be safer by kowtowing to the followers of the Religion of Peace and the one world under bureacratic dictatorship.

Who's to say Canadians won't be collateral damage in acts committed by those courageous Palestinian Freedom Fighters?

So, Canadians like paying extortion.

Canadians like paying a hundreds of millions in tax dollars for a gun registry that doesn't work.

Canadians like giving refuge to wanted murderers.

Canadians want citizens back that other nations want for terrorism.

BFD.

If Canada wants to help reduce tensions in the world, take back Peter Jennings and Ashley Talibanfield.

If they want to get a leg up on the US by being so highly moral, they can host the UN.

That, and maybe giving away free anti-SARS masks to the rest of the continent.

31 posted on 04/28/2003 1:31:48 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: alnitak
Chretien promised a goose to lay golden eggs, but they turned out to be lemons.

So, Mr. Heath is trying to make lemonade.

So, Canadians appear to be safer by kowtowing to the followers of the Religion of Peace and the one world under bureacratic dictatorship.

Who's to say Canadians won't be collateral damage in acts committed by those courageous Palestinian Freedom Fighters?

So, Canadians like paying extortion.

Canadians like paying a hundreds of millions in tax dollars for a gun registry that doesn't work.

Canadians like giving refuge to wanted murderers.

Canadians want citizens back that other nations want for terrorism.

BFD.

If Canada wants to help reduce tensions in the world, take back Peter Jennings and Ashley Talibanfield.

If they want to get a leg up on the US by being so highly moral, they can host the UN.

That, and maybe giving away free anti-SARS masks to the rest of the continent.

32 posted on 04/28/2003 1:32:12 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: quidnunc
Cowardice always looks like a good short-term strategy, especially by those who choose to hide under beds during thrunderstorms. However, cowards have a price to pay, when the threat is ended by the courage of others.

France will pay its price. Canada will pay its price. And the fool who wrote this article will be first in line to complain about economic and social consequences for Canada. As the saying goes, "Wake up and smell the coffee."

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, now up on UPI or FR, "All-American Arrogance"

Latest book(let), "to Restore Trust in America."

Also, latest article on UPI, "The New Iraqi Constitution," is also up on FR.

33 posted on 04/28/2003 1:32:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob ("Saddam has left the building. Heck, the building has left the building.")
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To: IvanT
Right with you Ivan. Please take all things posted by ye olde source with a pinch of salt. I just enjoy any criticism though- even of my adopted country Canada. What things an Englishman will put up with to hear and read honest old American free speech.

Cliche here. Having said that My adopted city of Sault Ste Marie, has a long tradition of service in the wars. Yellow is unkind. Anyway, forgive this little homily. My friend who has long roots in First Nations history, has his Canadian born son, out there right now with the American Forces- he has dual rights of course. Others from this area are also serving with - and are of the American forces.

Anyway, Edmund Burke was right and also Voltaire. Free Speech for all and nuts to calling Canada yellow.

34 posted on 04/28/2003 1:32:38 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: quidnunc
The degree of Canadian safety is in direct proportion to American military strength and resolve - i.e., if the US falls, Canada is next. Or the terrorists may have finally figured out that it is smarter to pick off the weak ones first instead of attacking the strongest - in which case, Canada is in deep doodoo especially since it has p!ssed off its neighbor.
35 posted on 04/28/2003 1:33:03 PM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: quidnunc
Brings to mind something Churchill said about nations appeasing the Nazi's prior to WWII ... likening it to being thrust into a swamp with an alligator, by appeasement ... hoping to be the last one the alligator eats.
36 posted on 04/28/2003 1:34:27 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: quidnunc
Were he in France during WWII, he would have pointed out the Jews so he could live safely under the Nazis. This, unfortunately was the norm.

So he is in keeping with his French heritage.

Someone should fumigate Canada. Forget France. It is past hope and on its way to third world status.
37 posted on 04/28/2003 1:36:35 PM PDT by KeyWest
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To: quidnunc
It doesn't surprise me that the Montreal Gazette would print this rubbish.

The Gazette claims to be the representative newspaper of Quebec's English-speaking minority, but it has long pursued an editorial policy of appeasing the Quebec nationalists.

Old habits die hard.

38 posted on 04/28/2003 1:39:28 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: FairOpinion
this jerk forgets Afghanistan, where Canadian military is, the real concern of Islamists, not Iraq.
39 posted on 04/28/2003 1:41:58 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: quidnunc
Ooops, he spoke a day too soon. It looks like an anthrax-laden ship was headed to - drumroll please ---- CANADA! That's right appeasers, you are the proud owners of the newest terrorist base. Your kind words and open arms have convinced international terrorists to base their operations out of you lovely, peaceful, appeasing country. Best of luck to you. Don't call if you need help.
40 posted on 04/28/2003 1:49:00 PM PDT by LibertyJihad
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To: quidnunc

April 28, 2003

Committed and Abused: Were Quebec's Orphans Used as Guinea Pigs?

By Christine Hahn Special to Freedom

For many people, sitting near a body of water is a relaxing experience. For Clarina Duguay of Quebec, it inspires terrifying memories from her childhood—memories so painful she can scarcely find words to express them more than 50 years later.

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The shy, soft-spoken, 65-year-old Duguay is one of the Canadian province of Quebec’s infamous Duplessis Orphans, a group of more than 5,000 children whose parents handed them over to Catholic orphanages during the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, promised their children would receive a “good education.”

 

Instead, psychiatrists falsely declared them mentally ill or severely retarded and warehoused them in psychiatric hospitals, enabling the Quebec government under former Premier Maurice Duplessis to receive a bounty of federal funding for their care.

To date, investigations into the Duplessis Orphans have focused primarily on actions of Catholic Church officials who managed the orphanages and psychiatric hospitals.

 

But in an apparent move to stymie any further probing into past crimes or misconduct and those responsible, on September 26, 2001, the Quebec government passed legislation to bar Orphans from taking legal action against the Quebec government or Catholic Church officials, in exchange for a paltry settlement of $10,000 per person. If an Orphan refuses to sign the agreement, he forfeits his right to even that compensation.

 

As a result, Orphans say, one key group never held accountable for its fundamental role in their abuse may now get away with it too: the psychiatrists who signed bogus orders labeling them “mentally ill”, committing them to a living hell.

Human Guinea Pigs?

The need for further inquiry into the case of the Orphans is apparent, as an investigation supported by the Fund for Investigative Journalism in Washington, D.C., has revealed something even more sinister on the part of psychiatrists than signing away the lives of normal, healthy children as mental misfits, invoking the specter of psychiatric programs under the Nazi regime in Germany.

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The Orphans’ medical records and recollections of the Orphans themselves suggest the children were exploited as human guinea pigs for a new drug, chlorpromazine.

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Chlorpromazine—known today by its trade names of Largactil in Canada and Thorazine in the United States—was synthesized in France before World War II for use as an anesthetic. In the years since, it has been invested with such epithets as the “chemical billy club” or “chemical lobotomy” because of its mental and physical consequences—including a “complication” known as tardive dyskinesia, a central nervous system disorder that includes involuntary, grotesque facial and body movements.

 

For the children, the drug submerged them in a nightmare from which they could never awaken. The purpose for the drugging and the extent and consequences of testing, including deaths, are continuing to be investigated by Freedom.

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Some of the Orphans interned at St. Jean-de-Dieu Hospital remember being treated by Ewen Cameron, the psychiatrist who conducted appalling and inhuman experiments on human subjects at Allan Memorial Institute of McGill University as part of the notorious “mind-control” programs of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency from the late 1940s through the early- to mid-1960s.

 

Bruno Roy, president of the Duplessis Orphans Committee, examined records of hundreds of Orphans, and said that Cameron’s name, indeed, showed up in children’s records.

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Cameron was known to use chlorpromazine in his experiments, combining drugs, electric shock, lobotomies and other savage incursions on patients.

 

His associate Heinz Lehmann, who did undergraduate and postgraduate teaching at McGill and became clinical director at Allan Memorial in 1958, is regarded as the psychiatrist who discovered the use of chlorpromazine on psychiatric patients in 1953 (see accompanying story).

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Yet today, evidence reveals the Duplessis Orphans, railroaded into psychiatric hospitals as retarded and mentally ill, were being administered the powerful drug as early as 1947 with debilitating effects.

As defenseless children, unaware of their rights and without a voice, the horrifying truth about their experiences were hidden from public view.

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Wasted Lives

Two years after arriving at her orphanage in 1946, Clarina Duguay was transferred to St. Julien Hospital, an insane asylum more than 1,000 kilometers from her home.

Duguay experienced appalling treatment at St. Julien.

 

“They would plunge our heads into ice-cold water if we did something wrong,” she said, adding that to this day, water terrifies her. She described being tied to a bed with a collar, and having to scrub floors seemingly without end.

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Duguay was told by the nuns that her mother had become psychotic and had died as a patient in another psychiatric hospital. In fact, her mother died of tuberculosis two years after the nuns claimed she had passed away.

 

Two weeks after arriving at St. Julien, Duguay vividly recalls being given medicine that the nuns said would make her sleep. The medicine, however, did much more than that.

 

“It made me into a zombie,” she said. “I had no energy, I was always feeling sleepy, had a hard time getting up. I was getting the drug every night. I have a hard time remembering, which I think is because of the drug.”

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Duguay and other Orphans say that while the province failed to provide them with records from their first years at their institutions, the drug they received was the same one all along, identified as chlorpromazine in later records.

 

Francois Lantagne was a frightened, 9-year-old boy in 1946 when he was sent to St. Michel Archange psychiatric hospital. Born out of wedlock, his mother did not have enough money to raise him.

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Lantagne was regularly placed in a straitjacket and subjected to ice-cold showers. Like Duguay, he received chlorpromazine every night at bedtime.

Today, Lantagne has been on welfare for 35 years.

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“They have wasted my life,” he said.

Joseph Martin was only 5 1/2 years old in 1938 when his parents placed him in Montreal’s Buisonnet Institute. Shortly after that, he was transferred to St. Jean-De-Dieu Hospital, where he remained until 1956. Martin said he was given a variety of “purple and pink pills” and chlorpromazine.

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Alice Quinton said she started to receive chlorpromazine when she was 13—three times a day by pill and injection.

“I felt sleepy all the time, like when you get operated on,” she said. “When I woke up, I did not know where I was. I was having nightmares and my heart was always beating fast. I felt anxious.”

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The drugging continued behind the walls of St. Julien until Quinton was 23.

Justice Sought

Rod Vienneau, Clarina Duguay’s husband, investigated his wife’s past and said that from the early 1990s, when the Orphans began fighting for justice, they all told the same story: from the time they arrived at the psychiatric facilities until they left, they received chlorpromazine.

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When they requested their medical records, the early ones—during the period the drug would have been undergoing testing—were not provided to them, said Vienneau.

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However, he said, “every one of the Orphans has told the same story. They all say that the drug was the same one they were given all along. They have no reason to lie. Three thousand people cannot all be lying.”

Vienneau said the Orphans have demanded that the psychiatrists involved—some of whom are still living—be charged with crimes against humanity.

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“We would like to see real justice for the thousands of innocent young children and survivors who day after day had to endure unimaginable torture, being used as guinea pigs for experimental drugs at the hands of criminal psychiatrists and religious orders,” said Vienneau.

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Hundreds of Unexplained Deaths

Vienneau compared the cold water plunges and the drug use to experiments performed on children in Nazi-run concentration camps in Europe.

 

“This has been a conspiracy of silence from the beginning,” he said. “The province of Quebec was just another Auschwitz.”

Michel Lebel, a former Montreal police officer who specialized in investigating cases against children, said the crimes against the Orphans went far beyond drugging and physical abuse. Lebel has discovered unexplained deaths of hundreds of Orphans and many examples of bogus paperwork in their cases.

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When children died, he explained, as yet unidentified persons within the psychiatric system simply came up with phony new identities, fabricating records to replace those deceased so funding could continue. “Some of these kids died and were reborn 10 times,” said Lebel, now a freelance journalist.

 

Compounding such deception in cases of those who died, he said, is the longtime maltreatment of survivors. According to Lebel, “This was an organized crime against humanity.”

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What Vienneau, Lebel and others point to are parallels between occurrences in Canada and Germany, where orphans were warehoused in psychiatric facilities and victimized as experimental subjects. The parallel is drawn not to Nazi atrocities, but rather to the crimes of German psychiatrists in their institutions. As it is now widely known, the eugenics theories in vogue in Nazi-run Germany were not limited to that country.

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The practice of removing “undesirables” from Canadian society was already firmly in place before the Duplessis Orphans. In Alberta, starting in 1928, close to 3,000 youth deemed “mentally unfit” were surgically altered without their knowledge or consent under the Sexual Sterilization Act. The sterilizations stopped and the law was repealed in 1972 after the atrocities were exposed by the Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Canada.

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Peter Breggin, psychiatrist, author and founder of the Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology in Bethesda, Maryland, said that “medical murder” found support at the highest levels of Canadian and American psychiatry. He points to examples like influential psychiatrist Foster Kennedy, who at the 1941 annual meeting of the American Psychiatric Association called for the extermination of retarded children over the age of five.

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Breggin said Kennedy’s goal was to relieve the “utterly unfit” and “nature’s mistakes” of the “agony of living” and to save their parents and the state the cost of caring for them.

These speciously compassionate phrases were virtually the same ones used to describe the Orphans, said Michel Lebel.

A Call for Open Records

University of British Columbia Professor Emeritus Sally Rogow wrote in Hitler’s Unwanted Children that although it has been widely held that Hitler’s regime killed children with actual disabilities, in fact thousands of healthy orphans in Germany were murdered or used for drug experiments.

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In both Quebec and Germany, the truth behind what happened to the children was covered up with phony paperwork and bogus reports to parents by psychiatrists. Children were moved without informing families.

 

In Germany, wrote Rogow, “Children who were transferred to state institutions from religious homes and schools were moved from place to place without informing their families where they were located. Many parents could not keep track of their children.”

Clarina Duguay’s father, who lived in Cape D’Espoir, Quebec, was not even aware his daughter had been transferred from the orphanage to St. Julien Hospital, a psychiatric facility 1,000 kilometers away, until she escaped several years later.

Rogow also reported that German children were used as guinea pigs in drug experiments.

 

“Many a doctoral dissertation was based on the experiments performed on living, conscious children. ... Children were injected with drugs, sugar and other chemicals to test their reactions. Generous research grants were given to support this kind of research,” she wrote.

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The Duplessis Orphans were given chlorpromazine starting in the late 1940s and continuing into the 1960s, as well as other drugs.

In Germany, when children died in the euthanasia institutions, grief-stricken parents tried to bring legal action against them. In response, the Nazi government issued a legal decree in 1941 preventing them from doing so.

So the passage of legislation in Quebec on September 26 brings yet another chilling analogy.

“Enforced secrecy is contrary to democracy and the spirit of freedom,” said Bob Dobson-Smith of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights.

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In the case of the Duplessis Orphans, he noted, those whom secrecy benefits most are the psychiatrists accountable for confining and treating the Orphans. “What is needed,” he said, “is to open {all} records and find out what happened, who was responsible, who knew about any mistreatment or crimes, and when they knew it. Only then can we bring appropriate parties to justice and finally close this chapter in our history.”

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41 posted on 04/28/2003 2:05:57 PM PDT by thinking
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To: quidnunc
This guy's head is so far up his Canadian a$$ that I don't think he will ever see daylight again! Go ahead and continue your friendship with terrorists you little wimp....one day they are going to turn on you and just like France, you will surrender because we all know how uncapable your military is!
42 posted on 04/28/2003 2:06:56 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Peter Libra
To self: Forgot to comment on the actual subject. As we speak "The worst case of terrorism in Canadian history is finally coming to trial" (Quoting Canadian Press. Vancouver).

It was in 1985 that an Air India Flight from Vancouver to New Delhi blew up. A suitcase bomb was aboard. 329 innocent souls died over the Irish Sea.

Flawed thinking here about Canada being protected. If this was followed through logically, the two accused should be set free Now. They are of a huge Sikh community in British Columbia.

They seek a separate state, to secede from India- Khalistan. Following through, one could say, if these terrorists are punished- more bombings will follow. The Canadian Government obviously is determined to crush their OWN domestic terrorism- after all 25 years in jail,which they may get, ain't appeasment.

43 posted on 04/28/2003 2:25:21 PM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: quidnunc
Cynical? Maybe

Yes, cynical is a good word. Craven also. How about just plain yellow?

44 posted on 04/28/2003 2:27:36 PM PDT by Inyokern
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To: quidnunc
I had thought about a fly fishing trip to Canada this summer or early fall. No way.

We will not be buying any Canadian raised farm salmon, ocean caught salmon or smoked salmon for awhile.

There will be no Canadian beer or bottled water in this household.

There will be no Canadian Maple Syrup for a long time.

Does anyone have anything to add?

Just cancelling vacations and business trips to Canada will have an immediate impact on their economy.
45 posted on 04/28/2003 2:35:35 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: quidnunc
After the Bali nightclub bombing that killed more than 200 people, including 88 Australians, it started to look as though any and all Westerners could be the target of Al-Qa'ida attacks. Now, thanks to our government's decision to stay out of the war, we can be confident that Canadians are much less likely to be selected as targets by Islamist terrorists.

The author's cowardly assumptions will turn out to be wrong in the long run. The U.S. is demonstrating that if you terrorrize here, you will die. If you support those who terrorize here, you will die. The world is starting to take notice that terror in the U.S. has sever adverse consequences. Canada, on the other hand, through appeasement, has made itself a potential target. It lacks the ability to strike back at terrorism itself, and has stupidly disacossiated itself from the one country who is willing and able to strike back.

There are two ways to avoid being picked on. Be big and strong yourself or have a big and strong best friend. Can Canada call itself our best friend in the war on terrot?

46 posted on 04/28/2003 2:37:59 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: quidnunc
Besides the Sars problem in Canada, they may have an Anthrax problem.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901851/posts

BRASILIA, Brazil (Reuters) - A crew member of an Egyptian merchant ship has died in northern Brazil, almost certainly from anthrax, after opening a suitcase suspected of containing the substance which he was taking to Canada.

A spokesman for Brazilian federal police in the Amazon state of Para said on Monday an autopsy of the Egyptian man, whom he named as Ibrahim Saved Soliman Ibrahim, showed that he had died after vomiting, internal bleeding and multiple organ failure.

"He was the victim of anthrax," said Castro, adding that police were 90 percent certain that Ibrahim had died of anthrax.

Ibrahim died in the hotel were he was staying on April 11. Several health workers who found his body were taken to a hospital after becoming ill but are now out of danger.

Ibrahim had traveled to Brazil from Cairo to join his ship, the Wabi Alaras, which loaded bauxite in the Amazon to take to Canada.

"We imagine that this is about bioterrorism and Brazil was just used as a point of transfer," said Castro.

Ibrahim died before his ship sailed to Canada, where it was quarantined by authorities last week.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/901851/posts

47 posted on 04/28/2003 2:38:56 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: quidnunc
This is an excellent outcome for the Canadians. To show their appreciation, the radical Islamists will kill them last.
48 posted on 04/28/2003 2:41:42 PM PDT by exDem from Miami
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To: truth_seeker
"It should ALSO be observed that our Canadian neighbors are SAFER, because America would protect them, regardless of their INSANE, self-serving policies. "

I wouldn't be so sure of that-- I wouldn't be willing to see one drop of American blood spilled to protect a LOT of countries. Top of that list is France, of course, but Canada climbs higher every day.
49 posted on 04/28/2003 2:42:05 PM PDT by walden
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To: Grampa Dave
I intend to vacation and travel in the good ol' US of A for at least the next few years. Lots of advantages--no border Customs, no problems with the water, no currency to exchange. Lots of stuff to visit and coutnry to see right here.

I happily paid a few extra cents to purchase American maple syrup the other day.

Prairie
50 posted on 04/28/2003 2:49:30 PM PDT by prairiebreeze ("We will not deny, ignore or pass our problems on to other Presidents." --GWBush)
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