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Mass murder and green ideology
BrookesNews.Com ^ | 25 April 2003 | Gerard Jackson

Posted on 04/28/2003 1:55:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

It is no exaggeration to say that the twentieth century has probably been the most momentous of any other. It gave birth to the greatest technological marvels in human history. It also fought the bloodiest and most extensive wars in history, simultaneously fighting virtually over the globe.

It was also been the century that saw the rise and fall of totalitarianism — or did it? Ideology is the foundation stone of every totalitarian structure, whether it be Communism, Nazism or Fascism. Not any ideology, of course, but one that justifies the subjection and destruction of one's fellow man.

Totalitarianism means what it says: total control. The ideology rationalises that control and the use of the power needed to enforce it. Totalitarianism brings home with bloody force Lord Acton's dictum that absolute power not only tends to corrupt but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

One only has to read Lord Liverpool's account of Nazi atrocities or other books like Victor Kravchenko's I Chose Freedom, Nikoli Tolstoy's Stalin's Secret War, Robert Conquest's The Harvest of Sorrow, Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago to realise the savage horrors of totalitarianism.

The appalling role that Western intellectuals played in supporting totalitarianism has been amply documented by genuine scholars. (See, for example, Paul Hollander's Political Pilgrims). That many, if not most, of these intellectuals are irredeemable is borne out by the depressing fact that in Australia we still have university lecturers who have never apologised for supporting Mao Tse Tung or Pol Pot. Instead, these same intellectuals still use every opportunity to attack what they deem capitalist countries.

The delusion that a humane totalitarianism is possible was exploded by Hayek's brilliant book The Road to Serfdom which lucidly explained why the worst will always get to the top in any totalitarian state.

All of this brings us to the greens. Not because most of them are obviously anti-capitalist and therefore socialists, but because of their contempt for human welfare, except their own. One thing that marks out a totalitarian movement is its contempt for human life. In this respect the greens stand shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis and the Reds. It was green ideologues that forced through the totally unjustified ban on DDT. A ban that killed over 20 million Third-World peasants and is still killing about 2 million a year.

A ban that causes immense misery and pain to those who are least able to defend themselves. Yet greens refuse to acknowledge this misery. Why? Because they despise the victims; the untermenschen whose aspirations for a better life challenge the comfortable existence of the Herrenvolk. That is why Greens still support the ban. That is why they violently oppose economic growth; that is why they oppose cheap energy, genetic engineering, man-made pesticides, intensive agriculture, etc.

Why else do you think prominent greens could callously advocate a policy of denying starving peasants aid in food. And this is why Dr Charles Wurster defended the ban on DDT, because in his own words, "this is as good away to get rid of them [people] as any". And this was while he was still chief scientist for the Environmental Defence Fund. As expected, the EDF did not repudiate his views.

No, our totalitarian greens do not use gas chambers, death camps, firing squads or torture chambers to rid themselves of the lesser people. What they try to do is deny them life-saving chemicals and technology. Green policies are killing millions of peasants. This is mass murder and those responsible should be held to account.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial
KEYWORDS: ddt; deathcultivation; enviralists; environment; greens; totalitarian; un
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1 posted on 04/28/2003 1:55:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Excellent article, it describes quite a few ideologues and "intellectuals" that I have known.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 2:04:39 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"One thing that marks out a totalitarian movement is its contempt for human life. In this respect the greens stand shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis and the Reds."

And Democrats.

3 posted on 04/28/2003 2:05:11 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tailgunner Joe
This guy hit the nail on the head. I'm filing this for future reference.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 2:08:15 PM PDT by tiki
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"In this respect the greens stand shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis and the Reds."

I read that the greenies want to have an area parrallel with the Mississippi that is several hundred miles wide "de-populated" to allow for animals to roam freely from north to south in the US.

Yep, no future for humans in their agenda.
5 posted on 04/28/2003 2:08:46 PM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Maybe this "Army Of One" is a good thing - You Gotta Admire the 3rd Infantry Accomplishments)
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To: *Enviralists; farmfriend; madfly
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
6 posted on 04/28/2003 2:14:37 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Howard Stern had a caller today who was a "vegan". Quite the idealist. She's 17, headed to UCLA and wants to start a club there for fellow greens/vegans (like they don't have one already).

She was asked if she would approve for her mother to receive a heart from a pig if it was the only way to save her mom's life. She said she couldn't, because who was she to say one animal is superior to another.

The problem in this logic is that she has already made that choice, and determined the pig is more valuable than her mother. If they are truly equal you'd flip a coin or something.
7 posted on 04/28/2003 2:16:06 PM PDT by sharktrager
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the post.

This article could also be describing Kyoto and the reasons for mass starvation in countries where the UN is responsible for getting food aid to the filthy peasants....err....poor, downtrodden masses.

8 posted on 04/28/2003 2:23:22 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
SMASH THE WATERMELONS!!!
9 posted on 04/28/2003 2:24:29 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"[T]the greens stand shoulder to shoulder with the Nazis and the Reds."

I'm no greenie, but antagonistic hotheads like this who write in such ludicrous broad strokes will accomplish nothing to work the types of wise compromise needed to ensure the future of our kids (who currently haven't the right to vote) so that we all can work, eat, stay healthy, and carry on life. He makes me want to say, "Talk to the elbow because the hand ain't listening," and I am (generally) on his side.
10 posted on 04/28/2003 2:34:25 PM PDT by thetruckster
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To: sharktrager
Well, the pig may not be more valuable than this girl's mother, but it's probably smarter. I mean, let's face it, mom raised this twit, have you ever seen a pig raise its offpsring to act like that?
11 posted on 04/28/2003 2:34:37 PM PDT by Anamensis (Ithaca, Hollywood... America is like an oreo cookie; the good stuff's in the middle.)
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To: sharktrager
"If they are truly equal you'd flip a coin or something."

Darned good point!

12 posted on 04/28/2003 2:37:30 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: thetruckster
He should have said there is no such thing as gentale socialism or communism, instead of totalitarianism, because socialism and communism, no matter what improvements you think you're making which, in theory, correct mistakes of the past, socialism is always totalitarian. Totalitarianism is the only way to keep the masses in line in a socialist system.

Because the Nazis and Reds are totalitarian, all social communsts stand shoulder with them. Including the Greens, which are socialists and social anarchists; and therefore totalitarian.

13 posted on 04/28/2003 2:47:44 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

14 posted on 04/28/2003 3:20:14 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

15 posted on 04/28/2003 3:22:27 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I must be lost. How did DDT come to play in this article? I'm all for hammering on the Greens and totalitarianism, but that and most other pesticides are simply unneccessary and mostly toxic to humans. Somebody educate me.
16 posted on 04/28/2003 3:27:26 PM PDT by manic4organic (An organic conservative)
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To: BeAllYouCanBe
I read that the greenies want to have an area parrallel with the Mississippi that is several hundred miles wide "de-populated" to allow for animals to roam freely from north to south in the US.

Funny thing is, they can have it. All the need do is buy it on the open market. Of course, they have no intention of doing that.

17 posted on 04/28/2003 3:33:56 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Green policies are killing millions of peasants. This is mass murder and those responsible should be held to account."


Not only do Liberals think their words have no consequences (witness the whining of the Dixie Chics) but they think their actions have no consequences either.
18 posted on 04/28/2003 3:35:11 PM PDT by MikeAtTheShore
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To: sharktrager
She was asked if she would approve for her mother to receive a heart from a pig if it was the only way to save her mom's life. She said she couldn't, because who was she to say one animal is superior to another.

Now that's committment! Wonder if she'll feel differently if she has kids.

19 posted on 04/28/2003 3:36:53 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: manic4organic
DDT is proven to be HIGHLY effective in controlling and eradicating the populations of mosquitos that carry the malaria virus.

When he talks about people dying because of the ban on DDT, he's referring to malaria deaths.

http://www.acsh.org/publications/reports/ddt2002.html

There are some 300 to 500 million reported cases of malaria each year, 90% occurring in Africa. According to the World Health Organization (WHO), about two and a half million people die of the disease each year, again, mostly in Africa, the majority of them poor children. Indeed, malaria is the second leading cause of death in Africa (after AIDS) and the number one killer of children there (with about one child being lost to malaria every thirty seconds). Many medical historians believe malaria has killed more people than any other disease in history, including the Black Plague, and may have contributed to the collapse of the Roman Empire. Malaria was common in places as far north as Boston and England until the twentieth century. Two thirds of the world lived in malaria-ridden areas prior to the 1940s.

That devastation all but stopped during the time that DDT use was widespread, around 1950-1970. Indeed, the discovery that DDT could kill malarial mosquitoes earned Dr. Paul MŸller the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 1948. DDT, a chemical pesticide synthesized by MŸller in the late 1930s, was initially used against houseflies, beetles, various farm pests, and typhus-carrying lice on the bodies of World War II soldiers and civilians. America and England soon became the major producers of the chemical, using it to fight malaria-carrying mosquitoes, especially in tropical regions.

In all, DDT has been conservatively credited with saving some 100 million lives.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 3:37:16 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: manic4organic
"I'm all for hammering on the Greens and totalitarianism, but that and most other pesticides are simply unneccessary and mostly toxic to humans. Somebody educate me"

Not humans. It's toxic to some species of birds. When the banning campaign was ongoing, it was said to be toxic to all species and to humans. Later, it turned out that the effect on humans is negligable, but birds ARE still affected.

The part about the DDT ban causing so much starvation is true. Mostly locusts. On the other hand, extremely beneficial birds were becoming extinct, because their eggshells were soft, and the embryos killed due to squishing. The birds are safe now, and I for one hate to lose them....BUT there has been no other effective pesticide to replace it, and research is greatly hampered due to the insane, ever growning blob of worldwide regulations which sprang from that one successful battle.

The article could have been better written.

21 posted on 04/28/2003 3:41:52 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: manic4organic
Here's a graph of the malaria rate in the US from 1912 to 1970, shown by the bright blue line - notice the essentially zero rate as DDT went into widespread use in the 1950's:

http://www.healthsentinel.com/Vaccines/DiseaseAndRelatedData.htm
22 posted on 04/28/2003 3:45:54 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: mvpel
To add to that. DDT has been shown to be effective in African tribal huts by just painting the INSIDE of the hut with DDT laced paint. No DDT is released into the environment at all. It is absolutely non toxic to the humans. But Mosquitoes have evolved a strong dislike to be around DDT, and will not even enter the building where it is, thus preventing almost all malaria infections because they usually happen from bites at night time in the home.

But the Green Nazis will not even support this practice. They arm twisted the last country in Africa (can't remember which one) into stopping this a few years ago, and now malaria rates are skyrocketing there.

Greens don't care about the fact that DDT used this way cannot harm the environment whatsoever. They just want people dead. This is not hype. Its true.

23 posted on 04/28/2003 3:52:42 PM PDT by narby (Fox News = America's News Network)
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To: cake_crumb
Uh....make that successful battle from the ENVIRONAZI perspective. I've noticed a HEAVY presence of the morality police since the fall of Baghdad....people have noticed it's the beginning of another election cycle.
24 posted on 04/28/2003 3:58:07 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
extremely beneficial birds were becoming extinct, because their eggshells were soft, and the embryos killed due to squishing.

I've read that this "fragile egg shell" effect was from a single study in the early 60's where they were testing DDT toxicity on birds by feeding DDT laced feed to ducks. The ducks didn't have any toxic reaction to reasonable levels of DDT, but their eggs were fragile.

It turns out that the analysis methods available in that day required the researchers to feed them calcium free feed, while the control group had normal calcium feed. Naturaly, their eggs were fragile, but initially this wasn't the object of the study, so the difference calcium in feed was not noticed.

Observation of broken raptor egg shells in the wild were seen as proof (go looking for something, and you'll probably find it). However, there is a normal rate of egg breakage, and apparently there were no studies that proved the egg breakage rate was any higher than "normal". They did find DDT in the eggs, if I remember right, but that is hardly surprising, and not proof that it was the cause of the fragility.

Some bird populations did decline in areas of high farm DDT use. But this is undoubtedly because DDT killed their food source, not because of DDT toxicity in the birds themselves.

I hope the article I read on this was accurate. It does none of us any good to spout controversial stuff like this, if it is not factual. However, this seems right in line with the what I've observed of the Green movement. They don't give a tinkers D@mn about people, or even about the environment. They just use it for power, and for a profession, except for the majority "useful idiot" crowd that supports them.

25 posted on 04/28/2003 4:05:13 PM PDT by narby (Fox News = America's News Network)
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To: narby
I remember when the tidbit that ruined the test results came out. A lot of people called for more tests, using more modern methods of scientific methodology. I agree.

I'm just going from memory, but not only ducks were affected. The hardest hit species were apparently predatory birds. The numbers of raptors are recovering at a very comforting pace - unless you're an envirnazi, because then no matter how prolific a species is, it's 'endangered'.

Most people just figure that the lack of insects were starving the animals that prey on the insects, which then caused starvation in animals that preyed on them.

NOW...because the study results are worthless, I must make the point that we'll never know whether raptors were really affected by the DDT, or some other, entirely unrelated factor. The Greenies and their useful idiots are proof: science and politics NEVER mix. Also, as I pointed out, we have no effective substitute, because ALL pesticides are more and more and more and more closely regulated and then later banned - not because of SCIENCE - but because of pseudoscience, the bastard child of politics and science, which borrows heavily from late '70's, early '80's 'wisdom'.

26 posted on 04/28/2003 5:25:56 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: manic4organic
DDT is safe: just ask the professor who ate it for 40 years

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/710158/posts
27 posted on 04/28/2003 5:53:48 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Opposite of Right -_____________________-is Just Wrong)
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To: sharktrager
The problem in this logic is that she has already made that choice, and determined the pig is more valuable than her mother. If they are truly equal you'd flip a coin or something.

Well, no. I think her logic is fine. She's saying she wouldn't kill one living "being" to save another.

That said, she's an idiot.

28 posted on 04/28/2003 5:59:30 PM PDT by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right. http://www.2ASisters.org)
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To: thetruckster
If you had been reading some of the web sites for the communist anti war groups, you would know that the Greens are part and parcel of the same group. Environmentalism is not the true agenda of these people it is a tool, a kind of political thought control or brainwashing.
29 posted on 04/28/2003 6:00:09 PM PDT by Eva
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To: cake_crumb
I have heard that even now, DDT is still found in the milk of lactating mothers in this country. How to counter that statement?
30 posted on 04/28/2003 6:01:54 PM PDT by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right. http://www.2ASisters.org)
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To: technochick99
If you hear it from someone, ask for a source. If you get it, let us know.
31 posted on 04/28/2003 6:10:51 PM PDT by m1911
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To: m1911
I know I've read it in various health magazines. They seem to buy the argument without skepticism.
32 posted on 04/28/2003 6:31:51 PM PDT by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right. http://www.2ASisters.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; *Death Cultivation; Carry_Okie
Hey Joe,
Please ping me when you see items like this. You know this is the issue I think isn't discussed -- and condemned -- enough.

C_O: Perhaps your aid at number 16.
33 posted on 04/28/2003 7:35:51 PM PDT by Avoiding_Sulla (You can't see where we're going when you don't look where we've been.)
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To: All
Though not specifically mentioned, there's also this about the Green Nazis:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745309/posts
34 posted on 04/28/2003 7:37:58 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
In a 1997 article in the Atlantic Monthly (not exactly a rightwing periodical!) about a Nobel laureate agronomist widely known as "the father of the Green Revolution," I was angered to read about how the Enviros of the US and Europe have worked hard to suppress research aimed at developing high yield crops, because of the hundreds of millions (some estimate one billion) lives saved by these crops in the last 40 years. They would prefer to see a billion people die slow agonizing deaths by starvation, because any reduction in the human population - no matter how it is accomplished - is seen as a net plus for the earth. Here's one quote from the article :

Another reason is that Borlaug's mission -- to cause the environment to produce significantly more food -- has come to be seen, at least by some securely affluent commentators, as perhaps better left undone. More food sustains human population growth, which they see as antithetical to the natural world.

They successfully pressured the major foundations who originally funded his work in the early days (Rockefeller, Ford, etc.) to stop funding him. Makes your blood boil!!

35 posted on 04/28/2003 7:43:49 PM PDT by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC
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To: technochick99
Ah, but she is killing one to save another. She is killing her parent to save the pig.

Keep in mind, she is making a decision, in this example, for someone else.
36 posted on 04/28/2003 7:56:34 PM PDT by sharktrager
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Like modern-day Albigensians, it seems the Greens perceive man as an evil to be done away with here on earth. Of course this fits in perfectly with the totalitarian modus operandi. For example, it provides cover to rail against and eliminate political enemies such as by the constant cries of "the sky is falling and it's all your fault".
37 posted on 04/28/2003 8:04:10 PM PDT by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: cake_crumb
Not humans. It's toxic to some species of birds. When the banning campaign was ongoing, it was said to be toxic to all species and to humans. Later, it turned out that the effect on humans is negligable, but birds ARE still affected.

Oh they're affected all righty, but not the way you think. DDT kills parasites (such as lice) that are a threat to birds. The parasites spread disease and induce pneumonia.

Here are Audubon society bird counts before and after the mass production and use of huge amounts of DDT.

Audubon Society

Christmas Bird Count Data

1941 (2,331 Observers)

vs. 1960 (8,928 Observers)

Species

Count

Count/Observer

Ratio/Observer

1941

1960

1941

1960

1960/1941

Eagle

197

891

0.08

0.10

1.18

Gull

124,470

635,642

53.40

71.20

1.33

Raven

667

2,669

0.29

0.30

1.04

Crow

185,519

250,307

79.59

28.04

0.35

Quail

2,060

10,276

0.88

1.15

1.30

Pheasant

6,839

19,731

2.93

2.21

0.75

Mounring Dove

7,411

72,958

3.18

8.17

2.57

Swallow

14,347

242,303

6.15

27.14

4.41

Grebe

2,501

27,826

1.07

3.12

2.90

Pelican

4,450

10,562

1.91

1.18

0.62

Cormorant

3,246

27,162

1.39

3.04

2.18

Heron

2,254

16,253

0.97

1.82

1.88

Egret

1,469

16,800

0.63

1.88

2.99

Swan

18,554

33,994

7.96

3.81

0.48

Goose

182,820

696,777

78.43

78.04

1.00

Ducks

2,137,093

2,739,517

916.81

306.85

0.33

Balckbird

137,502

20,552,375

58.99

2,302.01

39.02

Grackle

24,937

12,570,458

10.70

1,407.98

131.61

Cowbird

40,019

3,286,314

17.17

368.09

21.44

Chickadee

21,330

55,906

9.15

6.26

0.68

Titmouse

5,038

18,268

2.16

2.05

0.95

Nuthatch

4,214

13,439

1.81

1.51

0.83

Robin

19,616

928,639

8.42

104.01

12.36

English Sparrow

53,335

358,769

22.88

40.18

1.76

Bluebird

3,742

6,903

1.61

0.77

0.48

Starling

211,836

8,673,095

90.88

971.45

10.69

Sources:

42nd Christmas Bird Count

Audubon Magazine, 1942

61st Christmas Bird Count

Audubon Field Notes, 15, 1961

Thanks to Dr. J. Gordon Edwards, Professor Emeritus of Entomology at San Jose State University, for providing this information.

The problem is that when there is so much money to be made controlling access to resources, those with the money to invest will use the power to regulate the economy in the name of protecting the environment to make a very tidy profit. As long as the opinion of a democratic majority is capable of controlling the use of private property, those investors will invest heavily in controlling that public opinion. They will find and publicize purveyors of opinion friendly to their interests. Enter Rachel Carlson, whose lies were used to foist the largest single act of mass murder in the twentieth century.

Wouldn't you prefer an honest way to manage the environment?

38 posted on 04/28/2003 8:51:25 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: manic4organic
Somebody educate me.

OK.

39 posted on 04/28/2003 8:57:13 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Anamensis
>>" have you ever seen a pig raise its offpsring to act like that?"

Chelsea?
40 posted on 04/28/2003 8:59:52 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (PETA - People Endangering Trustworthy Americans)
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To: Only1choice____Freedom
Oooo, ya got me.
41 posted on 04/28/2003 9:17:47 PM PDT by Anamensis (Ithaca, Hollywood... America is like an oreo cookie; the good stuff's in the middle.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
No, our totalitarian greens do not use gas chambers, death camps, firing squads or torture chambers to rid themselves of the lesser people. What they try to do is deny them life-saving chemicals and technology. Green policies are killing millions of peasants. This is mass murder and those responsible should be held to account.

Beware supporting this kind of hysterical shrieking. Not every rational argument has to be teased out to the nth extreme where the opponent is suddenly equivalent to "Nazis."

You isolate your argument from mainstream moderate thinking and make yourself look like an extremist, in return, furthering alienating your argument from rational discourse.

42 posted on 04/28/2003 9:28:51 PM PDT by lurky
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I like the article, but he needs a reference that documents the effect of eliminating DDT on humanity. I'm sure there are a number from which to choose. Surprising that he missed that since he had so many other references for his other statements.
43 posted on 04/28/2003 9:30:24 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: sharktrager
Btw, Stern is a all "best of" clips this week. They're partying in Vegas.
44 posted on 04/28/2003 9:30:55 PM PDT by lurky
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To: JoJo Gunn
I point your green KKK/Nazi graphics as Exhibit A. I mean, who gonna take crap this seriously? When I say "who" I mean, "those rational people who need persuasive argument to see our side."
45 posted on 04/28/2003 9:35:45 PM PDT by lurky
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To: belmont_mark
PING!
46 posted on 04/28/2003 11:53:04 PM PDT by Orion78
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To: lurky
They're not going to take us seriously. They don't care that hordes of Africans die for want of grain, so why should they listen to reason about anything?

Leftists are Death personified.
47 posted on 04/29/2003 2:08:06 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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To: JoJo Gunn
No, no. Not persuading leftists. It's the moderate middle that needs persuading. Or maybe not. Maybe all you care about is preaching to the choir.
48 posted on 04/29/2003 7:30:04 AM PDT by lurky
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To: cake_crumb
I'm just going from memory, but not only ducks were affected. The hardest hit species were apparently predatory birds. The numbers of raptors are recovering at a very comforting pace - unless you're an envirnazi, because then no matter how prolific a species is, it's 'endangered'.

Egg shell thinning was an enormous hoax. It is caused by an astonishing number of environmental factors, ranging from oil spills (as was the case on Annacappa), dehydration, low calcium diet, and stress.

The science has been done, but the ecofreaks keep repeating the old crap simply because it suits their purpose. You'll hear all about the persistence of breakdown products of DDT such as DDD or DDE. The test methods used are a joke, sometimes as crude as measuring total chlorine content in seawater. These idiots have been caught claiming existence of DDT breakdown products in soil samples taken before DDT was ever produced! Even after they are confronted with the facts, they keep right on going.

Try 100 things you should know about DDT. It's a pretty good compilation of the case against this crap. It's useful to have the facts when people repeat these bogus claims. I have more if you need it.

49 posted on 04/29/2003 8:35:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: lurky
As per your name, I know there are the Leftists who come around here. I'm not so bigheaded that I suppose they'll read all my words, but one here, one there....
50 posted on 04/29/2003 2:04:06 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered....)
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