Santorum Crisis Exposes Republican Weakness

The Pro-Family Law Center ^ | 29-Apr-2003 | Scott Lively

[Jhoffa_]

The Rick Santorum controversy has illuminated a serious problem in the Republican Party: its leaders seem woefully ill-prepared to defend the pro-family position on homosexuality.

What else is new..?

I am beginning to think all they do well is international trade, tax cuts and amnesty for illegals.

[Jhoffa_]

The years of gay pride parades and the agressive gay agenda have left allot of people very angry.

You weren't content to simply be "left alone" You became arrogant and attempted to ram your lifestyle down everyones throat..

Now there's a backlash, and I can certainly see why.

[tdadams]

Pretty good summary. If you find a party that's anti-tax, pro-2nd Amendment, anti-abortion, pro-defense, anti-anti-sodomy laws, and pro-civil unions, please ping me.

[Asclepius]

Now there's a backlash, and I can certainly see why.

Revenge as public policy. What a great idea.

[steve-b]

The numbers I've seen put the percentage of voters who identify themselves as members of the Christian Right betwen 10% and 15%.

The number of those who will actually refuse to support the GOP if it won't burp and coo them in response to each screech has been tested, by Pat Buchanan in his 2000 run.

[tdadams]

I really don't have to make that case. Those laws are almost never enforced anyway.

Then what are you worried about?

I find selective, arbitrary prosecution very troubling. People are subject to the whims of the government. Is that the America you want to live in?

[steve-b]

More likely -- and better, in my opinion -- the GOP will find a way to hold all us bickerers and be a 55-60% party for the foreseeable future.

Ultimately, the GOP needs to gather up some testosterone and tell the Religious Right that it can have a certain amount of bully-pulput support for personal restraint, but no police compulsion in suport of its preferences.

They really can't get a better deal than that. The Democrats will enlist police compulsion against their preferences, the significant third parties (Libertarians and Greens) will offer the same two choices, and attempts to organize third parties more to the liking of the Religious Right have been pathetic failures even by third-party standards.

[steve-b]

selfish individualism

DUfus land is over thataway.

[Nick Danger]

if homosexuality is not immutable, then logically it must be acquired (children being the most likely to acquire the condition because of their vulnerability to social conditioning), and 4) society must err on the side of caution, actively discouraging the normalization of homosexuality in order to protect children and others from the possibility of acquiring a homosexual condition with its attendant health risks.

Let's be careful what we wish for here. This might not be such a smart thing to advocate.

The homosexual advocates share an office with the female supremacy police, who make the same argument concerning the immutability of maleness, which they consider a social conditioning problem that needs fixing.

As we all know, these people now control the education system from kindergarten through college. We don't just see fisting classes in elementary school, we see every kind of social conditioning measure imaginable being used to twist boys into being girls; to make boys ashamed of being male; and when all else fails, to make sure the unbendable ones don't learn anything so they can't get very far when they grow up. These measures range from cancelling recess so boys can't blow off their energy, through drugging the little miscreants if they won't sit still and behave properly, which is to say, like girls.

When that bunch finishes with them, the rest of them come in to explain the joys of, umm, alternate forms of eroticism.

The idea that sexual orientation can be controlled via conditioning is exactly the same argument that the most whacked-out feminists make — that "sex" may be immutable but "gender" is a social construct. And it's one that Anointed Smart People who know best can and should alter, so as to Make Everything Better.

I think that accepting the premises and strategies of liberal social engineers is ultimately a form of defeat. It amounts to trying to build the New Conservative Man instead of the New Communist Man. The truth is, all efforts by Anointed Smart People to improve the human race go nowhere, as the Soviet Union demonstrated by failing to produce the New Communist Man after three generations of trying.

All we really need to do here is get rid of the social engineers who are already in place. We do not need to put our own in their stead.

[Right Wing Professor]

This is really about whether or not Santorum wants police barging into people's bedrooms and arresting them for homosexuality, adultery etc.

This is a complete straw man. 'Barging into people's bedrooms' is forbidden by the fourth amendment. if you're going to argue against Santorum, do it honestly.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Ultimately, the GOP needs to gather up some testosterone and tell the Religious Right that it can have a certain amount of bully-pulput support for personal restraint, but no police compulsion in support of its preferences.

They really can't get a better deal than that. The Democrats will enlist police compulsion against their preferences, the significant third parties (Libertarians and Greens) will offer the same two choices, and attempts to organize third parties more to the liking of the Religious Right have been pathetic failures even by third-party standards.

That was the most insightful post I've seen on FR in a very long time. Thank you.

[EternalVigilance]

I find selective, arbitrary prosecution very troubling. People are subject to the whims of the government. Is that the America you want to live in?

Do you want to live in an America that casts aside all restraint and imposes the sexual morays of San Francisco on the rest of us? (Using our own tax dollars, of course.)

That is the real danger we are now faced with--not some strawman bedroom police scenario.

[steve-b]

Do you want to live in an America that casts aside all restraint and imposes the sexual morays[sic] of San Francisco on the rest of us?

    "You don't like the Goths?"
    "No! Not with the persecution we have to put up with!"
    "Persecution?" Padway raised his eyebrows.
    "Religious persecution. We won't stand for it forever."
    "But I thought the Goths let everybody worship as they pleased."
    "That's just it! We Orthodox are forced to stand around and watch Arians and Monophysites and Nestorians and Jews going about their business unmolested, as if they owned the country! If that isn't persecution, I'd like to know what is!"
    -- L. Sprague deCamp (Lest Darkness Fall)

[Zack Nguyen]

Articles like this make perfect rational sense. Unfortunately Republicans do not lack rational argument as much as they lack the will to defend the pro-family position.

[tdadams]

Do you want to live in an America that casts aside all restraint and imposes the sexual morays of San Francisco on the rest of us?

Nice non sequitur. Now how about answering my question. Do you like arbitrary justice?

[EternalVigilance]

Romans 1


Greeting


Paul's Ministry of the Gospel of Christ
1 Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;


7To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:


Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Desire to Visit Rome
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of His Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers, 10making request if, by some means, now at last I may find a way in the will of God to come to you. 11For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established-- 12that is, that I may be encouraged together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
13Now I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that I often planned to come to you (but was hindered until now), that I might have some fruit among you also, just as among the other Gentiles. 14I am a debtor both to Greeks and to barbarians, both to wise and to unwise. 15So, as much as is in me, I am ready to preach the gospel to you who are in Rome also.


The Just Live by Faith
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ,[1] for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "The just shall live by faith."[2]


God's Wrath on Unrighteousness
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality,[3] wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving,[4] unmerciful; 32who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

[EternalVigilance]

Do you like arbitrary justice?

No, I think debased homosexual practices should be illegal for everyone, as they were for most of our free republic's history.

[tdadams]

So either we acquiesce to selective prosecution or we devolve into an anarchic nation of sexual abandon? You're going to have a hard time selling that leap of logic.

[EternalVigilance]

You're right.

[EternalVigilance]

So, just what do you think the homosexual agenda is all about, then? Do you think it is to stop 'selective prosecutions'? LOL...