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Protesting ‘Patriots’ - Town Among Several Vowing to Block Patriot Act Enforcement
ABCNEWS ^ | 04-27-03

Posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:54 PM PDT by Brian S

Protesting ‘Patriots’
Town Among Several Vowing to Block Patriot Act Enforcement
ABCNEWS.com

C A R R B O R O, N.C., April 27

— In this old cotton mill town, the Friendly Barber Shop still cuts hair for a friendly $5.

It hardly seems like the front line in the war on terrorism, but try telling that to some of the town's 17,000 residents.

"We're all patriots," said Allan Spalt, a Carrboro resident. "We're all against terrorism. We all believe in protecting the country."

Local residents are worried the federal government has become too intrusive and that federal agents could sweep into town and violate their constitutional right to privacy.

"It's terrifying," said Lori Hoyt, a social worker from Carrboro.

‘Bill of Rights Defense’

Residents have pressured the City Council to pass a "Bill of Rights defense resolution."

The measure requires federal investigators who visit the town to report to city hall and state their business. It also directs local police to stand in the way of any unreasonable searches or seizures.

"It may be David against Goliath, but it's a fight worth fighting," said Carrboro's mayor, Mike Nelson.

Dozens of cities around the country have passed resolutions urging federal authorities to respect the civil rights of local citizens when fighting terrorism. Efforts to pass similar measures are under way in more than 60 other places.

While the resolutions are largely symbolic, many of them provide some legal justification for local authorities to resist cooperating in the federal war on terrorism when they deem civil liberties and constitutional rights are being compromised.

‘Sweeping Ramifications’

At issue is an element of the president's homeland security program — the USA Patriot Act.

The rules give the FBI and CIA more authority to wiretap and monitor residents. For example, federal agents no longer need probable cause to monitor mosques or political gatherings. They can also force librarians and county clerks to turn over public records, and jail them if they tell anyone.

Carrboro residents say what concerns them the most is something called the "sneak and peek" warrant. It allows federal investigators to come into your home, without you knowing, search everything, and they have a "reasonable" amount of time to tell you why they were there.

"The Patriot Act passed overwhelmingly in the hysteria following the Sept. 11 tragedy," said Mark Dorison, a local nightclub manager. "I don't think the American public has had a chance to digest the sweeping ramifications."

Are Carrboro residents really concerned that the FBI is going to break into their houses?

"If they can do that to somebody else, they can do it to anyone," said Alex Zaffron, a Carrboro resident.

"I'm an older person now," Hoyt said, "and I've learned not to trust what bureaucracies or big government says."

Civil Rights Terrorists?

Constitutional scholars say the new Patriot Act renews old distrust in federal authority.

"Under this standard of terrorism," said Kimberly Crenshaw of Columbia University, "the civil rights movement, the freedom riders, the sit-in demonstrations, all of these people could conceivably have been prosecuted as terrorists."

All this makes Carrboro Police Chief Carolyn Hutchinson uncomfortable.

She could go to jail if she refuses to cooperate with federal authorities.

"I won't initially run for the hills," she said, "but I will seek legal counsel."

The people of Carrboro say they realize their resolution, their police chief, and their mayor will end up in court, and they're ready for the fight.

ABCNEWS' Steve Osunsami contributed to this report.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: patriotact

1 posted on 04/28/2003 3:54:54 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
This "little country town" is merely an offshoot of the Chapel Hill wacko crowd. See http://www.ci.carrboro.nc.us/boa/default.htm for their city council resolutions against the Iraq war and for illegal aliens.
2 posted on 04/28/2003 4:00:13 PM PDT by RippleFire
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To: Brian S
"Under this standard of terrorism," said Kimberly Crenshaw of Columbia University, "the civil rights movement, the freedom riders, the sit-in demonstrations, all of these people could conceivably have been prosecuted as terrorists."

I don't see how.

3 posted on 04/28/2003 4:01:06 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: RippleFire
Someone should introduce these people to some basic classes in law or political science. Local police hindering the FBI? Good luck.
4 posted on 04/28/2003 4:04:07 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01
Someone should introduce these people to some basic classes in law or political science. Local police hindering the FBI? Good luck.

The FBI exceeds their authority grossly and routinely. If a local government isn't supposed to stand up to them, who is?

5 posted on 04/28/2003 4:07:34 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
Standing up to agents that are exceeded their lawful authority is one thing. Standing up to them when they are enforcing a lawfully passed act is another.
6 posted on 04/28/2003 4:13:16 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Brian S
I have no use for the (un) Patriot Act.
7 posted on 04/28/2003 4:14:28 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: LanPB01
Local police hindering the FBI? Good luck.

Well....who would you suggest to hinder the F.B.I. ?
I mean somebody needs to, from time to time,
or we can All Kiss the Bill of Rights Goodbye !

.....THUNDER......

8 posted on 04/28/2003 4:17:22 PM PDT by THUNDER ROAD
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To: Dan from Michigan
I think the Patriot Act has received a bum rap from sources that really don't know what the act actually says. However, I haven't read all of it, so maybe I'm missing something.
9 posted on 04/28/2003 4:17:37 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: LanPB01
I posted a ton of stuff on this when it was released, using the act itself as a source.

Offhand, my biggest problems is the Affirmative Defense provisions on assett forfeitures. That in short means guilty till proven innocent. The other is secret searches(which I have problems with anyway) that can be authorized by ANY judge, not just in the district. That's an easy opening for abuses of power.

Two names offhand. Dan Harmon. Bill Klinton.

10 posted on 04/28/2003 4:20:37 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: Brian S
Somewhere in the background, one can hear the sound of 'dueling banjos.":~)
11 posted on 04/28/2003 4:22:01 PM PDT by verity
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To: Brian S
Quick! Somebody needs to vote some federal subsidies for this town so they can bribe them into complacency like all the other sheeplevilles throughout the country.
12 posted on 04/28/2003 4:22:55 PM PDT by inquest
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To: Dan from Michigan
Well, forfeiture has been a disgrace for years. I don't think anything done by the Patriot Act can compare with some of the rip-offs that have occurred by prosecutors screaming, "Drugs!" Secret searches also already happen on a regular basis. The only thing I see in the Patriot Act is it calls for a lower standard than was normally in place, and even then, it only applies to "agents of a foreign power."
13 posted on 04/28/2003 4:25:37 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'm with you. I'll take my chances with the terrorist first before usurping the guarantees provided by the Constitution.
14 posted on 04/28/2003 4:26:18 PM PDT by Brian S
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To: LanPB01
even then, it only applies to "agents of a foreign power."

I don't think that part does.....I can't SWEAR to that though offhand.

15 posted on 04/28/2003 4:27:52 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("I have two guns. One for each of ya." - Doc Holliday)
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To: Brian S
"they're ready for the fight"

Thank God some Americans are.........
16 posted on 04/28/2003 4:29:53 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: secretagent
Funny, they said RICO would only be used against racketeers and organized crime. Yet they used it against Pro-life groups.

NEVER give the government the kind of power you don't want to see wielded against you. . .
17 posted on 04/28/2003 5:41:49 PM PDT by Salgak (don't mind me: the orbital mind control lasers are making me write this. . .)
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To: Brian S
I'll take my chances with the terrorist first before usurping the guarantees provided by the Constitution.

So can I assume that you live in a high risk area for terror, perhaps somewhere on Manhattan or in DC? Or are you, like so many big talkers, living in an area where you are highly unlikely to ever suffer from a terrorist act?

What you really mean to say is that you're plenty willing to sacrifice the lives of urban dwellers, air travellers, or Federal employees if somehow your vague and paranoic feelings about mythical government overreaching are assuaged.

19 posted on 04/28/2003 5:55:38 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: smallstuff
ROFLMAO

Sorry, but them Constimatooshin classes you been takin' down at Denny's ain't 'zackly been right.

20 posted on 04/28/2003 5:58:05 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Salgak
NEVER give the government the kind of power you don't want to see wielded against you. . .

Agreed.

But I still don't see, from this article, how, quoting the article:

"Under this standard of terrorism," said Kimberly Crenshaw of Columbia University, "the civil rights movement, the freedom riders, the sit-in demonstrations, all of these people could conceivably have been prosecuted as terrorists."

21 posted on 04/28/2003 5:59:15 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
So can I assume that you live in a high risk area for terror, perhaps somewhere on Manhattan or in DC? Or are you, like so many big talkers, living in an area where you are highly unlikely to ever suffer from a terrorist act?

The government seldom uses expansions of law-enforcement powers to catch real crooks. Rather, expanded powers are used to harass increasing numbers of innocent people so the government can appear to be "doing something".

22 posted on 04/28/2003 6:07:53 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: RippleFire; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
This "little country town" is merely an offshoot of the Chapel Hill wacko crowd. See www.ci.carrboro.nc.us/boa/default.htm for their city council resolutions against the Iraq war and for illegal aliens.

Ah, thanks. "Old cotton mill town" is meant to paint a deceptive picture.

23 posted on 04/28/2003 6:19:16 PM PDT by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
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To: dighton; RippleFire; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
This is from ABC News. Nothing further need be known.
24 posted on 04/28/2003 7:03:17 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: RippleFire; dighton; aculeus
This "little country town" is merely an offshoot of the Chapel Hill wacko crowd.

Good catch.

25 posted on 04/28/2003 9:10:58 PM PDT by general_re (Honi soit la vache qui rit.)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
What you really mean to say is that you're plenty willing to sacrifice the lives of urban dwellers, air travellers, or Federal employees if somehow your vague and paranoic feelings about mythical government overreaching are assuaged.

Don't ever presume to "think you know" what I really meant to say. I said what I said, which I think was quite clear.

So can I assume that you live in a high risk area for terror, perhaps somewhere on Manhattan or in DC? Or are you, like so many big talkers, living in an area where you are highly unlikely to ever suffer from a terrorist act?

The matter of where I live might better be addressed as to where I work. Within the time frame of the last 12 months I've spent weeks in both DC and NYC not to mention ATL, LA, Chicago, Detroit and various other smaller cities. Needless to say, I've spent many, many unpleasant hours in the airport and on a plane.

if somehow your vague and paranoic feelings about mythical government overreaching are assuaged.

My feeling are certainly not vague however they may be a bit paronoic. No more so, however, than those (you perhaps) who are so rabidly paranoic that they need the Federal Govt to protect them in every facet of their daily lives and be the "good nanny/good cop".

Freedom comes with a very hefty price tag...blood, sweat and tears. Sacrifice freedom for a little bit of safety? I don't think so nor do I think the populace of this country will allow it.

I am anxiously waiting and working to see that this issue becomes one of many major issue in the upcoming 2004 elections.

26 posted on 04/29/2003 6:43:16 AM PDT by Brian S
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