BOMBSHELL: "Justice Alerted to False Testimony Allegations in McVeigh Case, Did Not Tell Defense"

Associated Press ^ | By John Solomon Associated Press Writer

[aristeides]

He waived his appeals originally, but in the last couple of months of his life he approved his lawyers' efforts to get his execution postponed.

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You shouldn't try to post when your bommed... 8~)

[aristeides]

If McVeigh was guilty, why should the FBI have to lie about factual evidence?

Arguably to conceal the participation of others in the plot. And the participation of those others might have led the jury to decide against the death penalty for McVeigh. It was for the jury to consider that, and they may have been denied evidence on the matter.

[twigs]

I don't think there are many people who doubt McVeigh's guilt. I think the real issue is wherher evidence was withheld from the jury that might have led them to make a different decision on whether McVeigh should be executed.

I think that's right. I am still bothered by the fact that Chandra Levy was working on this case when she disappeared. Maybe it is just coincidence, but then again... I just don't know.

[Catspaw]

It's a separate issue indeed! Please see the article at the top of this thread. Is it about whether McVeigh was guilty or not, or is it about government agents giving false testimony at a trial, and failing to inform the defense about it as legally required? Thanks in advance for your reply to this question.

Would it have been enough, weighing the other evidence, to sway the jury to another verdict, perhaps a lesser charge or not guilty?

[Poohbah]

I don't think there are many people who doubt McVeigh's guilt. I think the real issue is wherher evidence was withheld from the jury that might have led them to make a different decision on whether McVeigh should be executed.

I fail to see how any withheld evidence would significantly change the penalty decision.

Blowing up a building and killing 168 people is, after all, a vey series thing.

[OutSpot]

See Post 33

"Sounds like the FBI lab is still out to make the FBI look good rather than conduct honest, scientific lab work."

Anytime the FBI lies, fabricates evidence, or misleads a court is a serious matter to me and should be to every other freedom loving Amnerican!

[ravingnutter]

Boy either you know more information than the Department of Justice or you did not read the article above.

Ummm...sorry, but mabelkitty is right...

Date of letter: June 1, 2001

Date of execution: June 11, 2001

If the letter sat in the office for 2 months, it WAS "well after the execution". This letter was most likely part of the 3,000+ pages of documents that were not turned over by the FBI during discovery.

Ashcroft: Execution Delayed Attorney General Acts in Light of Withheld Evidence in Bombing Trial

A judge ruled that the documents would not have changed the outcome...McVeigh decided not to appeal the decision. That DOES make it old news.

[TankerKC]

This is one of the many reasons that I am against the death penalty.

[GalaxieFiveHundred]

This just in. Timothy McVeigh is still very much dead.

[aristeides]

The jury sentenced McVeigh to death in the belief he was the prime mover in the conspiracy and acted almost alone. If they had known he was only one participant in a conspiracy, and very far from the prime mover in it, I suspect they would not have imposed the death penalty. Look at what they decided for Nichols.

[judicial meanz]

I was there. I responded at 0918, 19 April 1995 to the Murrah Building and surrounding areas and worked that deal until May 5, non-stop. I lost a lot of friends in that building.

As a police officer, I saw the police warning document issued before the attacks warning of terrorist attacks on April 19, and directing that federal facilities beware of potential danger. Held it in my hand and read it to the cops in the lineup room a few days before the bombing.


The facts of the case have always been well established in respects to Mr McVeigh. The forensics evidence, even if totally eliminated, may have not even been able to keep him from being convicted.

There is security camera footage from several local buildings that documented him approaching the building and leaving the truck. There are documents that established he rented the truck under an alias known to the FBI. There is an admission by McVeigh, given under no duress. Then there are McVeighs statements given to the press against his penal interests.

That being said, I dont believe, and never will, that two yahoos could pull that off. There had to be more to the story, and I am sure someday we will find out.

Take care folks

[Cosmo]

and it ain't in the dictionary :)

[TheDon]

Well said. There's a whole lot of alleging going on. But, what are the facts? It seems some are jumping to conclusions already.

[Poohbah]

The jury sentenced McVeigh to death in the belief he was the prime mover in the conspiracy and acted almost alone. If they had known he was only one participant in a conspiracy, and very far from the prime mover in it, I suspect they would not have imposed the death penalty. Look at what they decided for Nichols.

McVeigh actually drove the bomb to target and detonated it.

Even if he'd been less than the prime mover in the conspiracy, that's still a s**tload of guilt.

[Honcho]

Timothy McVeigh admited to the bombing. Case closed.

[ravingnutter]

He waived his appeals originally, but in the last couple of months of his life he approved his lawyers' efforts to get his execution postponed.

Wrong...

He lost two appeals, at the U.S. Supreme Court and the federal appeals court, but he has not exhausted all appeals... On Dec. 11 of last year, McVeigh asked U.S. District Judge Richard Matsch to end his appeals and set an execution date within 120 days. He has the legal right to do so, even if his lawyers object... Matsch agreed to McVeigh's request last month, giving him until Jan. 11 to change his mind. The deadline passed at 5 p.m.

CBS News Story

His execution was postponed because of the FBI blunder...

May 11 — Attorney General John Ashcroft today delayed the execution of Timothy McVeigh until June 11 so the Oklahoma City bomber's attorneys can review more than 3,000 pages of documents recently turned over by the FBI. The announcement came a day after the FBI disclosed that it had failed to turn over the material to the defense team during McVeigh's 1997 trial. The execution had been scheduled for May 16.

ABC News Story

Good grief, there is alot of disinfo on this thread.

[TankerKC]

I've seen nothing saying he didn't, including from him, therefore he deserved execution, irregardless of this tempest in a teapot about evidence.

Whew! I hope you are never on a my jury. I'd have to prove that I was innocent. That’s an interesting twist on the innocent until proven guilty model.

[Fred Mertz]

That being said, I dont believe, and never will, that two yahoos could pull that off.

Thanks for your comments and service. What's your take on Officer Terrence Yeakey's alleged suicide?

[aristeides]

McVeigh's lawyers were in court after that 2001 postponement seeking a further postponement, and that was with McVeigh's approval.