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Tel Aviv first, then Manchester? (Israel is to blame for simply *everything* - Islamofascist alert!)
The Guardian ^ | Friday May 2, 2003 | Fuad Nahdi

Posted on 05/02/2003 3:15:21 AM PDT by Chipata

Tel Aviv first, then Manchester?

We have seen the first British suicide bombers - but not the last

Fuad Nahdi

Friday May 2, 2003

The Guardian

Last month, I warned of developments within British Islam. "We need to be scared," I wrote on these pages. "The end of the war in Iraq might even usher in the beginning of our own intifada." Among the many responses was one from 10 Downing Street. I was told that my piece was "uncharacteristically alarmist" and I did feel temporarily defensive. But, sadly, I was right. I am not surprised by news of Britain's first suicide bombers; what, however, I find astonishing is that it took place in Tel Aviv, not Manchester.

The descent into extremism of parts of the British Muslim community has been a long process, though "community" leaders remain in a state of denial over the mess.

The combined forces of racial discrimination and Islamophobia have been awesome in the marginalisation and alienation of the community. As a result few, particularly young people, feel they have any viable stake in society. To add to all this is the chaos and confusion that is all-pervasive throughout the Muslim world - traumatised by colonialism, raped by "independence". If we are to understand what is going on we need to scrape away the layers of rhetoric and euphemism, put to one side events of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq, and come to the running sore of Palestine. The western conscience, troubled by anti-semitism, is reluctant to look too critically at Israeli behaviour towards a colonised Muslim population. But unless the Palestinian voice, and the Muslim voice that echoes its pain, is listened to, there will be no understanding of what happened to Asif Muhammad Hanif and Omar Khan Sharif. Instead, we will be subjected to more banal rhetoric about "evil" Islam and the motiveless nature of fundamentalist terror.

The reality is that Muslims - including the majority of those in Britain - are enraged about Palestine. Angry about the expansion of illegal Jewish settlements on confiscated Arab land. Furious about decades of military rule on behalf of Jewish conquerors over resentful Christian and Muslim populations. Furious about the perpetuation of colonial-era racism and apartheid-style zoning laws. Furious about the plight of Palestinian refugees. Furious about the conquerer's control of the third holiest place in Islam.

Our scriptures counsel endless patience. Were it not for Islam, the anti-western rhetoric and violence would be out of control. Yet, some of us have been tipped over the edge. The message carried in the deeds of these angry young people is that, yes, Islam forbids suicide and killing civilians, but they are now so angry about Palestine that they are going to set these principles aside. The result has been a perversion of faith.

In the 36 years since the fall of Jerusalem, the Muslim voice has been deeply radicalised. You find this everywhere - from the scholarly pulpits of Al-Azhar to the mosques of Birmingham and Derby, where young people speak only of Palestine. It is the great religious transformation of our age. And if you talk to these new zealots, you will find that anger over Palestine has been the catalyst which radicalised them.

Perhaps this has been the most far-reaching consequence of Zionism: the radicalisation of the Muslim world. Like most Muslims, I can't stand it. I lament the passing of a culture focused on God more than on community. I miss the smiles, tolerance and wisdom of the older sort of Muslim. And like most Muslims, I know that the war on terrorism and the Iraq war is not part of a solution, but merely the acceleration of incomprehension and revenge.

Since September 11 and the invasion of Iraq, Israel's grip on Palestinian majority areas has become tighter. The frustration at America (and Britain) has never been more intense. And the likelihood of further attacks on western targets has never been greater.

America and Britain must decide whether they want the Muslim world to become their own West Bank, the source of an unbreakable cycle of military punishments and suicide bombings. Israel has not succeeded in stopping Palestinian violence even in a small area; and therefore America and Britain will never suppress terrorism in Islam itself.

If they want peace, they should abandon the belief that more aircraft carriers and bombs will do the job, and try to work out how to be less hated. A decent settlement for the Palestinians, with the restoration of the Muslim holy places to Muslim control, cannot be postponed until the war against terrorism is won. And neither can the return of Iraq and its oil wells to the Iraqi people. Otherwise, we should brace ourselves for the forthcoming intifada in the streets of Birmingham and Detroit.

· Fuad Nahdi is the publisher of the Muslim magazine, Q-News info@q-news.com


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
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In other words: Give us what we want or we'll murder you all, and it will all be the fault of the Jews.

Blackmail is a dirty enough game, but combine it with Jew hatred and it becomes the work of Satan himself.

1 posted on 05/02/2003 3:15:21 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chipata
Incredible..outrageous..predictable
2 posted on 05/02/2003 3:20:01 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Chipata
Perhaps UK and America will do what Israel will not.

Destroy everyone around the homocidal bombers.

Take out their homes. Then take out their supporters' homes.

3 posted on 05/02/2003 3:25:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.)
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To: MEG33
England is screwed , period . All that colonialist guilt , PC and liberal crapola has combined to turn into the monster that will render the UK a wasteland . And on top of this the white Anglos are reproducing at such an alarmingly low rate that they will become the minority in the near distant future . THEN watch the fireworks fly !
4 posted on 05/02/2003 3:27:07 AM PDT by sushiman
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To: Chipata
"...they(?) should abandon the belief that more aircraft carriers and bombs will do the job...."

Yeah.

Right

Sure.

5 posted on 05/02/2003 3:35:03 AM PDT by Leisler (I am a carnivore and I vote.)
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To: sushiman
"All that colonialist guilt , PC and liberal crapola has combined to turn into the monster that will render the UK a wasteland"

You forgot endemic anti-Semitism.
6 posted on 05/02/2003 3:38:50 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chipata
forthcoming intifada in the streets of Birmingham and Detroit

An intifada inside this country would be considered a conspiracy to create havoc and violence. It would be squashed in short order.

7 posted on 05/02/2003 3:54:52 AM PDT by germanicus
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To: Chipata
The reality is that Muslims - including the majority of those in Britain - are enraged about Palestine. Angry about the expansion of illegal Jewish settlements on confiscated Arab land. Furious about decades of military rule on behalf of Jewish conquerors over resentful Christian and Muslim populations. Furious about the perpetuation of colonial-era racism and apartheid-style zoning laws. Furious about the plight of Palestinian refugees. Furious about the conquerer's control of the third holiest place in Islam.

Oh bullshit. They are enraged because they belong to a disfunctional culture that strives to return to the 7 th century and is apparently incapable of dealing with the 21st. It's not the fault of Jews, nor the fault of Christians. It's all their own.
8 posted on 05/02/2003 3:55:10 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: Chipata
Alright some explain to me. How does what the Israeli's do to the Palestinians actually affect Arab Muslims elsewhere? I mean, give me a break. Like these fanatical a-holes actually give a damn about the 'Palestinians.' The US actually gives more aid to the Palestinians than the rest of the Arab world ($250 million wasted but that's another story). They don't want peace because it'll strip them of their excuse for being complete wastes of human lives.
9 posted on 05/02/2003 3:58:57 AM PDT by pragmatic_asian
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To: pragmatic_asian; Chipata; sauropod
They have been played like violins - for decades - by their governments, their media, and radical leftists.

The communists really hit pay dirt when they decided to use this population as a weapon against the West. They will believe anything, and they will stay perpetually "furious" as long as some imam tells them to be.
10 posted on 05/02/2003 4:45:43 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Chipata
we should brace ourselves for the forthcoming intifada in the streets of Birmingham and Detroit.

Go ahead punk, MAKE MY DAY!

11 posted on 05/02/2003 4:50:26 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Chipata; sauropod; Stultis
put to one side events of 9/11

To placate you ignorant savages?

Get over yourselves and get over Israel. For your own good. Hey, it's Friday! I have a suggestion, Fuad. Go fall on your knees and thank your Allah that, unlike you guys, America has held her "fury" in check for the last year and a half.

Next time, we might not.

12 posted on 05/02/2003 4:53:45 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Chipata
The reality is that Muslims - including the majority of those in Britain - are enraged about Palestine. Angry about the expansion of illegal Jewish settlements on confiscated Arab land. Furious about decades of military rule on behalf of Jewish conquerors over resentful Christian and Muslim populations. Furious about the perpetuation of colonial-era racism and apartheid-style zoning laws. Furious about the plight of Palestinian refugees. Furious about the conquerer's control of the third holiest place in Islam.

Let's me address that: Bull. Bull. Bull. Bull. Bull. Bull.

13 posted on 05/02/2003 4:55:24 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Chipata
This guy obviously has access to some really good weed. His understanding of history was arrested at an early age. He should move in with a nomadic arabic tribe and see how long he can live.
14 posted on 05/02/2003 4:58:09 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: BrooklynGOP
Oh, thanks for reminding me:

Furious about the conquerer's control of the third holiest place in Islam.

I'm not thrilled about Bethlehem being under Arafat's control, so the "furious" Muslims can all just go cry me a damned river about Jerusalem!

15 posted on 05/02/2003 4:59:29 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Chipata
Sounds like a threat to me...
16 posted on 05/02/2003 5:04:11 AM PDT by Guillermo (Sic 'em!)
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To: Chipata
The British Muslim Fuad Nahdi argues that the British suicide bombers who attacked a cafe in Tel Aviv were fundamentally motivated by outrage over Palestine. In an article in the Guardian, Nahdi says that, despite the restraint of Islam, "young people speak only of Palestine. It is the great religious transformation of our age. And if you talk to these new zealots, you will find that anger over Palestine has been the catalyst which radicalised them."

What is needed now, he says, is a "decent settlement for the Palestinians, with the restoration of the Muslim holy places to Muslim control". Otherwise, "we should brace ourselves for the forthcoming intifada in the streets of Birmingham and Detroit."

One hundred years ago, the shoe was exactly on the other foot. What Europe feared most was the International Jewish Conspiracy. They had invented that abomination, Marxism: they were behind anarchism. They were everywhere. 

In order to appreciate just how commonly held this belief was, one need look no further than John Buchan's 39 Steps. Written in the days before the Great War, and a perennial best-seller to this day, the doomed journalist Scudder confides his fatal secret to Richard Hannay. War was coming he said, so that:

The capitalists would rake in the shekels, and make fortunes by buying up wreckage. Capital, he said, had no conscience and no fatherland. Besides, the Jew was behind it, and the Jew hated Russia worse than hell.

'Do you wonder?' he cried. 'For three hundred years they have been persecuted, and this is the return match for the pogroms. The Jew is everywhere, but you have to go far down the backstairs to find him. Take any big Teutonic business concern. If you have dealings with it the first man you meet is Prince von und Zu Something, an elegant young man who talks Eton-and-Harrow English. But he cuts no ice. If your business is big, you get behind him and find a prognathous Westphalian with a retreating brow and the manners of a hog. He is the German business man that gives your English papers the shakes. But if you're on the biggest kind of job and are bound to get to the real boss, ten to one you are brought up against a little white-faced Jew in a bath-chair with an eye like a rattlesnake. Yes, Sir, he is the man who is ruling the world just now, and he has his knife in the Empire of the Tzar, because his aunt was outraged and his father flogged in some one-horse location on the Volga.'

In what must be the cruelest joke in history, the British laid the foundations for the State of Israel because they feared that the International Jewish Conspiracy was going to turn the Ottoman Empire against them. Yes, you read that right: the British Foreign Office determined that the Jews were going to unleash the Moslems on them. Seriously. Sir Gerald Lowther, who was the British Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, was convinced that the Young Turk movement, which had just seized the reins of power in 1908, was a creation of the Jews. In David Fromkin's A Peace to End All Peace, Lowther and his linguist FitzMaurice concluded that the Young Turks had met in:

"... Salonika, about half of whose 130,000 inhabitants were either Jews or Dunmehs (members of a Jewish sect that had converted to Islam in the seventeenth century). Salonika was also a city in which there were Freemason lodges ... (where) ... a Jewish lawyer ... allowed the (Young Turks) to meet."

And since "the Oriental Jew is adept at manipulating occult forces ..." it had taken control of the Ottoman Empire. A few years later, the British Foreign Office had come to the conclusion that victory in the First World War would be greatly assisted by buying off the Jews by assisting in the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine, which it did in 1917. Thus was Israel born.

And now Nadhi wants Britain to buy off the International Muslim Conspiracy by supporting the establishment of a Palestinian state in the Jewish homeland which was used to buy off the International Jewish Conspiracy which was threatening to control the Ottoman Empire. Otherwise, there will be an intifada  in the streets of Birmingham or Detroit. The French should have saying: the more things stay the same the more they are different.

17 posted on 05/02/2003 5:18:33 AM PDT by wretchard
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To: wretchard
"In what must be the cruelest joke in history, the British laid the foundations for the State of Israel because they feared that the International Jewish Conspiracy was going to turn the Ottoman Empire against them."

This, I understand, is the correct version (see below). Perhaps they are both right. Strange what it says about Lloyd George though as he was a really great fan of Hitler. Perhaps he was a "Zionist" because he saw it as a way not to help Jews but to get rid of them. Anyhow, here's the relevant explanation from:

The Role of Christian Zionists in the Establishment of Modern-day Israel

Of course, all of these discussions and arrangements were restrained by the fact of the Ottoman Empire's continued control of Palestine. This changed in World War I. The Ottoman Turks sided with Germany. Germany and the Allied powers bogged down along the German/French borders. Millions perished. The British were in desperate need to enhance the power of their explosives in order to win the war. The person who discovered the chemical processes to do just that was the chemist, Chaim Weitzman. Near the end of the war the British Prime Minister, Lloyd George (another Christian Zionist), called for Weitzman to offer him an award for his assistance in the war effort. In a classic statement, Weitzman declared, "I want nothing for myself but rather a homeland for my people." As a result Lloyd George directed his Foreign Secretary, Arthur Balfour, to issue what became known as the Balfour Declaration, proposing Palestine become a homeland for the Jewish people. A month later a British military force led by General Allenby overthrew Ottoman rule in Palestine, and Britain now became the ruling sovereign in the area."

http://www.leaderu.com/common/british.html

18 posted on 05/02/2003 5:29:56 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chipata
Excellent summary, Chi:

In other words: Give us what we want or we'll murder you all, and it will all be the fault of the Jews.

19 posted on 05/02/2003 5:59:43 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: hellinahandcart; pragmatic_asian; Chipata; sauropod
I thought Islamic terrorism in India, the Phillipines and Indonesia was because there are so many Jews living in those places. Sarcasm off...
20 posted on 05/02/2003 6:11:17 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Chipata
A decent settlement for the Palestinians, with the restoration of the Muslim holy places to Muslim control, cannot be postponed until the war against terrorism is won.

If the Muslim Holy sites are put under control of Muslims in Jerusalem, doesnt that mean they would also control the Jewish and Christian Holy Sites?

21 posted on 05/02/2003 6:20:29 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: hellinahandcart
Jerusalem became a "holy" place in Islam only post 1967.
22 posted on 05/02/2003 6:31:24 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: Chipata
And like most Muslims, I know that the war on terrorism and the Iraq war is not
part of a solution, but merely the acceleration of incomprehension and revenge.


This guy is just another Palestinian (or sympathizer)...who is still unable
to believe that the USA/UK/Coalition actually has come to their senses and
is putting terrorists out of bidness.

I bet this puke would say that those images of happy liberated Iraqis and the
joy at the toppling of Saddam's statue were all staged and faked.

That's the sort of self-delusion these folks engage in when they feel the heat of
true justice coming their way.

Like Abba Eban said:
"The Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance."
23 posted on 05/02/2003 6:32:01 AM PDT by VOA
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To: cardinal4
If the Muslim Holy sites are put under control of Muslims in Jerusalem, doesnt that mean they would also control the Jewish and Christian Holy Sites?

According to the Mohammedans, there are no Jewish or Christian holy sites in Jerusalem.

24 posted on 05/02/2003 6:34:00 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Chipata
Otherwise, we should brace ourselves for the forthcoming intifada in the streets
of Birmingham and Detroit
.


LOL!
If he means Birmingham, Alabama, he better be ready for the "intifada" to be
over in about an hour...after bands of righteously-p-ssed-off bubbas quell
the uprising with all their scoped deer rifles and equally lethal, legally owned
firearms. The Founding Fathers would be smiling someplace at this sort of exercise.

As for Detroit, MI...an intifada would actually be an increase in organization and
civil administration compared to what they've had for the past 30 years or so.
And an excuse for the National Guard to impose martial law and maybe save that city from itself.
(as radio show host Ken Hamblin says of the years he spent in Detroit: "I did my tour of duty there")
25 posted on 05/02/2003 6:36:56 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
"The Palestinians never miss a chance to miss a chance."

My apologies, sir, for being so semantical:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000491.html

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk030307/ob49.shtml

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/article/Default.asp?CatID=1&ArticleID=124
26 posted on 05/02/2003 6:37:26 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I thought Islamic terrorism in India, the Phillipines and Indonesia was because
there are so many Jews living in those places.


(my comment, in the same spirit of sarcasm follows)
Good point..."everywhere we look we see the hairy hidden hand of the white man"
(which I suppose includes Jews).
Hmmm...wasn't it a Nation of Islam guy who originated that "hairy hidden hand" phrase?

Regardless, it's always the fault of The Jews and any nation/people willing
to back them up...or just not persecute/kill them.
27 posted on 05/02/2003 6:41:03 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Chipata
If they want peace, they should abandon the belief that more aircraft carriers and bombs will do the job, and try to work out how to be less hated. A decent settlement for the Palestinians, with the restoration of the Muslim holy places to Muslim control, cannot be postponed until the war against terrorism is won. And neither can the return of Iraq and its oil wells to the Iraqi people. Otherwise, we should brace ourselves for the forthcoming intifada in the streets of Birmingham and Detroit.

This idiot should know that Americans have guns. When they bring that crap here, not only will there be some serious settling of accounts, but Gaza and the West Bank will be trashed beyond measure.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

28 posted on 05/02/2003 6:44:54 AM PDT by section9 (My new Apple means that Major Kusanagi gets a vacation, until I figure out how to load her image!)
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To: Chipata
My apologies, sir, for being so semantical:

"The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity." - Abba Eban


No apologies needed...thanks for the gentle correction.

And Eban knew what he was talking about...after the Arabs "screwed the pooch"
in three campaigns against Israel.
29 posted on 05/02/2003 7:00:35 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Chipata
As an earlier post said: "They are enraged because they belong to a disfunctional culture that strives to return to the 7 th century and is apparently incapable of dealing with the 21st. It's not the fault of Jews, nor the fault of Christians. It's all their own." That cannot be stressed enough. The more I read about Islam, the more I believe it is disfunctional. There has NEVER been any notion of tolerance in its history. Non-muslims have always been treated as second class citizens. It did not develop in the same way that Judiasm and Christianity did - in response to opression - it has ALWAYS been the opressor. When the Guardian, which is a widely read paper, publishes such tripe, which only serves to fuel blatant and latant anti-semitism and anti-liberalism, how do we get the message out that the sentiments expressed are wrong? We can post here to each other all day long - we're preaching to the choir. How or where do we get our message out to the otherside?
30 posted on 05/02/2003 7:00:52 AM PDT by sbw123
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To: Chipata
Thanks for the links. I like this one as well:

Another well-known Ebanism was:
"We Israelis always make the right decisions after we have exhausted all other options."
31 posted on 05/02/2003 7:08:37 AM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
"We Israelis always make the right decisions after we have exhausted all other options."

I do believe the correct version is:

"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives."

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Abba_Eban/

http://www.creativequotations.com/one/2450.htm


My favorite Eban quote:

Abba Eban on the UN

"If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions."

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Quote/ebanq.html


Abba Eban on Israel's "Right to Exist"

"Nobody does Israel any service by proclaiming its 'right to exist.'"

"Israel's right to exist, like that of the United States, Saudi Arabia and 152 other states, is axiomatic and unreserved. Israel's legitimacy is not suspended in midair awaiting acknowledgement...."

"There is certainly no other state, big or small, young or old, that would consider mere recognition of its 'right to exist' a favor, or a negotiable concession.” (New York Times, November 18, 1981)."

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Quote/eban3q.html


More great Abba Eban quotes:

"A statesman who keeps his ear permanently glued to the ground will have neither elegance of posture nor flexibility of movement."

"It is our experience that political leaders do not always mean the opposite of what they say."

"Consensus is what many people say in chorus but do not believe as individuals."

"Better to be disliked than pitied."

http://www.creativequotations.com/one/2450.htm


Famous Jewish Quotations

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Quote/qtoc.html




32 posted on 05/02/2003 7:47:04 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: cardinal4
If the Muslim Holy sites are put under control of Muslims in Jerusalem, doesnt that mean they would also control the Jewish and Christian Holy Sites?

Oh don't worry. They will respect them. Just like they respected Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, and the Church that became the Al Aqsa mosque, the sanctity of the Church of the Nativity, and those Buddist statues in Afghanistan. Islam is a VERY tolerent and peaceful religion. Just ask anyone who used to be a muslim and converted.
33 posted on 05/02/2003 1:03:06 PM PDT by Kozak
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To: Chipata
"We need to be scared," I wrote on these pages. "The end of the war in Iraq might even usher in the beginning of our own intifada."

These Muslims say they are "scared" but the real emotion they are expressing is hope.

In other words: Give us what we want or we'll murder you all, and it will all be the fault of the Jews.

Exactly.

34 posted on 05/02/2003 5:20:40 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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