Posted on 05/02/2003 9:04:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:09:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Although Accutane causes birth defects, many acne sufferers love the way the miracle complexion pill makes them look, and so do their doctors. That's why it has become the most widely prescribed birth-defect-causing medicine in the United States.
Many women might be reluctant to reveal their vanities, but Brenda McCoy boldly admits that she's always been concerned about her looks. "I take really good care of myself," says the svelte Orange County mother of four and part-time nurse who's finishing work toward her bachelor's degree at California State University. Despite her hectic schedule, the 40-year-old maintains her figure by running, biking, and power walking.
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I get really tired of these muck raking reporters writing stories about how bad accutane is and how its use should be curtailed. I don't think they have considered the adverse physical and psycological consequences of uncontollable cystic acne. It's really easy to show pictures of disabled children who are victims of their mothers stupidity. On the other hand, it is really difficult to run a story about people who did not commit suicide because their treatment was successful.
I absolutely agree. I have known several people besides myself who have used it. If any other therapy worked, I'm sure they would be used. Accutane is a drug of last resort.
I had a girl friend whose 20-year-old sister had never been on a date before going on accutane. I really doubt she was at any risk of having a child with birth defects. Who are you to say that no woman of child bearing age should allowed to take accutane?
The pill container contains references to the dangers of pregnancy all over it. Each and every pill contains a warning sign on it.
In addition, people from the company stay in comunication with the user as well as the doctor with constant and serious warnings throughout the treatment period.
Their is no possible way for someone to say, I forgot or I did not know.
No doctor gave the accutane a second thought. Like I said, we figured that the arm joints were all dried out of oil. (Of course, I am certainly no doctor and I don't even know if joints have oil to begin with. Just a theory....)
I recall joint pain as being one of the potential symptoms I was warned about. I would not reccommend anyone have any kind of elective surgery while on accutane. Another symptom is that the rate at which tissues heal decreases greatly. I remember small incidental cuts that would normally have healed in a few days, taking weeks to heal. I also had problems with mucous membranes getting severely dried out. I got pink eye within a few hours of a piece of dust from a jack hammer at a construction site gently hitting my eye. To this day nineteen years after ending my therapy, my nasal cavity tends to be very dry, espcecially during cold dry weather.
Read post #9. No, I don't agree that only males should be allowed to be treated with accutane.
The cysts she had previously has left her permanently scarred and there isn't much that can be done about it. Laser surgery is simply not enough. At least there won't be further damage to her skin at this point.
Up to three months. That's not years. I can't see why a responsible girl should be denied effective treatment when she does not intend to get pregnant till several years later. Quite a few girls in high school or college intend to wait till they have graduated and have married before getting pregnant.
Accutane is a lot cheaper than a psychiatrist.
So do 50% of people who don't take accutane. The reporter must mean something different than "less than average," she must mean much less than average.
Excellent point.
I bet that 75% of parents think their children are "above average".
And acne scars? Who are you to want to take this away from these people "for the children?"
Then a local specialist on birth defects arranged for McCoy to meet the adoptive mother of a retarded child with facial anomalies caused by Accutane exposure. Their discussion clinched her decision to end the pregnancy. Painful as it was, she told her husband: "We can't do this to our family."
After McCoy's abortion, the couple decided never to revisit the idea of expanding their family. And McCoy is back on Accutane. "My skin glows when I'm using it," she says. "I would die if they took it off the market."
It isn't acne that is scarring this woman's soul. She did not even know for sure that the child she killed did in fact have the mentioned defect.
IUD! A barbaric birth-control method almost never used nowadays except in the Third World.
Of course, the answer to this problem is to instruct doctors: Never prescribe Accutane for sexually-active females of childbearing age. Period. Females seeking treatment for severe acne must be clearly informed that Accutane causes fetal abnormalities, that no birth control pill or device is 100 percent effective, and that therefore if they wish to use Accutane, they MUST abstain entirely from sexual intercourse until the course of treatment is completed.
The major problem is this: An entire industry -- indeed, also a huge social movement complete with powerful political lobbies -- has dedicated itself to eradicating the America people through contraception, abortion and sterilization. This movement has succeeded in convincing American women that artificial birth control is safe and effective. It is not and can never be. Except abstinence and surgical sterilization, every birth control method has a failure rate, whether that rate is 2 percent or 20 percent. The failure rate means that, for every 100 women using that method, X number will become pregnant in the course of a year of use. Thus, the use of contraception -- and the false belief in its effectiveness -- automatically creates clients for the abortionists.
Whenever I try to explain this, invariably some woman will say, "Nonsense. I've used the Pill for years and never gotten pregnant." To which the reply must be: "Probably because you are sterile. You could quit the Pill tomorrow and still never get pregnant." Shocking, but true. You see, the Contraceptive Myth, as we may call it, invariably leads to a rise in promiscuity. The 25-year-old woman who boasts that she's been on the Pill since her teens and never gotten pregnant has almost certainly had at least a half-dozen sexual partners, and each of those partners has probably had an equal number of partners of his own, creating an exponential scale of risk for sexually transmitted diseases. There are several different STDs -- gonorhea and HPV among them -- which can destroy a woman's ability to bear children. HPV causes cervical cancer, while th most common STD, chlamydia, can scar the fallopian tubes, lead to pelvic inflammatory disorder, and cause ectopic pregnancy.
Because these diseases often go undetected or untreated -- and can severely damage a woman's reproductive organs in just a few weeks -- a number of sexually active females become infertile before they even reach their 20s. They mistakenly think that the effectiveness of birth control explains why they don't become pregnant. But then later, at 25 or 30 or 35, they marry and decide they want children, so they quit the Pill and ... nothing happens. Six months. A year. Still no pregnancy. They get worried. They go to the doctor. The doctor examines them and says, "Well, I've got some bad news ...." But ... but ... what about those miracle fertility treatments you hear about on TV? Sorry. All the fertility drugs in the world won't do any good if your fallopian tubes are so damaged that the egg can't get from the ovary to the uterus. And there's not much point in trying to get pregnant, if HPV has damaged your cervix so bad you could never carry a baby to term anyway.
The Contraceptive Myth is one of the great misery-makers of our age, and the birth of deformed children due to Accutane is just part and parcel of that misery.
Stop taking isotretinoin and seek emergency medical attention or contact your doctor immediately if you experience any of the following serious side effects:WebMD.com and other websites have excellent detailed information about the benefits and side effects of various drugs. I nowadays always check out online information about any drugs my physicians prescribe.· an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives); Other, less serious side effects are more likely to occur. Continue to take isotretinoin and talk to your doctor if you experience
· changes in vision, blurred vision, or decreased vision (especially at night);
· painful or constant dryness of the eyes;
· depression including feelings of sadness, crying spells, irritability, changes in sleep patterns, unusual tiredness, trouble concentrating, loss of appetite, and / or suicidal thoughts or other mental problems;
· stomach, chest, or bowel pain;
· rectal bleeding, or severe or bloody diarrhea;
· difficulty or pain when swallowing;
· new or worsening heartburn;
· yellowing of the skin or eyes or persistently dark urine;
· severe headache or dizziness;
· seizures;
· nausea and vomiting;
· joint or muscle pain or bone problems;
· hearing problems or hearing loss;
· trouble breathing;
· fainting;
· increased thirst or urination;
· slurred speech or problems moving;
· leg swelling;
· increased levels of cholesterol or triglyceride (types of fat) in your blood (detected by blood tests).
Continue to take isotretinoin and talk to your doctor if you experience Side effects other than those listed here may also occur. Talk to your doctor about any side effect that seems unusual or that is especially bothersome.
· inflammation, dryness, or cracking of the lips;
· dry skin, dry mouth, dry or bleeding nose, dryness of the eyes and / or difficulty wearing contact lenses;
· itching; or
· increased sensitivity of the skin to the sun.
I do not use Accutane in my practice and instead choose to refer all recalcitrant acne cases to dermatologists in our area. I have little first hand experience with this particular medication because I choose not to write it often.
Quoting the package insert:
"Pediatric patients and their caregivers should be informed that approximately 29% (104/358) of pediatric patients treated with Accutane devleoped back pain. Back pain was severe in 13.5% (14/104) of the cases and occurred at a higher frequency in female than male patients.
Arthalgias were experienced in 22% (79/358) of pediatric patients.
Arthralgias were severe in 7.6% (6/79) of patients. Appropriate evaluation of the musculoskeletal system should be done in patients who present with these symptoms during or after a course of Accutane. Consideration should be given to discontinuation of Accutane if any significant abnormality is found.
You are the first in this long thread to mention the ethics of assuming an abortion risk for personal vanity.
How can a woman risk either a birth defect or an abortion for her personal vanity?
I also find it offensive that some try to justify this risk by suggesting the alternative is psychological damage or suicide. Get over it on your own. There are lots of people born "ugly" who will never have such a cure. They lead just as normal lives as the rest of us.
I see some women concocting BS reasons to avoid censure by others, since, of course, there was never a conscience to impinge.
I can appreciate that doctor who is not a dermatologist would want to let a specialist be responsible for prescribing accutane. What bothers me is the attitude that bureaucrats in Washington DC, or trial lawyers should want to keep it away from everyone just because there are some really stupid and irresponsible women out there who get pregnant while taking accutane. I was very much aware of accutane before it was approved. I was also aware of the potential side effects before I went on a five month cours of therapy. I can't imagine anyone would want to put up with its side effects if any other therapy worked.
This is nuts. My dad was a dermatologist and I saw first-hand the benefits of accutane. Riddle me this: why should men be denied access to this drug?
Same question for Thalidomide.
The bottle/box/insert for Accutane has radioactive fluorescent WARNINGS all over them about the dangers to pregnant women. Every doctor in the Universe is highly aware of the potential problem. Why then should it be banned?
As I understand it, Thalidomide was a wonderful sedative--because you virtually could not overdose on it. You'd sleep a long time, but not die as is the case with other sedatives. Again, why deny men access to Thalidomide (let alone people with leprosy)?
--Boris
Also thalidomide has been used to treat both AIDS and cancer. Although thalidomide was safe as a sedative, it was never tested for potential side effects during pregnancy prior to being recommended for pregnant women. Acctane was specifically tested for the potential for causing birth defects in animals prior to its ever being tested in humans. It was specifically recommended that pregnant women not take accutane nor should women who were taking or recently completed threapy get pregnant. It seems to be the mentality of bureaucrats and trial lawyers that nobody should be exposed to any risk (even voluntarily) that a pregnant woman should not be exposed to.
Who is apparently paid by the word. Yeesh.
This is close to borderline slander in my book. I have only known one woman who ever tood accutane. She told me the doctor put her through a virtual horror show of pictures, lectures and release statements before he would agree to write the prescription.
Then a local specialist on birth defects arranged for McCoy to meet the adoptive mother of a retarded child with facial anomalies caused by Accutane exposure. Their discussion clinched her decision to end the pregnancy. Painful as it was, she told her husband: "We can't do this to our family."
After McCoy's abortion, the couple decided never to revisit the idea of expanding their family. And McCoy is back on Accutane. "My skin glows when I'm using it," she says. "I would die if they took it off the market."
I thought the same thing you did, ikka. Why would she have an abortion without first attempting to find out whether or not the child was deformed? Who knows? Maybe, she aborted the child so she wouldn't have to cease taking her Accutane for 9 months. After all, she said she'd "die" without it. Her husband obviously wanted to have more children, but they won't be doing that now nor will they ever consider having children in the future. But, that's OK, because her skin just glows.
Kennard, I was surprised (as you probably were too) that so few posts to this thread addressed what you summed up quite well as "the ethics of assuming an abortion risk for personal vanity".
I don't think this drug should be taken off the market, but I think that it probably will be since it's being used and prescribed so recklessly. It should only be given to patients with severe acne, and all non-sterile women of childbearing age who take Accutane should abstain from sexual intercourse.
The operative word here is SHOULD, of course they should, but it's obvious from the article that they don't. Now, our author got the happy abortioner to discuss her happy abortion and glowing skin; not to mention her avoidence of "death" (life/health of the mother exception alert); but I notice the author didn't include any quotes from women whose children died before age one, or who are now institutionlized due to their mother's use of Accutane.
I only suggested accutane be prescribed for men only. But it seems to me that it's simple enough to abstain from sex while taking the drug. I mean, let's face it, abstaining from sex is a pretty simple proposition, no warning labels to read, no bottle caps to unscrew (no pun intended), no devices to use, no messy creams or gels. Or, a woman might choose sterilization if her need to take Accutane over many years was great enough. I can't condone abortion, but abstaining, in the case of a young woman who will take this drug for some limited time; or sterilization for an older woman who wants to be able to always take it, will both certainly prevent pregnancy.
There are many medical conditions and treatments that prevent people from having children. And there are indeed many "ugly" conditions for which there is no treatment. One of those, evidently, is use by one's mother of accutane during pregnancy.
I still don't see why people feel this is a hit-piece, that is to say unfair to Accutane. It does cause these severe, damaging, fatal (even) side effects, that is not in doubt. But, I'm sorry, it just isn't that hard to prevent pregnancy: DON'T HAVE SEX. Then you will have no problems with Accutane. Why is the prevailing ethos of our society that one must be able to have sex at any time, any place, any where, with anyone, and damn the consequences it causes, but, for sure, find someone else to solve any resulting problems, or pay for any pain or difficulty caused by one's sexual activity?
It wasn't my sexual activity that caused my child to be deformed,it was the evil, yet deep pocketed drug companies.
It wasn't my promiscuous homosexual life style that gave me AIDS, it was Republicans.
It wasn't my mid-life affair with the floozy that cost me my fortune and my children's affections, it was my bitch of an ex-wife.
Please, who can't see through this BS?
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