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'Neocon' Becomes a Confusing Code Word
The Tallahassee Democrat ^ | May 2, 2003 | Suzanne Fields

Posted on 05/03/2003 8:44:59 AM PDT by quidnunc

Politics is all about polarities. Republican vs. Democrat, conservative vs. liberal, right vs. left, hard thinking vs. soft thinking. The labels are pervasive, but the ground frequently shifts, requiring a new prefix to freshen up the label.

The word neocon, for example (short for neoconservative), was born of such a shifting of the ground. Coined in the 1970s, the label stuck to Democrats who had watched the Scoop Jackson anti-Communist wing of the Democratic party evaporate before their very eyes. They saw the War on Poverty become a losing battle. On the domestic front, they observed the death of morality as it had been defined for thousands of years in the Judeo-Christian tradition. These Democrats finally concluded that liberalism, as they had known it, was dead.

Irving Kristol, father of the neocons, defined his band of brothers and sisters as "liberals mugged by reality." That reality was the "evil empire" as defined by Ronald Reagan, the leader they championed. The reality extended to a concern for crime and education and what came to be called "family values." A subdivision of the neocons, the "cultural conservatives," were wryly defined as liberals with daughters in junior high.

Jews were prominently identified with the neocons, largely because Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine, made the magazine a sounding board for neocon criticism. But Jeanne Kirkpatrick, a Baptist, and William Bennett, a Roman Catholic, were prominent neocon voices from the beginning. So were other Christians. "What are we," they might ask, "chopped liver?"

The Jewish neocons understood what the majority of Jews who vote Democratic didn't — that Jews and Evangelical Christians held many things in common, among them an admiration and affection for Israel.

Such definitions and ideological attitudes are amply documented in the political history of the second half of the 20th century, but the neocon label resurfaces today as many journalists and pundits identify the neocons as a new generation driving the foreign policy of George W. Bush.

It's a label that doesn't quite fit, since those credited with influence are hardly "neo" anything. For the most part, the label is attributed to second-generation conservatives. Some are sons of the Scoop Jackson Democrats whose fathers have the last name of Podhoretz and Kristol, but the label as accurately understood has a much more inclusive intellectual base, including, for example, Vice President Dick Cheney; his wife, Lynne; Condoleezza Rice; Don Rumsfeld; and Paul Wolfowitz, the hugely influential deputy defense secretary.

The term, however, is disingenuously bandied about at dinner tables and policy meetings in London and Paris and elsewhere, where it is colorfully coded to suggest a Jewish conspiracy working on the White House.

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"I have been amazed by the label of conspiracy-mongering around neocons," David Brooks, an editor at the Weekly Standard, tells the Observer. "I get it every day — the 'evil Jewish conspiracy.' The only distinction between 'neoconservative' and 'conservative' this way is circumcision. We actually started to call it the Axis of Circumcision."

Blame the cranks bottom-feeding in the fever swamps of paleo-conservatism.

If not for conspiracy-theory nitwittery they would have no purpose in life.

1 posted on 05/03/2003 8:44:59 AM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
neo·con·ser·va·tive
Pronunciation: -k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv
Function: noun
Date: 1952
: a former liberal espousing political conservatism
- neo·con·ser·va·tism /-v&-"ti-z&m/ noun
- neoconservative adjective
2 posted on 05/03/2003 8:49:11 AM PDT by abnegation (Daschle makes any sane person ill.)
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To: quidnunc
"The term, however, is disingenuously bandied about at dinner tables and policy meetings in London and Paris and elsewhere, where it is colorfully coded to suggest a Jewish conspiracy working on the White House. "

May this truth be called out for exactly what it is = anti-semitism.

3 posted on 05/03/2003 8:49:13 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: abnegation; Texaggie79
Hmm. I was a liberal at 14... Does that make me a neo-con? :P
4 posted on 05/03/2003 8:52:39 AM PDT by BrooklynGOP
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To: BrooklynGOP
I'm just sick of the improper use of the word. So whenever and wherever I see it, I post the proper meaning from the dictionary. You might fit the bill, but I don't know if 14-yeaer-olds count. (G)
5 posted on 05/03/2003 8:57:55 AM PDT by abnegation (Daschle makes any sane person ill.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
It seems to me that ANYTIME the world goes after the Jews (read Evangelicals, too) the world goes closer to self destruction. Just EXACTLY WHAT are the Jews guilty of doing? And us Christians? (And don't give me the Crusades BS).
6 posted on 05/03/2003 8:59:58 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: abnegation
Just an addition to dictionary.

Neo-con - A liberal one-world chickenhawk posing as a conservative.

7 posted on 05/03/2003 9:03:56 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: widowithfoursons
ANYTIME the world goes after the Jews (read Evangelicals, too) the world goes closer to self destruction.

The exact point Walker Percy made in his last novel, "The Thanatos Syndrome." Percy also made the point that it was just unlucky to persecute Jews. Look at what happened to the Nazis. Jews are God's chosen people (but as Teviav (sp?) said, "why can't You choose someone else occasionally?")

8 posted on 05/03/2003 9:05:57 AM PDT by Martin Tell
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To: widowithfoursons
I promise that I won't give you the crusades bs. But only because those who perpetrated the crusades were "Christians" in name only.

As for the rest of your comments, they are spot on. Those who hate Christians and Jews are tools in the hands of Satan - just as much as those who do evil in the name of Judaism or Christianity.

9 posted on 05/03/2003 9:06:01 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Martin Tell
But that's just Jewish humor ala Rodney Dangerfield (and to a more morbid sense, Lenny Bruce).
10 posted on 05/03/2003 9:12:52 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: quidnunc
But "paleocon" should not be a term of opprobrium. To me, it's always been "the" conservative movement -- Buckley's National Review, the Goldwater movement, Reagan (who was conservative long before the neo-cons awoke from 60s liberalism). And those are all good guys. If the "old" version of conservatism is getting a bad name, we have a severe semantic problem.
11 posted on 05/03/2003 9:13:55 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: anniegetyourgun
Anniegetyourgun wrote: But only because those who perpetrated the crusades were "Christians" in name only.

The Crusades weren't "perpetrated", they were Europe's reaction to Islamic expansionism.

Don't forget, until it was overrun by the Muslims the Holy Land was in large part Christian.

Furthermore, Europe itself was in danger of being overrun.

When it comes to the Crusades, the West has no need to apologize.

12 posted on 05/03/2003 9:17:11 AM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
If people want to label me a "neocon" I'd wear that label proudly. Neocons are people who reacted to 9/11 with horror, and a resolve that it never happen again.

On the other hand, it seemed to me that paleocons were people who reacted to the atrocity with almost a sense of cheerfulness, a "we had it coming" smugness--again, I point to Justin Raimondo's posts here that afternoon.

100% Aryan here, by the way.
13 posted on 05/03/2003 9:22:33 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Martin Tell
Delighted to see your good comments about Walker Percy. He's great.

Per the chosen people: some wag once penned this bit of doggerel:

How odd
Of God
To choose
The Jews

Presently an even more economical bit of doggerel replied

Goyim
Annoy 'im

:-)

14 posted on 05/03/2003 9:22:58 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: quidnunc

"Thou shalt not speak ill of a fellow conservative"
--Regans Law

15 posted on 05/03/2003 9:24:17 AM PDT by ChadGore (Freedom is as natural as a drawn breath.)
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To: T'wit
Re:To me, it's always been "the" conservative movement

Agreed.

16 posted on 05/03/2003 9:25:30 AM PDT by ChadGore (Freedom is as natural as a drawn breath.)
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To: quidnunc
I knew that the author was going to accuse anyone who dared used this word of being a Jew hater. He is yet another Al Sharpton of the right getting in the gutter because he sees a racist...err anti-semite....under every bed.
17 posted on 05/03/2003 9:26:21 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: ex-snook
Neo-con - A liberal one-world chickenhawk posing as a conservative.

Paleo-con - A former KKK and current anti-semite posing as a super patriot.

18 posted on 05/03/2003 9:27:01 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: abnegation
I am sick of Al Sharpton conservatives accusing anyone who dares disagree with them of being an anti-semite.
19 posted on 05/03/2003 9:27:42 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: T'wit
And those are all good guys. If the "old" version of conservatism is getting a bad name, we have a severe semantic problem.

Too late...

Neocons: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol

Paleocons: Buchanan, Ron Paul, Taki Theocrap, David Duke

20 posted on 05/03/2003 9:29:31 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
May this truth be called out for exactly what it is = anti-semitism.

It is really annoying. Some right wingers used to complain that Jews are too liberal (basically true), but when there are right-wing Jews they're excoriated too.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. It's almost like what Emporer Hadrian said about the Jews, "it doesn't matter what they do I still hate them."

21 posted on 05/03/2003 9:31:42 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: SunStar
David Duke eh? Is SunStar the code war for Al Sharpton who accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being a racist...err antisemite.
22 posted on 05/03/2003 9:31:56 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: UbIwerks
You mean right wing Jews like Murray Rothbard, the founder of the paleos?
23 posted on 05/03/2003 9:32:32 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: denydenydeny
...paleocons were people who reacted to the atrocity with almost a sense of cheerfulness, a "we had it coming" smugness--again, I point to Justin Raimondo's posts here that afternoon.

Yes, the Paleocons are the Buchanan types who sound more like raving Leftists, KKK members, and Muslim extremists at this point. Like most all of the former-Freepers like Arator who after being banned from FR, went off to form Bush-bashing sites like Liberty Forum and Liberty Post. Sick, twisted conspiracy types who love to talk about "golems" and like to label our goverment as "ZOG".

24 posted on 05/03/2003 9:32:45 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: ex-snook
Chickenhawk? Isn't that some kind of gay insult?
25 posted on 05/03/2003 9:33:13 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: ChadGore
Thanks. The "paleos" named in David Frum's essay almost all identify themselves as libertarians and have strong issues with standard conservatism (if there's any left :-) ). Should we not use the label they choose for themselves? Lew Rockwell, e.g., would not be caught dead calling himself a paleo-con, nor would Raimondo.
26 posted on 05/03/2003 9:33:49 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: T'wit
Ha!

You are correct. Before Ronald Reagan and Rush Limbaugh, all the true conservatives in the country could have gathered for cocktails on the poop deck of William F. Buckley's yacht, Cyrano.

In fact, they often did! Now, condemned as "Paleo-Conservatives," it is quite understandable that their silken knickers occasionally get in a bit of a twist. I mean after all, "Who the Hell are all these new people in the club!"

Oh yeah, IMHO, they are also quite uncomfortable with actually winning elections.

27 posted on 05/03/2003 9:34:41 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: Austin Willard Wright
David Duke eh? Is SunStar the code war for Al Sharpton who accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being a racist...err antisemite.

Take a jaunt over to LibertyPost.com and LibertyForum.com where the self-identified Paleo's hang out and tell me I'm wrong.

28 posted on 05/03/2003 9:34:55 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Chickenhawk? Isn't that some kind of gay insult?

No, it's a label the liberals and paleo-cons use to describe Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and other conservatives who have supported the War on Terror but who didn't fight in Vietnam.

29 posted on 05/03/2003 9:36:21 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Murray never in his life identified with, or called himself, a conservative of any stripe. He was pure libertarian.
30 posted on 05/03/2003 9:37:02 AM PDT by T'wit
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To: T'wit
Lew Rockwell, e.g., would not be caught dead calling himself a paleo-con, nor would Raimondo.

I disagree insofar as Raimando, along with Pat Buchanan and others, write for "The American Conservative", which labels itself a paleo-conservative publication, and all other conservatives as neocons who have "hijacked" the conservative movement. Well, that may indeed be a compliment.

31 posted on 05/03/2003 9:38:20 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: SunStar
Well....the "former" Communist surrender monkeys in Poland (still members of the Socialist International) supported the war. These surrender monkeys have been praised on FR...therefore folks on FR support Socialism and defend surrender monkeys. This is the weird logic of your McCarthyite argument.

Now...if you can find evidence that paleocons actually consider Duke to be a compatriot. Right now, you have nothing but sleaze

32 posted on 05/03/2003 9:38:38 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: T'wit
A libertarian who supported Buchanan? Yeah right.
33 posted on 05/03/2003 9:39:15 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: widowithfoursons
"And don't give me the Crusades BS"

Why? it's true!

If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.
34 posted on 05/03/2003 9:41:22 AM PDT by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
You mean right wing Jews like Murray Rothbard, the founder of the paleos?

The guy who thinks we should have competing governments and supports the PLO and the former Soviet Union?

There are sickos in every bunch. And according to David Blum he's not the father of the ["Jews took our jobs"] Paleos.

35 posted on 05/03/2003 9:42:15 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: SunStar
Paleocons: Buchanan, Ron Paul, Taki Theocrap, David Duke

Ron Paul doesn't belong in that group. Ron Paul would never be opposed to free trade for instance.

36 posted on 05/03/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by jlogajan
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To: T'wit
Reagan (who was conservative long before the neo-cons awoke from 60s liberalism)

Pegging Reagan as a paleocon is highly dubious. Yeah, he left the Democratic party before the main exodus of neocons began, but he did so for the same reasons, indicative of the fact that California Democrats veered left earlier than their East coast counterparts. It's also hard to reconcile with Reagan's strong belief in free trade, or with the enthusiasm with which neocons flocked to his banner and the importance they played in his administration.

37 posted on 05/03/2003 9:44:00 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: asneditor
Read a little history (or at least a few posts). The Crusades had NOTHING to do with Christianity.
38 posted on 05/03/2003 9:45:44 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Well....the "former" Communist surrender monkeys in Poland (still members of the Socialist International) supported the war. These surrender monkeys have been praised on FR...therefore folks on FR support Socialism and defend surrender monkeys.

Oh, I guess you are referring to our formerly-communist Polish allies, who supplied special forces troops in Iraq?

Does this mean you supported the France/Russia/Germany view, as did other paleocons like Pat Buchanan? If so, do you support his attacks on neocons? Isn't that a "McCarthyite" attack?

Now...if you can find evidence that paleocons actually consider Duke to be a compatriot. Right now, you have nothing but sleaze

The paleocon worldview has a compatriot in Duke. There is not a need for them to openly consider him as such. Buchanan and "The American Conservative" (the self-proclaimed home of Paleoconservatism) rallies against anything that remotely helps the Jews. Their articles have included dismissive arguments against the Holocaust, and criticized the War on Terror as an Israeli proxy war. They have also aluded to the often debunked theory that Israel was behind 9/11. Since David Duke spouts the same nonsensical arguments and supports the Arabs over the Jews... you fill in the blank.

39 posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:56 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: widowithfoursons
I would be glad too. Please post me a few links.
40 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:13 AM PDT by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: jlogajan
SunStar doesn't care about such distinctions. His motto is smear anyone who disagrees with him by any means necessary.
41 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:28 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Wouldn't you agree with me that there is something really pathetic about those who want to fight verbal wars over newspeak type labels, rather than actually discuss the philosophical issues that underlie political and social actions in our political society?

I am as sick as you are about this endless prattle that questions motives, rather than address serious differences of opinion. Some people seem to be devolving into characters out of a surrealist nightmare, totally unable to even perceive that there are real intellectual issues, that ought to be addressed.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

42 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:29 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: jlogajan
Ron Paul doesn't belong in that group. Ron Paul would never be opposed to free trade for instance.

I agree that he is the nicer of the bunch.

43 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:40 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: T'wit
Mega Bump.
44 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:44 AM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Kenny Bunk
There wouldn't have been a Reagan or a Limbaugh without Buckley, Goldwater, Chambers, Meyer, Kirk, Bozell, Rusher and hundreds of other scholars and activists. Reagan and Limbaugh are the first to acknowledge their debt, even as Kirk once acknowledged the collective debt of us all, writing, "We stand on the shoulders of giants" such as Edmund Burke. Indeed, I was present when Limbaugh thanked Buckley and the editors of National Review for the intellectual inspiration of his career (aboard the Princess, not the Cyrano).

Better advice has been given here: we should save our ammunition for the Left and not pick fights with other conservatives.

45 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:49 AM PDT by T'wit
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46 posted on 05/03/2003 9:48:56 AM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Austin Willard Wright
By his standards, Hitler and Stalin were neo-cons because they wanted to take over the world.
47 posted on 05/03/2003 9:49:11 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: Austin Willard Wright
SunStar doesn't care about such distinctions. His motto is smear anyone who disagrees with him by any means necessary.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

48 posted on 05/03/2003 9:49:34 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I would like your argument better if you did not equivocate.
49 posted on 05/03/2003 9:50:22 AM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: SunStar
No....I am referring to the party which controls them which is the "same" party which ruled Poland under an iron heal for decades and the *same* party which is currently a member of the Socialist International. By the logic of your "guilt by association" response, I guess we can assume you admire these surrender monkey, opportunist unrepentant socialists.
50 posted on 05/03/2003 9:51:02 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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