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FL: Pro-Gun Group Prompts Arrest Of One Of It's Own At National Convention
http://www.sierratimes.com ^ | 5-4-03 | J.J. Johnson

Posted on 05/04/2003 4:04:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA

FL: Pro-Gun Group Prompts Arrest Of One Of It's Own At National Convention By J.J. Johnson - Sierra Times.com

Orlando, Florida - Leaders of a pro-second amendment, liberty activist group are outraged over the arrest of a member of their group, who is also a paid member of the well-known second amendment group that had him arrested for passing out flyers outside a gun show last Sunday.

The National Rifle Association apparently had one of its members, a pro-gun activist, arrested at its national convention on, April 27, 2003 in Orlando, Florida for handing out pro-gun freedom literature from an organization known as the Free State Project, Inc. The unlucky NRA member was Timothy Condon, a Marine Corps Vietnam veteran and Director of Member Services for the rapidly growing Free State Project.

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OK, I don't see where this makes any sense.
1 posted on 05/04/2003 4:04:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA
I could be very mistaken on this but isn't the Free State Project a seditious movement?

If so, the NRA would NOT stand for it.

2 posted on 05/04/2003 4:07:52 AM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: OXENinFLA
I know there is a thread about this.Free State is a wacko group..It reminds me of The Republic of Texas group.
3 posted on 05/04/2003 4:08:24 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: rvoitier

! MY BAD !

I find out it's a pretty good idea.
4 posted on 05/04/2003 4:14:03 AM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: OXENinFLA
that had him arrested for passing out flyers outside a gun show last Sunday.

The above statement is misleading. He was arrested for trespassing, not passing out papers. Only the police can arrest someone so he either broke the law or did not. Under state law, he had to get a permit to solicit on their convention grounds. Obviously he did not.

5 posted on 05/04/2003 4:15:54 AM PDT by doosee
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To: rvoitier
The problem with this idea is when you get rid of regulations against
drugs, gambling & prostitution you just invited all the liberals into your state
putting you right back where you started.
6 posted on 05/04/2003 4:59:31 AM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: OXENinFLA
I happen to be pro-FSP, and still don't understand why this happened, particularly since many pro-2nd groups hand out literature at these events all the time. From various FSP forums, I don't think Condon quite knows who prompted this either.
8 posted on 05/04/2003 6:04:17 AM PDT by Katya
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To: OXENinFLA
Sierra Times, which is not a friend or supporter of the NRA, is leaving out half the story.

This guy was asked to leave and he didn't. He was arrested for tresspassing.

If fifty members of the MMM who were also there at the convention can follow simple instructions, why couldn't this bozo?

9 posted on 05/04/2003 6:17:41 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Director of Member Services for the rapidly growing Free State Project.

Clearly a position that leaves him with too much time on his hands.

10 posted on 05/04/2003 6:19:08 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: rvoitier
Why limit your politiical power to a single state that has two Senators and a handful of congressman?
11 posted on 05/04/2003 6:20:16 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
It reminds me of a story about a small town in Alaska.

The citizens of the town said that every summer, wackos from the lower 48 come to their town trying to start some kind of political movements. She also said they get a lot of suicides from the newcomers.

She said the problem resolves itself when winter comes and the newcomers leave.
12 posted on 05/04/2003 6:25:19 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Do you not understand the benefits of small local unobtrusive government that doesn't try to run your life?

Or are you against FSP because they questioned your precious NRA?

BTW, I am now and have been a member of the NRA. I am not yet a member of FSP, although I do like the idea.
13 posted on 05/04/2003 6:39:27 AM PDT by Badray (They all seem normal until you get to know them.)
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To: rvoitier
What is seditious about moving to a new place and registering to vote in local elections, and doing so?
14 posted on 05/04/2003 6:43:40 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: Shooter 2.5
It's not so much limiting your power, but starting from the ground up. If you could get something like the FSP to actually work, it just might inspire others to stand up for their rights in their own states.
15 posted on 05/04/2003 7:04:55 AM PDT by tarawa
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To: coloradan
Read my #4 post.
16 posted on 05/04/2003 7:12:34 AM PDT by rvoitier (There's too many ALs in this world: Al Qaeda Al Jezeera Al Gore Al Sharpton Al Franken)
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To: rvoitier
Roger.
17 posted on 05/04/2003 7:31:05 AM PDT by coloradan
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To: OXENinFLA; *bang_list
Posted to *bang_list
18 posted on 05/04/2003 7:54:25 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: msimon
I am in TOTAL agreement. States with regulations against drugs, gambling & prostitution have those vices under control. Just think of DC. Their gun regulations have almost completely eliminated gun crime. In fact these kinds of laws are working so well that many are calling for a prohibition against another dangerous drug, alcohol.

If I had the power I would make this the quote of the day.

Best regards,

19 posted on 05/04/2003 7:57:02 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Badray; tarawa
I'm not against the FSP. I think they're just limiting their power by their ideas.

It would be better if they took over controlling interest in the Washington Post instead of limiting themselves to two senators and a handful of congressman.

It's a shame the guy who was arrested didn't have the sense of the million morons group. I didn't hear of any of them getting arrested.
20 posted on 05/04/2003 8:14:28 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Well first off the Washington Post is still privately owned, as is the New York Times, so not avialable for a conservative buy out take over.

The idea of the Free State Project is not to get a two senators out of 100, arguably we already have at least two conservatives in the Senate. The idea is to use elections to move one state's internal policies towards a simpler, smaller and lower cost form of government. This would be more in line with what many believe the founders intended and the Constitution calls for.

Thus the focus would be on the elimination of unneeded state laws, regulations, bureacrats, programs, fees and taxes.

Things might get interesting when the State government began asserting itself under the 10th Ammendment.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This ammendment, tortured Supreme Court interpretations of the commerce clause notwithstanding, is violated every day by the federal govenment. Only a State has the standing to challenge this. Wyoming has already told Federal alphabet soup 'law enforcement' agencies they may only operate with the knowledge and agreement of the local sheriff.

I don't think an early emphasis will be on ending all drug and prostitution laws. I think ending welfare is a much more likely first action, and gun control. Most gun laws are federal, and the feds are quite willing to enforce them for cities that don't want to do it themselves. (As cases in Santa Cruz and elsewhere have shown.)

21 posted on 05/04/2003 11:29:41 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
That's well and good but you seem to think it's easier to take over an entire state than make an offer to buy a newspaper.

You are writing about people moving from their homes and extended families, quiting their jobs and then relocating to a state many may have never visited before. From what I could tell from the website the state hasn't even been picked yet.

Well, good luck to you. I hope no one gets arrested for trespassing again. That old saying, "Any publicity is good publicity" doesn't work with fringe groups.
22 posted on 05/04/2003 11:44:33 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I agree getting arrested in counter productive. There seems to be a lot of conservative media out there already -everything from Fox News to Free Republic, but I haven't seen it have much effect on rolling back Socialist Government, have you? I think it's going to take actual actions to make this happen.

Your corret, that state has not been chosen. The bylaws allow for that when 5,000 people join. Right now there are about 3,500. The move begins when 20,000 people sign up. That's the plan. I have no idea if it will work or not, but at least its trying something new.

Voting Republican is a holding action, at best. Look at the creepy-crawly on Socialized medicine. The R's led by Newt went full bore to defeat it in '92 and rode it to victory. But then went ahead and passed a bunch of it anyway in the Congress they controlled. Bush himself toys with a prescription drug 'right' that he may choose to establish if his pollsters tell him he should.

What ever its failing the Free State Project is at least a new idea on how to slow, stop and reverse the slide to Socialism. My effective tax rate is about 55% and always going up. You got a better plan to reverse the slide I'd love to hear it. Hell, I might sign on the help.

23 posted on 05/04/2003 12:13:28 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black
5000 people voting as a block would have won the election for mayor in salisbury maryland, where only 3600 voted in the entire election... the winner won by 87 votes and is now in danger of being recalled for her socialistic ways...

jmt, and yes i am a free state member, teeman
24 posted on 05/04/2003 5:39:50 PM PDT by teeman8r
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To: Shooter 2.5
Why limit your politiical power to a single state that has two Senators and a handful of congressman?

Because they aren't trying to do this to change the country but to change a state which they want to live in. Then if it goes well other states might look to it as an example.

Having little political power in D.C. doesn't matter as much if your not couinting on D.C. to deliver the pork.

25 posted on 05/04/2003 7:35:57 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Justice is the one thing you should always find. Saddle up your boys and draw a hardline.)
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