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If this is what they do, then he wants to be a neocon, too
Star Newspapers (Chicago south suburbs) ^ | Sunday, May 4, 2003 | Michael J. Bowers Star columnist

Posted on 05/04/2003 8:01:34 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

The late comedian Jim Samuels once said, "The United States is like the guy at the party who gives cocaine to everybody, and still nobody likes him."

I started reading the newspaper during the Munich Olympics. Since then, this is what I see when America goes out into the world: No matter how much cocaine we give away, we are weak, we are humiliated, and we are despised.

In Paris on Jan. 23, 1973, we surrendered the Vietnam War even though we had never lost on the battlefield. Mostly we were defeated by our own reporters — the "nattering nabobs of negativism," as they were aptly labeled by Vice President Spiro Agnew in September 1970.

On Nov. 4, 1979, nutcase Iranians seized 60 members of our Tehran embassy staff and held them for more than a year. On April 11, 1980, the feeble President Carter finally worked up the courage for a rescue mission. It failed, killing eight of our servicemen. The Iranians reveled gleefully at our impotence.

On Oct. 23, 1983, Hezbollah blew up 241 of our peacekeeper Marines as they slept in their barracks in Beirut. Soon thereafter, President Reagan pulled us out of Lebanon.

In the Clinton era, the president allowed the Chinese to steal the secrets to our neutron bomb while he played doctor with Monica Lewinsky in the Oval Office.

Then came 9-11. The attack was bad enough. Worse were the politicians and "intellectuals" — George Galloway, Noam Chomsky and Susan Sontag, to name three — who saw this as our comeuppance. Too bad about the dead people, they said. But America had it coming.

Not only I saw America as spineless. So did our enemies. Osama bin-Laden watched our response to terror in the 1980s and '90s and decided we were a "weak horse." Then he plotted 9-11.

Mark Bowden, author of "Black Hawk Down," says our withdrawal from Somalia in October 1993 taught the world's thugs that "killing a few American soldiers, even at a cost of more than 500 of your own fighters, is enough to spook Uncle Sam."

But now, with the successful invasion of Iraq, President Bush has destroyed the pattern. Now when the bully attacks, America hits back. And so the next time some thug gets the idea to kill a few of us, he's going to think twice, wondering what ever did happen to Saddam anyway.

In short, we are no longer a nation of cowards. This gives me immense satisfaction.

Sounds simple enough, right? Well, a lot of people out there think I don't know what I believe. I'm really just a dupe of the cabal of suspicious Jewish neoconservatives who have taken over Bush's empty head.

The crackpot theory goes like this: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice — they don't run our foreign policy. The neocons do. And they run it for the benefit of Israel. The fall of the Twin Towers was their lucky break: their chance to commence the conquest of the entire Middle East.

Who are these men? The conspiracy theorists have ferreted out the names: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams, David Wurmser, among others.

Fortunately, a few alert people in the world are wise to the cabal:

Two months after 9-11, the French ambassador to London, Daniel Bernard, blamed the scary state of the world on the "(expletive) little country" of Israel. "Why should we be in danger of World War III because of these people?" he complained.

This year National Public Radio asked a New York City councilman, Robert Jackson, why an anti-war resolution had stalled in the city council. He replied: "New York City is the home away from home for most Jews, and (the resolution) is not in the best interest of Israel."

Warming the heart of Pat Buchanan, newsman Tim Russert asked Mr. Perle on network TV: "Can you assure American viewers … that we're in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?"

A sign at an anti-war rally in March in San Francisco read: "I want YOU to die for Israel. Israel sings, 'Onward, Christian Soldiers.' "

In the same month, the French foreign minister, Dominique de Villepin, told fellow French politicians, "The hawks in the U.S. administration are in the hands of (Ariel) Sharon."

U.S. Rep. James Moran, a Democrat from Virginia, recently complained: "If it were not for the strong support of the Jewish community for this war with Iraq, we would not be doing this."

Let me explain something to the Morans (and morons) of the world. There is a reason America and Israel are on the same side. It's not that hard to figure out. The same people who hate Israel also hate America. And the same people who hate America also hate Israel.

Who do they hate us? Because we are successful and they are not. It's simply the most powerful of all human emotions at work: resentment.

What is the proper response to this hatred? It is to do what the neocons have advised for years: Stay strong. Hit back. Stop apologizing for being free and successful.

Thus, rather than resent the neocons, I am indebted to them. They have done a wonderful service to the country. I say, "Great work, guys!"

In fact, I want to do more than congratulate these men — I want to join them. Seriously. I want to be a Jewish neocon too. Why would I not?

Carter had his chance, and he gave us 444 days of abject humiliation.

Clinton had his chance, and he left us a legacy of disgusting, sleazy sex.

Now the neocons have had their chance. And in just 575 days — the period from 9-11 to the fall of Saddam's statue on April 9 — they have made us strong and proud again.

This is why I want to join the cabal. There is a hitch, though. I cannot pass the faith test. So as soon as I am done here, I will write to Mr. Perle. I'm hoping there are membership provisions for people of varying religious status.

I would be a lapsed-Catholic neocon.

Michael Bowers is a member of The Star's universal copy desk. He can be reached via e-mail at mbowers@starnewspapers.com.


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Yet another take on the "neocon" question. I have to admit that I'm confused as hell.
1 posted on 05/04/2003 8:01:34 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief
I've been trying to join but I seem to be as left out as Bush,Cheney,Rice,Rumsfield and Powell.I want a decoder ring!
2 posted on 05/04/2003 8:09:31 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Chi-townChief
No, the pundits have decided that all neo-cons are Jews. How they came up with that explanation, I cannot fathom. However, anything that smacks of anti-Semitism strikes me as weird. (BTW, Semite historically meant all peoples from that region). How did it come to mean Jews exclusively? Eph 6:12
3 posted on 05/04/2003 8:19:15 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Chi-townChief
I have to admit that I'm confused as hell.

Why? If it weren't for the so-called "neo-cons" we likely would have another 10,000 Americans dead.

al-Qaeda is virtually dead, and nobody, but nobody, is going to challenge the United States.

In addition, any regime that fosters terrorism knows that it risks being destroyed.

The era of Bill Clinton "patty-cake diplomacy" is over.

4 posted on 05/04/2003 8:19:42 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: widowithfoursons
(BTW, Semite historically meant all peoples from that region). How did it come to mean Jews exclusively?

Anti-Semite does not mean "someone who is opposed to Semites." Get a dictionary.

5 posted on 05/04/2003 8:24:53 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Alouette
But it has come to mean "Jew hating". Any my dictionary calls it "a person who is hostile to Jews". Does yours specify a different meaning?
6 posted on 05/04/2003 8:29:12 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: widowithfoursons
BTW, Semite historically meant all peoples from that region). How did it come to mean Jews exclusively?

Because "Semite" really has two different meanings. The first is that the Semites are not an ethnic group, but a language group - people who speak the Hebrew or Arabic or Ethiopian languages (or Akkadian, Assyrian, Aramaic, Phoenician, and a host of other mostly extinct languages) are Semitic peoples. The other meaning of "Semite" is "descendant of Shem" - i.e., the Jews, who are descended from Shem through Abraham. So when people say "anti-semite" or "anti-semitic", they generally mean "Semite" in the second sense, and use it to mean "anti-Jew" or "anti-Jewish".

7 posted on 05/04/2003 8:29:38 AM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: Chi-townChief
I thought a "neocon" was a former liberal now a "new Conservative" I'm an old conservative, but if a "neocon" wants to keep America strong, stand up for liberty for all people and fight for opressed people... then I will proudly wear the new label... NEOCON!
8 posted on 05/04/2003 8:30:04 AM PDT by The UnVeiled Lady
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To: widowithfoursons
sorry "and"
9 posted on 05/04/2003 8:31:26 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Chi-townChief; Howlin; justshe; Kevin Curry; Poohbah; spetznaz
"Sounds simple enough, right? Well, a lot of people out there think I don't know what I believe. I'm really just a dupe of the cabal of suspicious Jewish neoconservatives who have taken over Bush's empty head."

Yeah...

You hear alot of that from the out of work Loserdopian clique that loiters around FR [especially on the weekends].

10 posted on 05/04/2003 8:34:14 AM PDT by VaBthang4 (Could someone show me one [1] Loserdopian elected to the federal government?)
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To: widowithfoursons
But it has come to mean "Jew hating". Any my dictionary calls it "a person who is hostile to Jews". Does yours specify a different meaning?

The word "Anti-Semite" was coined in 1872 by a Jew-hater named Wilhelm Marr, because the word "Jew Hater" was too...vulgar.

11 posted on 05/04/2003 8:35:13 AM PDT by Alouette (Why is it called "International Law" if only Israel and the United States are expected to keep it?)
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To: Chi-townChief
Yet another take on the "neocon" question. I have to admit that I'm confused as hell.

It's only fair. As Pat Buchanan; etc., claims the neo cons; read Jews, have brought us into this war (untrue btw.), then it's only fair that the Jews should take credit for the success of this war.

I asked Chris Matthews if he will at least apologize to the neo Cons/Jews since the war was a success and he was wrong. As of this writing I have not received a reply from him.

12 posted on 05/04/2003 8:41:14 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: general_re
My "really old" dictionary (last copyright 1946) is very clear about the fact that Shem is a word of Greek origin, (also Latin Sem). "A member of a race of mankind (corresponding inexactly to the peoples said in Gen x. to be descended from Shem, son of Noah) comprising the Hebrews and kindrid peoples, as the Arabians, Assyrians, etc". My newer dictionary doesn't mention anything except anti-Jewish.
13 posted on 05/04/2003 8:43:47 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Alouette
Is he related to Bill Mahr? (Couldn't help myself). Interesting to note that the phrase was coined by a Nazi wannabe.
14 posted on 05/04/2003 8:48:34 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: widowithfoursons
My newer dictionary doesn't mention anything except anti-Jewish.

That's because "anti-semitic" really only means "anti-Jewish" in common usage any more. Anyway, what do they say about the etymology of the word "semite"? Probably that it's a variant of the earlier "shemite", which it is ;)

15 posted on 05/04/2003 8:53:28 AM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: Chi-townChief; widowithfoursons; Alouette; The UnVeiled Lady; VaBthang4; UbIwerks
I found a nice compilation of Buchanan quotes, and everyone can judge from those whether proudly self-described paleocons share values with them, and with the GOP. I'm not making any of these up:

2003: "The War Party may have gotten its war. But it has also gotten something it did not bargain for. Its membership lists and associations have been exposed and its motives challenged."

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"Suddenly, the Israeli connection is on the table, and the War Party is not amused. Finding themselves in an unanticipated firefight, our neoconservative friends are doing what comes naturally, seeking student deferments from political combat by claiming the status of a persecuted minority group."

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"We charge that a cabal of polemicists and public officials seek to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America's interests. We charge them with colluding with Israel to ignite those wars and destroy the Oslo Accords. We charge them with deliberately damaging U.S. relations with every state in the Arab world that defies Israel or supports the Palestinian people's right to a homeland of their own. We charge that they have alienated friends and allies all over the Islamic and Western world through their arrogance, hubris, and bellicosity."

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"A list of the Middle East regimes that Podhoretz, Bennett, Ledeen, Netanyahu, and the Wall Street Journal regard as targets for destruction includes Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and 'militant Islam.'

"Cui bono? For whose benefit these endless wars in a region that holds nothing vital to America save oil, which the Arabs must sell us to survive? Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam?

"Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud."

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"What these neoconservatives seek is to conscript American blood to make the world safe for Israel. They want the peace of the sword imposed on Islam and American soldiers to die if necessary to impose it."

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"The principal draftsman is Richard Perle....In 1996, with Douglas Feith and David Wurmser, Perle wrote "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," for Prime Minister Netanyahu....In the Perle-Feith-Wurmser strategy, Israel's enemy remains Syria, but the road to Damascus runs through Baghdad. Their plan, which urged Israel to re-establish 'the principle of preemption,' has now been imposed by Perle, Feith, Wurmser & Co. on the United States."

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"President Bush is on notice: Should he pressure Israel to trade land for peace, the Oslo formula in which his father and Yitzak Rabin believed, he will, as was his father, be denounced as an anti-Semite and a Munich-style appeaser by both Israelis and their neoconservative allies inside his own Big Tent."

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"Though we have said repeatedly that we admire much of what this president has done, he will not deserve re-election if he does not jettison the neoconservatives' agenda of endless wars on the Islamic world that serve only the interests of a country other than the one he was elected to preserve and protect."

-- "Whose War? The Loudest Clique Behind the President's Policy," The American Conservative, March 24, 2003.

2003: "Sharon was first elected on a pledge to ditch the Camp David and Barak plans. His new cabinet contains militant Zionists who consider the West Bank sacred Jewish land. They will not give it up. They will not permit Jerusalem to become the capital of a Palestinian state even if Bush, triumphant in Iraq, tells them it must be done. They will fight him as they fought his father. And they will have the War Party in their corner....

"Where will...President Bush go after Baghdad? If he seeks to pressure Israel into what the Israeli Right and the War Party think are premature and foolish negotiations, he will court a savage backlash in an election year, and fail. If he embraces the Sharon Doctrine and puts military pressure on Syria and Iran, he will do so without Tony Blair, without NATO and without U.N. backing, and he will be seen world wide as the leader of a rogue superpower."

--"After Baghdad, where do we go?" townhall.com, March 3, 2003.

2003: "Israel, recipient of $100 billion in U.S. aid, is demanding another $15 billion to hold our coat as we fight her war against Iraq."

--"With friends like these," townhall.com, February 24, 2003.

1999: "After World War II, Jewish influence over foreign policy became almost an obsession with American leaders."

- A Republic, Not an Empire. P. 336.

1999: "I know the power of the Israeli lobby and the other lobbies, but we need a foreign policy that puts our own country first."

- Meet the Press Interview. September 12, 1999.

1991: "Even if his veto of the (loan) guarantees is overridden, he will have won high marks for his courage, and exposed congress for what it has become, a Parliament of Whores incapable of standing up for U.S. national interests, if AIPAC is on the other end of the line."

- Syndicated column, December 18, 1991

1990: In an August 25,1990, column, Buchanan criticized commentators urging military intervention in Iraq, naming Abe Rosenthal, Richard Perle, Charles Krauthamer and Henry Kissinger. On August 29th, he wrote the following:

"’The civilized world must win this fight,’ the editors thunder. But, if it comes to war, it will not be the ‘civilized world’ humping up that bloody road to Baghdad; it will be American kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales, and Leroy Brown."

- Washington Times, August 29, 1990

1990: "There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in The Middle East – the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States."

- The McLaughlin Group, Aug 26, 1990

1990: "Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory."

- McLaughlin Group, June 15, 1990

1990: "That the United States would sit still for anything was brought home to the Israelis, long ago, on the third day of the Six-Day War, when Lyndon Johnson ordered a coverup of an Israeli rocket-and-machine gun attack on the U.S. intelligence ship Liberty off the Sinai, an attack costing the lives of 37 brave American soldiers.

When it suits them, our Israeli allies launch air strikes on Tunis, Baghdad or Beirut; they invade Lebanon; they even enlist U.S. traitors, like the Pollards, to loot the secrets of a nation that has manifested toward them an extraordinary indulgence."

- January, 1990

1999: "Senator Joseph McCarthy, in his career fighting communists, did nothing to their collaborators, sympathizers, and defenders to compare with what was done to the patriots of America First. But the acolytes of FDR won the great debate as decisively as America won the war. To this day, any who oppose U.S. commitments to fight wars in Europe or Asia, or new global entanglements, must first answer to the intimidating charge that they are nothing but ‘isolationists.’"

- A Republic, Not an Empire, P. 250

1990: "The problem is: Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody."

- NY Post, March 17, 1990 (from a column about the trial of accused Nazi war criminal John Demjanjuk)

1990: "Whatever Rudolph did during World War II, his quarter century of service to the United States entitles the old man to a public hearing before he goes to his grave."

- NY Post, July 14, 1990, on Arthur Rudolph, Nazi rocket scientist investigated by OSI who aided the American space program

1983: "Perhaps this endless search for Nazi war criminals, these endless re-enactments, on stage and screen, of Hitler’s concentration camps are good for the soul. To what end, however, all this wallowing in the atrocities of a dead regime when there is scarcely a peep of protest over the prison camps, the labor camps, the concentration camps operating now in China and Siberia, in Cuba and Vietnam."

- Washington Times, August 24, 1983

1977: "Those of us in childhood during the war years were introduced to Hitler only as a caricature…Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him. But Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

- St. Louis Globe – Democrat, Aug 25, 1977

1990: "In the late 1940’s and 1950’s…race was never a preoccupation with us, we rarely thought about it….There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The ‘Negroes’ of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours."

- Right From the Beginning

1983: "Rail as they will against ‘discrimination,’ women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism…The momma bird builds the nest. So it was, so it ever shall be. Ronald Reagan is not responsible for this; God is."

- Washington Times. November 18, 1983

1991: "David Duke is busy stealing from me. I have a mind to go down there and sue that dude for intellectual property theft."

- Manchester, NH Union Leader, December 15, 1991

1990: "Does this First World nation wish to become a Third World country? Because that is our destiny if we do not build a sea wall against the waves of immigration rolling over our shores…..

"The Negroes of the ‘50s became the blacks of the ‘60’s; now, the ‘African-Americans’ of the 90’s demand racial quotas and set-asides, as the Democrats eagerly assent and a pandering GOP prepares to go along.

"Who speaks for the Euro-Americans, who founded the U.S.A.? …Is it not time to take America back?"

- NY Post, June 20, 1990

1991: "I think God made all people good. But if we had to take a million immigrants in, say Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them in Virginia, which group would be easier to assimilate and would cause less problems for the people of Virginia?"

- This Week With David Brinkley, December 8, 1991

16 posted on 05/04/2003 8:53:50 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (if it has walked, talked and quacked like a duck for 25 years, it is a duck)
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To: Alouette
The word "Anti-Semite" was coined in 1872 by a Jew-hater named Wilhelm Marr

The first printed use of the term "anti-Semite" or "anti-semitic" was in the Athenæum of London, in 1881, according to the OED.

17 posted on 05/04/2003 8:55:09 AM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Carter had his chance, and he gave us 444 days of abject humiliation. Clinton had his chance, and he left us a legacy of disgusting, sleazy sex.

It would be tough--no, it would be impossible--to improve on this concise summary of both of these failed presidencies.

18 posted on 05/04/2003 8:57:27 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Chi-townChief
Yet another take on the "neocon" question. I have to admit that I'm confused as hell.

Don't be. Paleocons are isolationists of the pre-WW2 variety. No conflict outside of our borders is worth the committment of American troops, they assert. Neocons, on the other hand, realize that American security doesn't stop at our borders. It's pretty much that simple, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Jews or Israel.

19 posted on 05/04/2003 9:03:48 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: general_re
I had a lot of respect for Pat many years ago. And, he has a few (many) points about illegal immigration. But when he bashes Israel nonstop, I'm outta there.
20 posted on 05/04/2003 9:04:27 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: widowithfoursons
BTW, how many of you guys have actually been to Israel?
21 posted on 05/04/2003 9:07:29 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud." "

This is an obvious reference to the Nazi slogan, "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer" Buchanan is truly evil.

His ideas are as loathsome as the notion that used to be bruited abroad about Roman Catholics; that they were disloyal to the U.S. and took their orders from the Vatican.

One would have imagined that given his people had been subjected to the very same prejudice Buchanan would have been stopped in his tracks. But no, he's way too wicked for that.

22 posted on 05/04/2003 9:15:48 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Luis Gonzalez
Ha! I was just getting ready to ping you!
23 posted on 05/04/2003 9:18:53 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Alouette
Oookay, just read more than I want to know about Wilhelm.
24 posted on 05/04/2003 9:21:58 AM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: Chi-townChief
The biggest problem with this article is that it projects Reagan as some kind of weak president, when in fact Reagan restored the US into the strongest nation on earth. Certainly Bush has re-established this after 8-years of Clinton, but to paint Reagan with the same brush as Carter is ridiculous.
25 posted on 05/04/2003 9:22:40 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: general_re
"The first printed use of the term "anti-Semite" or "anti-semitic" was in the Athenæum of London, in 1881, according to the OED."

The first printed use in *English*. Alouette is quite right, as usual, the term was coined by the noted German Jew hater, Willhelm Marr.

From the Simon Wiesenthal Center:

MARR, Wilhelm: German anti-Semite. He brought racist ideas to a wide audience, introducing the word "anti-Semite" into the political vocabulary, by founding the "League of Anti-Semites." The "League" failed as an organization, but was historically important, being the first to create a popular political movement based on anti-Semitism.

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t049/t04906.html


26 posted on 05/04/2003 9:23:18 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chi-townChief
What's with all the neocon threads and articles all of a sudden?
27 posted on 05/04/2003 9:24:20 AM PDT by Cacique
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To: MEG33
I've been trying to join but I seem to be as left out as Bush,Cheney,Rice,Rumsfield and Powell.I want a decoder ring!

My sympathies. I never get to be part of the cool conspiracies either. :^(

28 posted on 05/04/2003 9:25:32 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Somebody should have labeled the future "Some assembly required.")
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To: Chipata
Indeed - I was just trading freepmails with someone who reports that the 1966 printed edition of the OED traces the usage to the aforementioned Mr. Marr. Presumably, sometime between now and then, the online edition - the edition I was referring to - has begun reporting the earliest known usage in English. So, there you go :^)
29 posted on 05/04/2003 9:26:42 AM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
1991: "I think God made all people good. But if we had to take a million immigrants in, say Zulus, next year, or Englishmen, and put them in Virginia, which group would be easier to assimilate and would cause less problems for the people of Virginia?"

Pat Buchanan said this? And you see this as a problem? You must be some kind of weirdo Palpatine.....

30 posted on 05/04/2003 9:32:18 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: general_re
Okay, okay - it was the 1966 Encyclopedia Britannica. Happy now? Sheesh ;)
31 posted on 05/04/2003 9:36:21 AM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Give me a third world guy with a work ethic and an ability to haggle, and he'll be a good American. You can keep a socialist member of the white mobocracy with a sense of entitlement in England or France - I don't want him.
32 posted on 05/04/2003 9:38:17 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (if it has walked, talked and quacked like a duck for 25 years, it is a duck)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
That is an incredible collection of quotes and unmistakable in their animus.PJB and his cohorts are loons.Gee, it's nice when a side benefit to this War has been the complete discrediting of his tattered reputation, and hopefully all who defiantly seek solace under his umbrella.Thanks!
33 posted on 05/04/2003 9:38:59 AM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
LOL! You work for the UN right?
34 posted on 05/04/2003 9:41:02 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Pat Buchanan said this? And you see this as a problem? You must be some kind of weirdo Palpatine"

But no one will ever be able to call *him* a racist or Jew hater like certain other posters who infest FreeRepublic.
35 posted on 05/04/2003 9:45:46 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
LOL. Quite a Buchanan dossier you keep. Truth is an absolute defense - so which is not true?.

Moment of truth arriving on Bush's American interest two-state, two year Israel/Palestine peace plan. Which 'neo-cons' (Christian or Jewish) will support Bush and which will support Sharon?

Pat calls himself and his magazine an "America Conservative".

The Buchanan-cons = America first, constitution loving, abortion hating patriots. Neo-cons = liberal, world controlling, 'war everywhere' chickenhawks.

36 posted on 05/04/2003 9:46:34 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: general_re
"Presumably, sometime between now and then, the online edition - the edition I was referring to - has begun reporting the earliest known usage in English. So, there you go :^)"

I have the complete OED in book form (you should see the size of it!) and on CD-Rom and it does the very same thing.

37 posted on 05/04/2003 9:47:56 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Third world guys don't expect perks, paid vacations, pensions or high pay. They come in, do their job, and leave at the end of the day.

Your beloved white mobocrats are always busy organizing on you, lobbying for higher pay or more benefits, and doing it all while they're on your dime.

38 posted on 05/04/2003 9:48:04 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (if it has walked, talked and quacked like a duck for 25 years, it is a duck)
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To: general_re
Shouldn't it be "anti-Levite"?
39 posted on 05/04/2003 9:48:34 AM PDT by MHT
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To: ex-snook
"Moment of truth arriving on Bush's American interest two-state, two year Israel/Palestine peace plan. Which 'neo-cons' (Christian or Jewish) will support Bush and which will support Sharon?"

What warped logic. If a person doesn't support Bush on the ridiculous "road map" it makes one a traitor?

40 posted on 05/04/2003 9:49:50 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: MHT
"Shouldn't it be "anti-Levite"?"

A small and quite unimportant truth. Really it should be Jew hater.
41 posted on 05/04/2003 9:51:43 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: ex-snook
Moment of truth arriving on Bush's American interest two-state, two year Israel/Palestine peace plan. Which 'neo-cons' (Christian or Jewish) will support Bush and which will support Sharon?

Bush and Sharon are on the same page on this issue. .....And btw, it's a non-issue. This 'roadmap' is nothing but a device to placate the Arab masses (and their gov'ts) while we take care of the business at hand in the Middle East. Both Bush and Sharon know that a "Palestinian" state will never happen.

42 posted on 05/04/2003 9:52:06 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Chipata
But no one will ever be able to call *him* a racist or Jew hater like certain other posters who infest FreeRepublic.

LOL! Save the script for someone else. I don't buy that crap....

43 posted on 05/04/2003 9:52:18 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: ex-snook
"The Buchanan-cons = America first, constitution loving, abortion hating patriots."

The reality:

"America hating, constitution distorting, traitors."

It doesn't help that they are also quite evil Jew haters either. Buchanan would have been America's answer to Hitler, but Americans had far too much sense.
44 posted on 05/04/2003 9:54:10 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: Joe Hadenuf
"Save the script for someone else. I don't buy that crap"

It's not what you're buying that concerns me, it's the vile ideology that you peddle that is the issue.

You are the very worst of America: The bigot and philistine.
45 posted on 05/04/2003 9:56:19 AM PDT by Chipata
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To: widowithfoursons
Because it was appropriated by 20th century media.
46 posted on 05/04/2003 9:57:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (I know you rider, gonna miss me when I'm gone)
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To: Chipata
You just see an American firster, behind every rock. Some of you people are obsessed with Hitler! Don't be so dang paranoid. LOL! Put it behind you pal.......
47 posted on 05/04/2003 9:57:50 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: Chipata
LOL!
48 posted on 05/04/2003 9:58:21 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (i)
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To: Chipata
"It doesn't help that they are also quite evil Jew haters either. Buchanan would have been America's answer to Hitler, but Americans had far too much sense. "


49 posted on 05/04/2003 9:58:41 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: sinkspur
What's confusing is that I have been called a neo-con by folks here as well as by some liberal friends and the term is pretty elusive. What it seems is that the "Paleos" are generally isolationist and the "Neos" are generally internationalist (and even this doesn't always seem to hold true) and the rest of the rhetoric is all window dressing.
50 posted on 05/04/2003 9:59:09 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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