The deadliest battle yet for Conservatism: The Homosexual Juggernaut versus the Culture of Life.

Catholic Family Association of America/ Free Republic ^ | 5/4/03 | Dr. Brian Kopp, Vice President, Catholic Family Association of America

[Polycarp]

In talking with my friends and contacts among conservative Christian pro-life and pro-family activists, one point is slowly coming into focus among all of us:

For all practical purposes, we lost the battle against abortion 30 years ago, and we're nowhere near turning the tide on the issuse.

However, we are fighting --AND LOSING-- another, more emotionally charged and bitter battle in this war for the Culture of Life against the Culture of Death.

That battle is against the growing menace of the homosexual juggernaut (jug·ger·naut: a massive inexorable force, campaign, movement, or object that crushes whatever is in its path .)

And we are losing this battle faster than we lost the abortion battle, for several reasons.

The first, and most obvious reason is that few are able or willing to take on this enemy. The homosexual agenda and its adherents are 1) well funded, 2) well organized, 3) highly politically motivated, 4) possess far more influence than their numbers would suggest because of their high level of disposable income and support from other left leaning ideologues who share similar attachments to perversions of other types, and 5) ruthless.

Most homosexual lobbyists have no Christian scruples modifying their behavior and propaganda/spin efforts.

They are not only willing to boldly lie to move their aganda forward, they also have the means and desire to viciously destroy anyone they perceive as an "enemy" against their cause. Look no further that their vicious persecution and mischarecterization of Rick Santorum. Then check out some typical related threads on this Forum:
'Gay’ Log Cabin GOP Minnesota Leader Linked to Violence-Prone ‘UsQueers’ Website,
"Even more posts on homosexuality...i'm curious as to why?"
How Homosexuals Are Changing the Church
Watching a Great Paper [Los Angeles Times] Dive Into Pedophilia Chic
"Tolerance" of the Pro-Sodomy Crowd: Typical 'GRAPHIC' us_queers@yahoogroups.com propaganda
Homosexuals Threaten Aggressive Campaign to Pass UN Human Rights Law)

Against this level of viciousness and victriol, many conservatives are unwilling to speak up.

There is an obvious fear of being painted "intolerant" or "homophobic" and this is of set purpose. The homosexual activists are masters of intimidation, spin, ad hominem, and media manipulation, in order to silence any criticism of their agenda whatsoever.

They desire to, and are masters of, marginalizing mainstream America, of which a majority still maintain that homosexual behavior is disordered, deviant, and/or sinful. On no other issue has the overused cliche been more apt, than that the silence of the majority on the homosexual issue has become almost complete.

Finally, there is the very real terrorism utilized against those who articulately speak out against the homosexual juggernaut. Look no further than the text of the email in this thread, "Tolerance" of the Pro-Sodomy Crowd: Typical 'GRAPHIC' us_queers@yahoogroups.com propaganda. I have close personal friends who, in fighting the homosexual agenda, have received multiple death threats from the homosexual activists who oppose them.

This IS the battle of this decade.

It IS the current battle for the soul of conservatism, and thus, the soul of the GOP.

Are we, the mainstream majority of Americans who still maintain that homosexual behavior is disordered, deviant, and/or sinful going to sit silently while the homosexual juggernaut. Are we going to sit idly by while the GOP courts this tiny percentage of its electorate while turning their backs on the grassroots majority of the GOP?

The GOP as a whole is at present making more inroads in inviting the homosexual lobby into the "big tent" than they are making progress in fighting for the Culture of Life.

Conservatives cannot afford to be reactive this time. Unlike Roe Versus Wade, we cannot afford to wait till we have already lost the political and judicial battles to organize and fight this onrushing juggernaut.

What are we, what are YOU personally, doing, or planning on doing, to turn back this juggernaut?

Conservatism has been a far too silent majority on the issue of the homosexual agenda.

We need to organize the Culture of Life to fight this agenda NO LESS THAN 30 years ago we needed to organize the Pro-Life movement, which has grown and flourished everywhere today.

What are we going to do?

Why are so many of you still silent?

[Polycarp]

a proactive ping

[pianomikey]

Remember that their 6) advantage is that they took the preemptive highground, saying "We aren't hurting anyone, but you're hurting us." That is a difficult battle to fight.

[Ferret Fawcet]

Excellent article.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Bump.

All conservative ideology comes down to two questions:

1. Where do you stand on abortion?

2. Where do you stand on homosexuality?

Those two questions define the debate, and separate the righteous from the mushy-headed and evil.

RnMom, maybe you could ping the Reformed among us.

[Camber-G]

... 3) highly politically motivated ...

This is the key to win your fight ... if you can't politically motivate the conservatives then no other strategy will have a lasting effect.

[demosthenes the elder]

If you have a pinglist on this issue, please add me to it.
I am fairly moderate on the subject of homosexuality itself, in that so long as they are no more obnoxious about their activities than normal heterosexuals I will not bother them.
I am also, however, heartily tired of the BS of the political and social agendas and activities of the various homosexual lobbies.
I am, additionally, quite fed up with the tactics used against me and other moderates by the rabidly pro-homosexuals with whom I debate various assertions, attitudes, and claims.
I do not enjoy being screamed-at and tarred-and-feathered by these miswired and militant morons.
Ammunition and support is certainly welcome.

[Qwerty]

"Are we, the mainstream majority of Americans who still maintain that homosexual behavior is disordered, deviant, and/or sinful going to sit silently while the homosexual juggernaut. "

While the "homosexual juggernaut" does what? Did you forget to come back to that sentence and finish it with whatever fantasy world idea it is today that you have about the "homosexual agenda"?

[MHGinTN]

Truth, that is the most effective weapon, to be used with fearlessness at every opportunity. Deviant behaviors cost the taxpayers in dollars and lives. The diseases connected with deviant behavior (and we're not just talkin' homosexual deviant behavior) are very costly to the society as a whole. That's why there are laws to regulate behaviors which effect the entire society, endanger the citizens, and corrode the culture.

[BenR2]

But what's wrong with a little buggery addiction? (End sarcasm here.)

[Temujin]

I agree motivation is important to victory in any Political Strategy ,but what is really the point of "victory" here? To maintain a status-quo?

It won't put money in you'r pocket, it won't decrease the size of the overbearing Federal Government, and it won't get Hillary Clinton out of office.

I do disagree with the idea of the article, and even if I didn't disagree, there would be more important battles to fight, and better hills to die on, in more important issues.

[Mr. Mojo]

All conservative ideology comes down to two questions: 1. Where do you stand on abortion? 2. Where do you stand on homosexuality?

How about RKBA?

[RKV]

Please define how someone else's private homosexual behavior directly affects your life, rights or property? Further, please explain how other's toleration for your religion allows your to force your your beliefs on them. I am a white anglo-saxon protestant male heterosexual with two college degrees and a family, so don't start accusing me of being a troll, or otherwise. You may hold certain ideas self-evident, but others of us want your explanation, for the record. Please don't refer to scripture as authority. What the Bible says about homosexuality is clear and unequivocal (and negative). Not everyone believes the same thing (religion-wise) and they are citizens, too. I think the point here is that conservatism ought to recognise the limits of what government can and should do. Not everything which is immoral should be illegal, and not everything which is desirable should be mandatory.

[TLBSHOW]

The Problem is from the top down with this matter....

Bush Actions Advance Homosexual Agenda

From: Ken Connor, President

To: Friends of Family Research Council
September 27, 2001

President Bush has shown inspirational leadership in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks. He has united and rallied the country, and he is forging an international alliance against the scourge of terrorism. While the nation's attention understandably is focused on the war against terrorism and the effects of the dastardly attacks, pro-family advocates must remain alert to a disturbing trend we have identified in the Bush administration.

We're all familiar with celebrity product endorsements. Having Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan or Cal Ripken Jr. endorse a product is enormously powerful. President Bush's implicit endorsement of the homosexual political agenda is having the same effect. The president's actions, tantamount to an endorsement, are imparting legitimacy to the homosexual political cause.

Yesterday, for example, I reported how for the first time Congress voted to allow publicly funded homosexual partner benefits in the District of Columbia. Why was the nine-year ban on DC gay partner benefits lifted? We lost this vote because 41 Republicans bolted to join 184 Democrats. Doubtless some of these GOP defectors took a cue from the White House, which has been sending clear signals that the administration has embraced significant portions of the homosexual agenda. Consider Mr. Bush's record on the issue:

* As a candidate, Mr. Bush met with the Log Cabin Republicans, a group of homosexual activists. Two of the six activists he met with have since been given high-level jobs in the administration.

* The Bush campaign insisted that openly homosexual Congressman Jim Kolbe of Arizona be given a prominent speaking role at the Republican National Convention. It was Rep. Kolbe who introduced the amendment lifting the ban on gay partner benefits in DC despite a bipartisan agreement that such controversial measures would not be introduced while the nation was still reeling from the September 11 terrorist attacks.

* President Bush named former Massachusetts Gov. Paul Cellucci, a militant advocate of homosexual rights, as U.S. ambassador to Canada. For years, pro-family advocates in Massachusetts fought to block Gov. Cellucci's promotion of the homosexual agenda in the state's public schools.

* President Bush named Scott Evertz, a prominent gay activist, to head the White House AIDS Office. Mr. Evertz, who has almost no experience dealing with public health issues, was one of the Log Cabin Republicans who met with Mr. Bush during the campaign.

* In August, another of the activists who attended that meeting, Donald A. Cappoccia, was appointed to the U.S. Commission on Fine Arts, which among other things has authority over monuments and memorials in Washington.

* And just a week ago, Secretary of State Colin Powell swore in as U.S. Ambassador to Romania openly homosexual foreign service officer Michael Guest. Secretary Powell recognized Mr. Guest's "partner" of six years, Alex Nevarez, who was on stage for the ceremony and who reportedly will live with the ambassador in the official U.S. residence in Bucharest. (Is this the Bush administration's idea of promoting family values abroad?) A spokesman for the Human Rights Campaign, a homosexual lobbying group, said, "It is heartwarming to hear the secretary acknowledge [Mr. Guest's] entire family, including his partner. That small gesture spoke volumes."

Indeed, such actions do speak volumes. While the president's rhetoric and proclamations about the importance of family are welcomed, and we have praised him for them, his actions in this area speak at least as loudly as his words. There seems to be a disturbing disconnection between Mr. Bush's rhetoric on behalf of the family and the reality of the agenda occurring under his administration. Rhetoric is a poor substitute for action.

The administration's promotion of the homosexual agenda is part of a political strategy being run out of the White House chiefly by Mary Matalin, wife of Democrat strategist James Carville, and a founder of the pro-homosexual Republican Unity Coalition. Activists such as Ms. Matalin worked behind the scenes at the Republican Convention to remove the strong pro-family planks from the GOP platform. Only the vigilance and hard work of FRC and other pro-family organizations in Philadelphia stopped the "big tent" advocates from using the GOP platform as a vehicle for advancing the radical homosexual agenda.

The cumulative effect of these presidential actions, like a sports superstar endorsing a breakfast cereal, have enormous influence. Giving the government's stamp of approval to "gay partners" undermines the unique character of marriage and makes it progressively harder to hold the line against demands that we extend legal recognition to same-sex unions as the equivalent of marriage. The homosexual lobby understands this perfectly. Pro-family advocates need to be no less politically savvy.

We urge President Bush to reconsider his embrace of this destructive, anti-family political strategy, and reject the advice of those advisers who would undermine marriage and family for the sake of illusory political benefits.

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/bushhomosexualagenda.html


There should be no place for the gay agenda in this country as it is an assault on the family. Not to mention it goes against God and what he created. He made women for man not man for man or women for women. If people refuse to see the truth that is their problem. God is not mocked. Anyone that reads the Bible knows where God stands on this issue and if they promote the gay agenda they do not know God.

[Alain2112]

All conservative ideology comes down to two questions:

1. Where do you stand on abortion?

2. Where do you stand on homosexuality?

Bravo! Excellent point, and concisely stated; I'll keep this in mind when I talk to my friends.

[sinkspur]

Conservatives stood aside and allowed the legalized murder of over 40,000,000 innocent, defenseless, unborn children since 1973. The blood is on our hands because we did not fight hard enough to stop it.

Nonsense. Abortion was legal in some states prior to 1973. If Roe V. Wade were overturned (which it ought to be) it would return to the states, where it would likely be legal in over half the states. Texans don't have much influence on legislators in New York, so New York would allow abortion, no matter what I did.

And a constitutional amendment banning abortion would never pass in our lifetimes.

More can be done to promote pro-life candidates, to be sure, but to put the blood of abortion on the hands of people who oppose it is silly.

Unless of course, you're a fan of that Kopp character who just confessed to murdering an abortionist, and think THAT'S the way to go.

Which is even sillier.

[Mr. Mojo]

The founders that established the greatest nation on earth, also banned pornography, blasphemy, fornication, adultery.....

Straight question: Do you think that the above-mentioned should be punished my jail time?

[MHGinTN]

Did you miss the part about diseases? STDs, if you wish. Do you think drunkeness helps or harms the whole society due to the burden of accidents, family strife, welfare roles, and treatment for alcoholics? Is pernicious drug use adding anything to society, or even holding society at a net zero sum?

[Temujin]

The Alabama Supreme court? Yes Alabama is such a sunbeam of enlightend social legislation, isn't it?

"What is even more dishearting is the vile libertarian presence on "conservative" message boards such as this, that spout their pro-sodomite views as being the voice of conservatives."

I am somwhat libertarian, although I am fiscally conservative. If this is aimed at me, I say, please just put it away. All these "Us-es and We-s" just , let us speak for ourselves.

Sodomites? Who cares what they do? It is between them and amoung them, it affects you only if you let it, and it hurts you only so much as you care.

It is an issue nether here nor there ,in the grand scheme of things it won't change Trade Deficits, Federal taxes or Congressional Re-Districting lines. In other words, it's not important, and not a practicle concern.

It is a silly waste of time for the GOP and Conservative parties to waste their resources to support failing defences against somthing that is immenent in social legislation.

[Arthur McGowan]

The reason that the "Right" in America cannot counter the "gay-rights" agenda is that they have absolutely no logical basis on which to do so. As Andrew Sullivan has rightly pointed out, in his recent article, "We Are All Sodomites Now," once the use of contraception became accepted, the intellectual case against homosexual acts collapsed--for the simple reason that it is logically incoherent for a person to accept one way of committing sodomy (contraception) while opposing other ways of committing sodomy. The Republican Party is incapable of opposing the use of contraception, and therefore the Republican Party is incapable of opposing the full legitimation of any other form of sodomy.

There are many who will not admit that contraception is a species of sodomy, but their refusal to concede this fact intellectually will not prevent the logical consequences of contraception from being played out socially.

[MHGinTN]

"And a constitutional amendment banning abortion would never pass in our lifetimes." Depends on how old you are, Sink, and how the amendment would be written. Are you falling into 'magic thinking'?

[RKV]

Whose morality do we enforce, and a what point does the will of the majority become tyranny? I doubt you will find a similar federal opinion.

[MHGinTN]

Sodomites? Who cares what they do? It is between them and amoung them, it affects you only if you let it, and it hurts you only so much as you care. That is a bold-faced lie easily refuted by the insurance industry!

[RKV]

I do not deny any of the negative consequences of homosexual conduct, nor do I commend it, nor any other self-destructive behavior. My question is a bit more limited - namely, "How and when do we decide to legislate, and when not to?" I ask this to elicit a coherent, logical response, not an emotional one.

[MHGinTN]

I doubt you will find a similar federal opinion.Are you familiar with the Roe and Bolton decisions, Planned Parenthood of Pennsylvania v Casey, fiat rulings from SCOTUS?

[Mr. Jeeves]

There is only one deadly issue for Conservatism: Are we going to allow government to grow so far beyond its Constitutional bounds that America becomes just another dictatorship?

All else is dross, and detrimental to the great cause of restoring Constitutional government.

[Camber-G]

Generally a good post except for this part ...

... Conservatives by definition cannot be pro-sodomite ...

Yes they can be and still be conservative in all the "political" ways. Conversely, a political liberal can also be against homosexual rights from a religious stand point. The goal for the American Family Forum type groups is to make the abolition of all homosexual rights a politically conservative issue. They've not a good enough job of that, yet.

[Mr. Mojo]

So if a 40 year old unmarried man has sex with a 40 year old unmarried woman, you'd throw them both in jail for "fornication"? You're quite a sick fellow. May I suggest a move to Saudi Arabia. What a minute....Do you happen to already be a member of "the religion of peace?"

[sinkspur]

Did you miss the part about diseases? STDs, if you wish. Do you think drunkeness helps or harms the whole society due to the burden of accidents, family strife, welfare roles, and treatment for alcoholics? Is pernicious drug use adding anything to society, or even holding society at a net zero sum?

If you're hanging your argument on diseases, you'd better be careful.

Heart disease kills and harms more Americans than STDs, AIDS, and alcoholism combined.

And non-genetic heart disease is caused by lifestyle.

Cancers are the second-biggest killer, with the evidence, again, that lifestyle is the biggest contributor.

If diseases are the biggest concern, shouldn't we be waging war on people who eat too much?

[Mr. Mojo]

Ah...I see your most recent incarnation here at FR has been around only for a couple days. I give you a week more, max.

[MHGinTN]

My first response reagrding the costs/effects to osciety apparently didn't go as you had planned. Now you want to alter your requests? How and why to legislate against behaviors has to do with the costs/effects upon the society.

[Jimbaugh]

The reason that the "Right" in America cannot counter the "gay-rights" agenda is that they have absolutely no logical basis on which to do so. As Andrew Sullivan has rightly pointed out, in his recent article, "We Are All Sodomites Now,"

I have an will fight the GayStapo. I don't need a logical basis to fight the Gay-Rights people. All I need to do it take a look a who is on their side. If you want Andrew Sullican and the boys from NAMBLA in charge of the schools then just grab another beer and sit right down on your couch I can guarantee you that it is going to be a great show.

LeavetheKidsAlone.com

[sinkspur]

Depends on how old you are, Sink, and how the amendment would be written.

How would you write a constitutional amendment that would even pass both Houses of Congress by 2/3 vote, to say nothing about getting 38 states to agree?

It's best to return abortion to the states and the will of the voters.

[RKV]

Its been quite a while since I read Roe. That said, if by your comment, you point out that the federal judiciary has long had the practice of ruling on subjects which were fit for the legislature (and not the courts) then I agree. See how the 2nd Amendment has been slowly destroyed, case by case, for a further example of judicial tyranny.

[MHGinTN]

Pay attention to current events, Sink. Do the lawsuits against tobacco companies serve to limit behaviors which effect health? Do the lawsuits against fast food providers serve to limit behaviors that effect health?

[PeoplesRepublicOfWashington]

But, in truth, they are not only hurting us, they are hurting themselves even more. Male homosexuality is about five times more risky, in terms of average lifetime lost by practitioners, than is that most evil of activities, smoking cigarettes. By saying that it is okay to puff peters is to foster the creation of more peter puffers. More peter puffers means more premature loss of life. Also, a male homosexual is about 10 times more likely to prey upon children than is a male heterosexual. More peter puffers means more abused children.

[Temujin]

To that I counter :

Let us assume you are right, that higher desease rates result. What are we to do about it? There is not much that is to be done, to drive the behavior underground through harsh legislation would cause deseases to spread even more.

And in any case, their STDs really shouldn't rub off on you unless you've been rubbing on them , or somthing to that order.

Further, married couples spend more than the aggregate of two single individuals. This is true. So would legalizing gay marraige be good for the economy? By the books, yes.

These are both academic points though, we msut deal with situations as they currently are, not as how we would like them to be.

[RKV]

Not all citizens believe in the same God, or any God at all for that matter. It is immoral to force your religious beliefs on them, which is why the US does not have an established religion, like the British do.

[sinkspur]

The founders that wrote the Constitution, The Founders that fought, bled, and died for our liberty and independence, The founders that established the greatest nation on earth, also banned pornography, blasphemy, fornication, adultery, and sodomy.

Yes they did.

They did not, however, ban the right of one man to hold another man in bondage.

Those founders had their priorities straight, that's for sure.

[Camber-G]

... I don't need a logical basis to fight the Gay-Rights people ...

Of course you don't, but in passing legislation, from the local to federal level, a logical defense of your position has merit.

[Mr. Mojo]

Nice dodge, but I'd a appreciate a yes or no answer to MY question. To repeat: If an adult unmarried man has sex with an adult unmarried woman, would you advocate throwing them both in jail for "fornication"?

[Polycarp]

Please define how someone else's private homosexual behavior directly affects your life, rights or property?

A friend of mine is sitting in jail right now, having lived a life of severely self destructive behavior for many years. His current incarceration is for DUI.

From the time he was 13 to 15, he had a steady girlfriend, and was a quiet, well adjusted, normal kid.

At age 15 he was sexually molested by three male homosexuals, and in the process was introduced to drugs (need those whip its to open up a virginal anal sphincter, you know) and heavy alcohol abuse. He has lived a self destructive homosexual lifestyle ever since, a lifestyle induced by molestation and coerced drug and alcohol use at an early age.

I'm personally helping arrange his counseling and legal representation in the lawsuit against his homosexual molestors.

His life has been destroyed by these homosexual predators, yet many here and elsewhere have the unmitigated gall to castigate those of us battling this homosexual juggernaut, especially in regards to the efforts of the GOP to court the homosexual vote.

This type of predatory sexual abuse of young teenage boys is typical chickenhawking homosexual behavior. I've seen it so many times its enough to make me vomit.

And I guarantee if any of them ever touches one of my boys, there will be no trial, only a burial.

Furthermore, the credibility of my entire Church has been undermined by homosexuals who infiltrated its priesthood and systematically buggered its teenage altar boys for years.

And the same types who would criticize the Church for this buggering, also criticize the Church for being so "intolerant" of the homosexual agenda.

This chickenhawking is an integral part of the homosexual subculture, and tacitly and explicitly accepted by the entire movement.(See 1-14 below). Thus the call for lowering the age of consent for homosexual sex across the board by the homosexual movement.

The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to this Republic and the institution of the family upon which all decent societies are built.

The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to our children, as chickenhawking is an integral part of its culture (see 1-14 below). Homosexuals do not reproduce. They are not "born that way." But they do recruit. They are actively trying to recruit your children and mine.

The homosexual juggernaut presents a clear and present danger to our health system.

Mankind has spent several millenia developing effective and sanitary methods of disposing human waste.

Mankind knows that human waste is the source of deadly diseases.

Mankind knows that highly promiscuous sexual behavior of any kind brings with it high morbidity and mortality. Homosexual behavior is inherently promiscuous, as every single sociological study on the subject has repeatedly proven.

Male homosexual behavior is essentially desirous of methods to literally and figuratively swim upstream to the sources of that human waste, with as many different partners as humanly possible.

Therefore, homosexual behavior is deadly and definitely decreases the homosexual's life expectancy, and the visceral repulsion it engenders is a natural, wholesome, and common sense response.

Public health records demonstrate that homosexuals, representing 2 percent of America's population, suffer vastly disproportionate percentages of several of America's most serious STDs, with incidences among homosexuals of diseases like gonorrhea, syphilis, hepatitis A and B, cytomegalovirus, shigellosis, giardiasis, amoebic bowel disease and herpes far exceeding their presence in the general population. These are due to common homosexual practices that include fellatio, anilingus, digital stimulation of the rectum and ingestion of urine and feces.

An exhaustive study in The New England Journal of Medicine, medical literature's only study reporting on homosexuals who kept sexual "diaries," indicated the average homosexual ingests the fecal material of 23 different men each year. The same study indicated the number of annual sexual partners averaged nearly 100. Homosexuals averaged, per year, fellating 106 different men and swallowing 50 of their seminal ejaculations, and 72 penile penetrations of the anus. (Corey, L, and Holmes, K.K., "Sexual Transmission of Hepatitis A in Homosexual Men," New England Journal of Medicine, 1980, vol 302: 435-438; as quoted in "Homosexuality and Civil Rights," Tony Marco, 1992).

A study by McKusick, et al., of 655 San Francisco homosexuals reported that only 24 percent of the sample claimed to have been "monogamous" during the past year, and of this 24 percent, 5 percent drank urine, 7 percent engag-ed in sex involving insertion of a fist in their rectums, 33 percent ingested feces, 53 percent swallowed semen and 59 percent received semen in their rectums in the month just previous to the survey ("AIDS and Sexual Behavior Reported by Homosexual Men in San Francisco," American Journal of Public Health, December 1985, 75: 493-496; quoted in "Homosexuality and Civil Rights," Tony Marco, 1992).

This is my answer to the question, "Please define how someone else's private homosexual behavior directly affects your life, rights or property?"

As long as this homosexual juggernaut looms over us, pro-family folks and all men of good will, desirous of defending and spreading the Culture of Life, will engage the battle and fight this integral and insidious piece of the Culture of Death.

*****

The Homosexual Lifestyle & Practices

• A study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control revealed that 50% of male homosexuals have had over 500 different sexual partners. For AIDS victims the average is 1,100 different sexual partners.
• In one study, two homosexual researchers found that 73% of adult male homosexuals had had sex with boys age 19 or younger.
• 93% report anal sexual relations.
• 92% report oral/anal sexual activity.
• 17% report eating and/or rubbing themselves with the feces of their partners.
• 29% report urinating on or in their partners.
• 37% report sadomasochism.
• 42% report "handballing" or "fisting" where the hand or arm is inserted into the rectum of their partner.
• 32% report bondage.
• 12% report giving or receiving of enemas for sexual pleasure.
• 15% report sex with animals.

*****

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To: MrLeRoy; Jorge

You go to and find me evidence from gay culture..from gay communities, web sites and organizations and document your claim that sex with minors is an integral part of the gay community.

The fact is you can't..because you are wrong. homosexual acts were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded in the scientific and forensic literature. This "evidence" is utterly irrelevant to your original claim.

Your reading comprehension and retension skills are woefully deficient. I'll help you with a little review of excerpts from my recent posts:

1)The Gay Report (Summit Books, 1979, p. 275), a survey of homosexual attitudes and behavior by Jay and Young, two homosexual researchers, revealed that 73% of homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys 16 years of age or younger. [otherwise known as...chickenhawking!]

2)>In their comparison study of The Advocate (mainstream homo publication!)...49% "Gay " male biographies (n=166 ) reporting sex with boys, 41% "Gay " travel in foreign countries (n=139 ) rating laws on sex with boys.

3)In 1987, The Journal of Homosexuality "the scholarly organ of the gay rights movement " published "Pedophilia and the Gay Movement." (29) Author Theo Sandfort detailed homosexual efforts to end "oppression towards pedophilia." In 1980 the largest Dutch gay organization (the COC) "adopted the position that the liberation of pedophilia must be viewed as a gay issue... [and that] ages of consent should therefore be abolished...

4)In 1990 COC achieved a significant victory: lowering of the age of consent for homosexual sex in Holland to 12

5)The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)

6)In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)

7)In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)

8)The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, "Male Intergenerational Intimacy," containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home."

9)In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."

10)Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, "Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist": "In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it."

11)In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a "Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

12) Homosexuality 'youth-oriented'? "Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture," Baldwin wrote. "Very few gays exhibit preference for older men."

13)"Some admit to focus on teenage boys," he said, "some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories."

14)According to the study, "Archives of Sexual Behavior," some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves. "For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement's leaders liars," he said. "Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community." "I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis," Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

300 posted on 05/02/2003 2:37 PM EDT by Polycarp ("He who denies the existence of God, has some reason for wishing that God did not exist.")
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Always remember the words of Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg:

As an attorney for the ACLU Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg co-authored a report recommending that the age of consent for sexual acts be lowered to 12 years of age ("Sex Bias in the U.S. Code," Report for the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, April 1977, p. 102).

The paragraph reads as follows: "Eliminate the phrase "carnal knowledge of any female, not his wife, who has not attained the age of 16 years" and substitute a federal, sex-neutral definition of the offense.... A person is guilty of an offense if he engages in a sexual act with another person.... [and] the other person is, in fact, less than 12 years old..)"

[LanPB01]

"Please define how someone else's private homosexual behavior directly affects your life, rights or property?"

You said it, buddy. There's a large group on Free Republic that, apparently, think homosexuals are the biggest threat to the United States today. Excuse me if I couldn't care less about what consenting adults do to each other in the privacy of their own homes. I guess I'm one of those libertarian heathen. Please, people, spare me the nonsense about how homos spread disease! So do heterosexuals, last I heard!

[RKV]

Touche! I would add that they also had a tendency to view the property rights of the natives with little regard. I say that as one whose family claimed land by "tomahawk right." We can't change history, but we should be up front about facts.

[Polycarp]

Unless of course, you're a fan of that Kopp character who just confessed to murdering an abortionist, and think THAT'S the way to go.

Just for clarification:

That was James Kopp.

My name is Dr. Brian Kopp, and I wrote the essay that started this thread.

James Kopp is no relation, either by name or philosophy.