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Blood On Their Hands: Exposing Pro-abortion Catholic Politicians
Crisis ^ | Mark Stricherz

Posted on 05/04/2003 4:58:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: nickcarraway
BTW,

In regards to the article. We don't call counties counties, we call them parishes.
21 posted on 05/04/2003 5:46:24 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
Yes, in Louisiana.
22 posted on 05/04/2003 5:47:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
I have always been sorely disappointed/disgusted that the Vatican has not leaned heaviliy on the damn bishops (choosing my words carefully) to deal more harshly with pro-aborts/pro-sodommites. This policy of "Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them. Ignoring the issues doesn't help, and allows more to stray. No way should any person, politician or otherwise, be allowed to receive Holy Communion. The thought of Fat Boy Kennedy receiving it makes me ill; thankfully, he will be dealt with later.

I've said it before many times - the Catholic Church is not a political organization whose doctrine can be changed over time through moral "change" or majority opinion. His Word and Teachings do not "evolve" - what is right is right, today as it was 2000 years ago.

23 posted on 05/04/2003 5:47:42 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: EternalVigilance
How can they say they are Catholic,shame on them.
24 posted on 05/04/2003 5:48:15 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: nickcarraway
This one got it exactly right--about the bishops as much as about the politicians. The Perez example is one I myself remember. I often wonder why contemporary bishops are so much less steadfast--unless, of course, they themselves do not really believe abortion is wrong either.
25 posted on 05/04/2003 5:49:54 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: GreatOne
Oh, we don't want to be so harsh that we lose congregants" is ignorant - if the congregants continue to believe this crap, then you've already lost them.>>

We may get some more people back who couldn't take the BS anymore and left. I think it will work out for the better when the church starts upholding it's own laws.
26 posted on 05/04/2003 5:50:20 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills Babies)
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To: madprof98
And the Bishop Rummel actualy ended up doing Perez a favor-he came back to the Church after truly repenting. That's what being a shepherd is all about.
27 posted on 05/04/2003 5:53:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
"“Pro-choice” Catholic politicians support abortion mostly for political reasons. The U.S. bishops say this is unacceptable. So why do they accept it? "

Duh... lemmme think...maybe because their voters don't care what U.S. bishops say about it... Ya'think?

28 posted on 05/04/2003 5:53:55 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: nickcarraway
I suspect that Ms. Mikulski has more problems with the Catholic Church than abortion. Like maybe rampant Lesbianism? But then, the Liberal pukes in Maryland don't really give a damn. Nor does the Archbishop.


29 posted on 05/04/2003 5:56:23 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: nickcarraway
Thank you for pinging me, but after you read the following you may decide to pull my name from your ping list. But those ready for strong meat, have ears to hear, for I offer this in Christian love, to chide my fellow Christians on this Sabbath day.

To borrow from Tom Daschle, "I'm deeply saddened." Why? ... Because the Catholic Church has lain with the whore, to speak metaphorically, and Biblically!

Bishop Hart looked as­kance at this question. Then he said, “Well, it would be a very rare situation that we would deny Communion to anyone.”
“Have you talked to Senator Dodd about his views on abortion and cloning?”
“That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly.
“Can you think of any circumstances in which Communion would be denied?”
Bishop Hart paused. He turned slightly and thought the matter over for about ten seconds. Finally he said, with the air of someone genuinely stumped, “I can’t think of any situation where I would deny Holy Communion.”
In such a posture, communion wouldn't be Holy from this Bishop, merely a hollow ritual.

Such an man does not represent MY LORD and Savior. The Catholic Church presents itself as intermediary between man and God. If the Church cannot and/or will not as policy withhold the Flesh and Blood of My Lord from persons supporting the slaughter of fellow individual human beings, the Church is no longer in touch with God and has lain with the whore.

What the failure of the Church to uphold righteousness is leading to is the tacit acceptance of human cannibalism. Imagine, it will be the cannibalized bodies of individual human lives conceived solely for harvesting body parts that the Church will be completely impotent to oppose, because the Church has not stood for righteousness regarding the alive unborn with their own members!

The 'whoremongering' Church has given cover to the enemies of Life for so long now, the Church is no longer in touch with The Savior. Some Priests and Bishops still strive to serve Our Lord, but as a body, the edicts of the Holy Father are routinely ignored by Priests and Bishops thus giving cover to reprobate catholics. It is the Lord who will judge this whoremongering, this gross failure to be His Priests. It is the Lord's forgiveness the Church ought seek, and prove repentance with action.

The Church gives lip service to piety yet allows the practicing Catholic to establish the rules, individually. It is clear that Jesus is no longer the acknowledged leader of the Church, establishing what is written at the end of Judges, "In those days there was no King in Israel, and everyman did what was right in his own eyes." Read again what Bishop Hart asserted, and see in his smarmy complicity the words found in Judges: “That would be a personal thing,” he said plainly. Yes, to choose what is right and wrong is a personal thing, not the purview of a Church laying with The Whore.

30 posted on 05/04/2003 6:05:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Good Lord! I just ate dinner! Warn a person next time before you put up a picture of that bloviated murderer.

How're ya, anyway? Hope all is well with ewe. ;)

31 posted on 05/04/2003 6:08:28 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: nickcarraway
I grew up in college during the civil rights movement, during the early days of the conflict over the war in Vietnam, the environmental movement, and the women’s movement

Open wide, Kerry. I got a movement for ya.

32 posted on 05/04/2003 6:18:39 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: cpforlife.org
If more American Catholic prelates decide to challenge their local culture-of-death Catholic politicians, they’ll need courage. Unlike the battle for desegregation—which had the support of Hollywood, the media, the universities, and the courts—the pro-life war has only the White House, one branch of Congress, and two Christian denominations.

Yet this is all the more reason why every cardinal and bishop must expose this evil. And if that involves warning and denying the sacraments to culture-of-death Catholic politicians, so be it. As the bishops have already written, challenging these politicians isn’t voluntary. It’s a duty and a pastoral responsibility.

Bump!

33 posted on 05/04/2003 6:20:51 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: nickcarraway
As far as I'm concerned, anyone who supports elective abortion under ANY circumstance deserves excommunication from the Earth.
34 posted on 05/04/2003 6:30:34 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Amen, Lady. Sadly, too many Priests and Bishops define their pastoral responsibility very differently, assuaging repentance in favor of tolerance and 'inclusion'. The lukewarmness must be already be repulsive to The Lord, for it does appear He has given them over to their perversions ...
35 posted on 05/04/2003 6:32:34 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: nickcarraway
Some additional threads about Catholics and politicians:

Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic

On Catholic Politicians and Faith

Vatican Urges Catholic Politicians to Vote Along Church Lines

Senator Santorum on Being Catholic and a Politician

William E. Simon, Sr. and Jr. Devout Catholics, Philanthropists and Politicians

Deadly Dozen senator taken to task over claims of Catholicism

THE BISHOP AND THE SENATOR [author links to FR thread regarding Daschle in her online column]

36 posted on 05/04/2003 6:37:12 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MHGinTN
Sadly, too many Priests and Bishops define their pastoral responsibility very differently, assuaging repentance in favor of tolerance and 'inclusion'.

Indeed, and politics have a lot to do with it.

37 posted on 05/04/2003 6:37:32 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MHGinTN
For any "Christians" who have any problem with what MHGinTN posted, maybe a little applied "tough love" upside the head would help.
38 posted on 05/04/2003 6:38:53 PM PDT by WhaChuLookinAt (As a matter of fact, I DO put my pants on both legs at a time.)
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To: MHGinTN
Wow.
39 posted on 05/04/2003 6:41:39 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: madprof98
You've asked a good question.

My response is twofold.

A) The bishops have, in large measure, ceased being shepherds for Christ and prophetic voices enunciating Biblical truth. They have lost their fear of God and replaced it with fear of man.

B) The fear may have an economic basis as well as a simple human desire not to be defamed for standing for the right.
Some years ago I recall a Catholic pro-abort congressman, a New York Democrat, responding to an interviewer who asked what would be his reaction should the church excommunicate him over his stance.

The congressman replied something to the effect that then perhaps the time will have come to re-examine the Catholic Church's tax-exempt status.

Translation: Fine, prelate. You want to put the screws to me and cost me votes with Catholic constituents by putting me outside the Roman Catholic community? Well, let's see how long you can operate a diocesan budget with a secular adjustment of the tax code.
40 posted on 05/04/2003 6:59:56 PM PDT by MadeInOhio
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