DANCE OF DEATH First of three parts CRYSTAL METH FUELS HIV

SF Chronicle ^ | 4 May 2003 | Christopher Heredia

[eno_]

Why does anybody give a crap what people do to themselves?

Legalize dope, let people get off on their own vices and let Darwin do his thing.

Hear hear! This is no different than disco and poppers in the 70's and 80's. Except all the old poofs don't understand house/trace and meth, so they think it is worse.

[American in Israel]

I would be all for legalizing everything if all it would affect is the user. But the Aids epidemic is going to suck up most of Medicare taxes, and the drug users normaly turn to Medicare along with crime to feed their habit.

Instead of paying for free needles, pay for more cops as we are going to need them.

[gridlock]

What he said.

[MrLeRoy]

But the Aids epidemic is going to suck up most of Medicare taxes, and the drug users normaly turn to Medicare

So let's end that socialims. Using one form of socialism as an excuse for another (the War On Some Drugs) is not a conservative argument.

along with crime to feed their habit.

The crime is fueled by high drug prices, which are fueled by the War On Some Drugs.

Instead of paying for free needles, pay for more cops as we are going to need them.

People have irresponsible sex while under the influence of the legal drug alcohol, too---so cracking down on illegal drugs will have little effect (except to boost alcohol use by those determined to scramble their brains).

[MrLeRoy]

Wod_list ping

[jmc813]

WOD Ping

[Sir Gawain]

Ban weekends.

[American in Israel]

Legalizing poison may make it cheaper, but most likely will kill more people in the long run. Some European countrys went the legalization route, and ended up in a disaster with city parks turning into drugdens and addiction rates skyrocketing.

I am all for making it as hard as possible to kill yourself with drugs. Legalizing porn has made the rape and unwed mother rate skyrocket, legalizing Homosexuality has made Aids skyrocket. Legalizing abortion has made the death rate skyrocket. So legalizing drug is not going to solve a problem, it is going to drasticly increase it. But, it will be easier for you to get drugs...

Somehow, I suspect that illegal drugs are a part of your life... just a guess of course...

I hope the best for you, good luck.

[MrLeRoy]

European [...] addiction rates skyrocketing.

Provide evidence for your claim.

I am all for making it as hard as possible to kill yourself with drugs.

So it's a proper function of government to forcibly protect adults from their own choices?

Legalizing porn has made the rape and unwed mother rate skyrocket,

Provide evidence that one caused the other---remembering that correlation does not prove causation.

legalizing Homosexuality has made Aids skyrocket.

When was homosexuality legalized?

Legalizing abortion has made the death rate skyrocket.

Abortion violates an individual's rights; drug use does not.

So legalizing drug is not going to solve a problem,

On the contrary, it would reduce the following effects of the War On Some Drugs: deaths of innocents in drug-turf wars; deaths of users due to impurities or unexpectedly high potencies; enrichment of criminals; corruption of the justice system by enriched criminals; and lessened respect for the law in general.

I suspect that illegal drugs are a part of your life

I use no drugs, including the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and tobaco.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Legalised porn has had nothing to do with increased rape or OOW births. Where did that little bee get in your bonnet?

Homosexuality has not been made legal in most places, either.

Your other claims are incorrect as well.

[American in Israel]

Rape statistics rise as porn laws are reduced drasticly. OOW births rose the same way when abortions were made legal. Before legalized abortion many less women died from abortions too. It is a function of just how many people are killing kids in the abortion mills.

Homosexuality has been made legal compared to what it was, and the STD levels were a fraction of what they are now.

Sorry, you can claim it is all bunk, but that is because you just want excuses. Ain't a bee in my bonnet, just cold hard fact.

Over 40,000,000 kids killed on the altar sexual "freedom". Somehow freedom is not so free for the dead kids...

[justshutupandtakeit]

Rape is not a function of legal pornography. No evidence shows that. Moslems rape at a much higher rate than Swedes or Dutch. No culture is less pornographic than Islame since all depictions of humans is forbidden. And none have easier ascess to porn than the latter societies.

OOW births are a function of the welfare policies not abortion. You might argue that both of the former are a result of the same morality as produces OOWBs.

Your stating something does not make it true even if you want it to be true. Especially when it flies in the face of fact.

[MrLeRoy]

Rape statistics rise as porn laws are reduced drasticly.

As I already mentioned, correlation does not prove causation. Try again.

Homosexuality has been made legal compared to what it was

How, and over what time period?

[American in Israel]

Yeah, statistics and fact need not impinge on reality, and the time frame is 1950 to 2000. Clear trends IF you want to see them.

The old three monkey routine... Party on, for the dawn is coming.

[MrLeRoy]

Yeah, statistics and fact need not impinge on reality

As I already mentioned, correlation does not prove causation. Try again.

Homosexuality has been made legal compared to what it was

How, and over what time period?

the time frame is 1950 to 2000.

OK---and how (in what way) was homosexuality made more legal?

[American in Israel]

Comparing Islam with America is like comparing dark with light. Rape statistics are higher in areas of America where porn is prevalant. When the laws are relaxed, rape goes up along with child abuse within one year.

Just like gun control laws though, those who want what they want, deny statistics when statistics do not say what they want.

The real question is, why do you want it?

[MrLeRoy]

Rape statistics are higher in areas of America where porn is prevalant.

As I already mentioned, correlation does not prove causation. Try again.

When the laws are relaxed, rape goes up along with child abuse within one year.

Provide evidence for your claim.

[justshutupandtakeit]

What I want is the truth. Your statements are false.

Besides I didn't compare Islame with America but with two nations even more awash in porn than the US which contradict your statements. Sweden and the Netherlands should be rampant with rapists. Why aren't they?

[wtc911]

Abner Louima was sodomzed in a NYPD Pct House by Justin Volpe, a cop on duty. There is no doubt about the facts in this case...right down to Volpe's apology at sentencing.

One wonders what your agenda is.