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School's symbol catches flak [Encinal High School Jets]
Sacramento Bee ^ | 5/4/03 | Herbert A. Sample

Posted on 05/05/2003 11:05:54 AM PDT by slowry

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:50:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

ALAMEDA -- Just a stone's throw from Encinal High School on this island town's western end sits the once-bustling but now-shuttered Alameda Naval Air Station. The proximity is not merely physical: The school's athletic teams are the Jets, its newspaper is the Jet Blast, and its mascot is a smiling cartoon plane. But the harmony between school and armed services is under strain now as a small group of Encinal's teachers and parents attempts to bar the return of a retired Marine Corps jet to a display on the school's front yard.


(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: looneyleft; mascot; pc

1 posted on 05/05/2003 11:05:54 AM PDT by slowry
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To: slowry
There are a couple photos at above link -- scroll down to see jet.
2 posted on 05/05/2003 11:07:10 AM PDT by slowry
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To: slowry
They can put it in my back yard. My kids would love it. Besides, I am proud of the USMC and their accomplishments.
3 posted on 05/05/2003 11:08:27 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: slowry
P.C. run amok.
4 posted on 05/05/2003 11:08:35 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: slowry
If these stupid, whiney, mealy-mouthed pissants don't want it, I'll take it.
5 posted on 05/05/2003 11:10:57 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: slowry
David Olstad, a volunteer who assists on technical support issues at the school, said, "I'd just as soon see a .357 Magnum blown up and put on a pedestal. I mean, there's no difference to me. It's glorifying violence."

Why not just put up a swastika, David?

That’s what a lack of firearms and airpower would have bought you, you fey twit.

6 posted on 05/05/2003 11:13:30 AM PDT by dead
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Can we give conservatives a year to get out of California, then give it to Mexico? It's amazing how different the attitudes there are from the rest of the country (except the Eastern seaboard).
7 posted on 05/05/2003 11:16:40 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (America - proudly providing the world with democracy, whisky and sexy since 1776)
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To: slowry
From 1985 to 1986 I was stationed aboard USS ENTERPRISE, which was homeported at Alameda at the time. It's a shame to watch these ingrates tear at everything that doesn't fit in with their milktoast, kum-bah-yah view of the world. Without the money the men and women of that Naval Station provided over the years (in the form of purchasing power, sales tax revenues, and the many businesses that served the base) their town wouldn't have half the stuff it has today.

Pathetic.

8 posted on 05/05/2003 11:17:11 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: martin_fierro
The democrats are sooo gonna' pay for all this crap next election !
9 posted on 05/05/2003 11:19:38 AM PDT by SENTINEL (USMC GWI)
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To: slowry
"Students have been coming up to me asking when is it going to come back, not to not bring it back," he said...

First thing I'd ask was "What are their names? How many? When did they tell you?"

I bet he'd have stumbled and said he forgot their names or that they wanted to remain anonymous.

10 posted on 05/05/2003 11:20:26 AM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah; Chancellor Palpatine; hellinahandcart

If these stupid, whiney, mealy-mouthed pissants don't want it, I'll take it.

The line forms here.

;-)

11 posted on 05/05/2003 11:21:09 AM PDT by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
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To: slowry
This kind of crap has been happening for some time now.

I was a Columbine "Rebel" back in the 1980s. Our mascot was a revolutionary minuteman with a rifle. One of the graduating classes during the 1970s constructed a 10' high metal statue of a rifle-bearing colonialist with a three-pointed hat and erected it in front of the school. It stood there for years before disappearing sometime in the 1990s (before Columbine became infamous).

I have no doubt it was removed for PC reasons and it certainly will never return. Several ninnies even urged Columbine to drop its "Rebel" mascot altogether for something more peaceful.

12 posted on 05/05/2003 11:23:03 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: slowry
Glad I don't live in Alameda anymore. The City Council needs a good freeping, though - not to mention those teachers at Encinal High. By the way, I graduated from Alameda High School, the better one! (Never you mind the year.) For victory & freedom!!!
13 posted on 05/05/2003 11:24:00 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: alameda
Ping
14 posted on 05/05/2003 11:25:20 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: slowry
When I read crap like this, I just want to go out and beat the crap out of a very small person
15 posted on 05/05/2003 11:25:36 AM PDT by zarf (Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
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To: slowry
I want to give credit to where I found the link -- here
16 posted on 05/05/2003 11:25:50 AM PDT by slowry
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To: slowry
"I would think there is a better symbol for the school, something that might reflect education and intelligence," she said.

How about the "Bread Slices?" But, wait. Slice=knife=VIOLENCE!

17 posted on 05/05/2003 11:28:08 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: slowry
"The parents of our Vietnamese and Cambodian and Afghan kids especially ... have been affected by the tragedies of war, and I think we shouldn't say that that's insignificant or somehow not important."
Perhaps she shouldn't presume to speak for those Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Afghan parents. How dis-empowering of her.
18 posted on 05/05/2003 11:32:26 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: slowry
At least the mascot wasn't named for an ethnic group. Eventually, all mascots will be outlawed completely, as PC dictates. The banana slug mascot at UC Santa Cruz should be next, as they are prone to fizz when doused with salt.
19 posted on 05/05/2003 11:35:00 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: slowry
Jets should avoid flak!!!

(sheesh! i thought somebody would have said that by now)

Best way to avoid flak is to bomb the source!
20 posted on 05/05/2003 11:37:23 AM PDT by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: dighton
"Dibs"
21 posted on 05/05/2003 11:38:33 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: slowry
Yes what a travesty instead of inspiring every kid with the greatness and strength of America who is able and willing to go cross oceans to save and free people from grave oppression
The money could be used to shore up the gay-straight student union and alliance
of some other note worthy social plague
22 posted on 05/05/2003 11:42:20 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: TommyDale
Eventually, all mascots will be outlawed completely, as PC dictates.

I went to High School in Alabama (Robert E. Lee HS--wonder how long THAT name will last). One of our rivals was Sidney Lanier HS, named after the poet. Their mascot was the Poets. I'm not kidding. They had the word "Poets" on the side of their football helmets.

They might be the only school allowed to keep it's mascot.

23 posted on 05/05/2003 11:43:02 AM PDT by Skooz (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: slowry
"I would see it as sort of a leftover from a previous era," Zialcita said.

Yeah, let's get rid of everything that refers to a previous era. For the love of Mike.....

24 posted on 05/05/2003 11:45:45 AM PDT by vikingchick
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To: slowry
From Sunday's Palm Springs Ca. desert Sun:

Cold War fighter retired
Newest addition to air museum was last A-4 Skyhawk still in military service


By Benjamin Spillman
The Desert Sun
May 4th, 2003




PALM SPRINGS -- Another American link to the Cold War retired from service Saturday in Palm Springs.

The cold warrior stood silently on a tarmac at the Palm Springs Air Museum while friends celebrated the unprecedented airborne accomplishments the undersized, spindly-legged fighter achieved in a career spanning five decades.

Navy Lt. Rob Woods, the guest of honor’s partner in their final mission together, described the unique relationship.

"It has got a lot of personality," said Woods, 32, of the unflappable Redtail 101, the last A-4 Skyhawk jet in active military duty. "You can do just about anything to it; the engine won’t stall; the thing won’t spin."

A crowd of onlookers at the local museum cheered and gawked as Woods, the Redtail and Navy Capt. Greg Cooper, 48, cut the screaming engine for the last time.

It was a bittersweet moment for the two pilots as technicians conducted post-flight activities on the 36-year-old aircraft for the final time.

"This plane was a revolution," said Woods of the breed of tiny aircraft designed early in the Cold War to carry a nuclear bomb on a "one way trip" into Russia. "You don’t get into it, you strap the thing on or you wear it like a suit."


Puerto Rico base


The A-4 that arrived in Palm Springs came from Roosevelt Roads Naval Station in Puerto Rico where it was cast in the role of adversary for pilot training.

Despite being designed to perform in a situation that never unfolded, the Skyhawk evolved into one of the most enduring aircraft to ever serve the military.

There were 3,960 of the jets built from 1952 to 1983. The planes were used for bombing, airborne fighting and training.

In Vietnam, the planes were popular for bombing missions and suffered heavy losses.

The strength of the A-4 Skyhawk was in its simple design. A cramped cockpit hugged pilots who described flying the Skyhawk as "being at the controls of a bullet in flight."


Could fly at 653 mph


It had a range of 700 miles and reached speeds of 653 miles per hour. Visibility from the cockpit gave the nimble plane an advantage in dogfights.

Yet it was also strong. Retired Navy Capt. John Duncan, 69, said the A-4 was the first military plane that would carry its weight in bombs. The tall "legs" above the wheels enabled the small plane to carry huge bombs, which at times made it look, "like a spider on an egg" according to its pilots.

Duncan, of Cathedral City, said he flew 120 A-4 combat missions in Vietnam.

He said the reliability and versatility of the plane was a major confidence boost to pilots.

"It could take punishment from the enemy and still get you back to the base," Duncan said.

However, despite upgrades, the model began to show its age in recent years. Most notably, it is unable to carry precision guided bombs, so-called smart bombs, which were used heavily in the recent war in Iraq.

Duncan, who is also on the board of directors at the air museum and attended the ceremony Saturday, said he’ll miss knowing the venerable aircraft is no longer part of the American military.

"It is sad," said Duncan. He brightened, "But what a fabulous history."


End of relationship


Woods will also miss the A-4.

He described the relationship between a fighter pilot and plane as nearly as nuanced as one between people -- with the same type of rewards and challenges.

"It will frustrate you sometimes; it will challenge you sometimes. It will try to kill you," he said describing how a pilot comes to know the plane’s subtle "personality" traits.


‘Hard to fly well’


"It is not hard to fly; it is hard to fly well," he said. "A plane that doesn’t challenge you, it doesn’t teach you."

The A-4 Skyhawk is now on permanent loan to the Palm Springs Air Museum. It will no longer fly but will rest on display in front of the museum at 745 N. Gene Autry Trail.

Sharon Maguire, the museum’s director, said former A-4 pilots affiliated with the museum, "carried enough weight," with the Navy that it allowed the last active A-4 to rest in Palm Springs. "We are very proud," Maguire said.




Benjamin Spillman can be reached at 778-4643 or by e-mail at Benjamin.Spillman@thedesertsun.com
25 posted on 05/05/2003 11:46:00 AM PDT by Howie
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To: Skooz
I went to High School in Alabama (Robert E. Lee HS--wonder how long THAT name will last). One of our rivals was Sidney Lanier HS, named after the poet. Their mascot was the Poets. I'm not kidding. They had the word "Poets" on the side of their football helmets. They might be the only school allowed to keep it's mascot.

Now that's funny! Yes, we Southerners will eventually be renaming all Confederate namesakes to liberal ones. Example: Robert E. Lee High School will become William Jefferson Blythe Clinton School of Sexually Depraved.

26 posted on 05/05/2003 11:46:51 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Drew68; Skooz
While moderate conservatives may go along with removing confederate heritage/flags/symbols, the PC crowd just keeps taking. These ingrates don't stand for the pledge, they don't remove their hat during the anthem, and now they want an airplane removed cause it's "offensive!"

Anti-Americanism is way overboard.

27 posted on 05/05/2003 11:50:15 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: slowry
Back in 1961, before I shipped out for WESTPAC, I drove the NAS Alameda school bus that served this and other local schools. Back then... those families were honorable patrotic Americans. All those families transferred or moved long ago. Today, the whole damn state is not worth a fart.

Give that plane to someone who deserves it.

28 posted on 05/05/2003 11:51:47 AM PDT by Luke
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To: Skooz
They had the word "Poets" on the side of their football helmets.

One of the local high schools in the town where I went to college called themselves the "Lambkins" and adorned their football helmets with smiling baby lambs.

How humiliating.

29 posted on 05/05/2003 11:57:33 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: drjimmy
Odd that many of the Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Afghan people who came here did so to escape opressive, and often murderous, regimes.

The jet might represent something deeper than just a school mascot to them, alright: it might be a symbol of the power of the nation which they willingly came to to escape opression and gain opportunity.

Funny how poorly those who claim to speak for others think.

30 posted on 05/05/2003 12:07:01 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Drew68
My high school's nickname was the "Tartans," for our supposed Scots heritage, and the symbol on our football helmet was (and still is) a guy in a kilt playing the bagpipes.
31 posted on 05/05/2003 12:07:55 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: slowry
As is true throughout the Bay Area, a sad conclave of the long outnumbered (that was, up until about 30 years ago) and the more recently arrived, both of anti American, anti tradition characteristics, have now made themselved heard even in our staunchest, most pro military enclave. Sign me up for the counterrevolution today. I'll be the one with the rope.
32 posted on 05/05/2003 12:08:12 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Drew68; Skooz
Sounds even worse than the U of Oregon Ducks and the Oregon State U's Beavers.
33 posted on 05/05/2003 12:09:55 PM PDT by frodolives (maybe it's the water in Oregon...)
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To: drjimmy
All the Vietnamese people I've met in the US aren't upset that we used too much military force in Vietnam, but rather that we used too LITTLE force. If we'd played a little tougher, they and their families wouldn't have had to flee communist oppression in tiny boats.
34 posted on 05/05/2003 12:10:51 PM PDT by Modernman
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To: Drew68
I went to two different high schools - one in Nebraska and one in Hawaii. One of our rivals in Nebraska was the Benson High School "Bunnies" (no kidding) and one of our rivals in Hawaii was the Punaho "Buff 'n Blue" (referring to their school colors).

I also went to the University of Hawaii when their team name was the "Rainbows" (later changed to Rainbow Warriors and now just Warriors). The Scottsdale (Arizona) Community College team is the Artichokes.

I think anyone who is upset by a name or a mascot is demonstrating that they don't have any real problems.
35 posted on 05/05/2003 12:16:10 PM PDT by BruceS
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To: Skooz
Although I'm an Occidental Tiger, and one of our rivals, Whittier College, in my hometown of Whittier, is the home of the Poets. By the way, Richard Nixon was a Fighting Poet from Whittier College.
36 posted on 05/05/2003 12:21:05 PM PDT by Taft in '52
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To: slowry
bump
37 posted on 05/05/2003 12:29:52 PM PDT by slowry
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To: theDentist
"I bet he'd have stumbled and said he forgot their names or that they wanted to remain anonymous."

Actually, this guy was saying that the kids are asking when it will be back. The kids are not saying to "not bring it back". I had to read it twice.

"Students have been coming up to me asking when is it going to come back, not to not bring it back," he said...

38 posted on 05/05/2003 12:33:34 PM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: slowry
Janet Gibson, a school board member and Alameda resident since 1973, said she's long considered the jet an inappropriate emblem for Encinal. "I would think there is a better symbol for the school, something that might reflect education and intelligence," she said.

Hmm, how about the Encinal High School Books!

39 posted on 05/05/2003 12:36:29 PM PDT by judgeandjury (The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state.)
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To: Hatteras
Oops! I read that twice and mis-read it each time. Mea culpa.
40 posted on 05/05/2003 12:45:28 PM PDT by theDentist (So. This is Virginia.... where are all the virgins?)
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To: slowry
Janet Gibson, a school board member and Alameda resident since 1973, said she's long considered the jet an inappropriate emblem for Encinal. "I would think there is a better symbol for the school, ...

'The Encinal Pussys'...(like in 'cat'...what did you think I meant?)

41 posted on 05/05/2003 12:45:59 PM PDT by martin gibson
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To: slowry

42 posted on 05/05/2003 12:50:33 PM PDT by Macaw
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To: frodolives
Speaking of ducks, my birthplace -- Yuba City, California nicknamed its high school mascot the Honkers. I suppose if Jesse Jackson ever finds someone there to shakedown, they may rename them the Yuba City Honkies.
43 posted on 05/05/2003 12:56:53 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: Drew68
My dad was a Pine Forest (Fayetteville, NC) Rebel. A few years after graduation they became the Trojans. From Rebels to condoms...

MD
44 posted on 05/05/2003 1:31:14 PM PDT by MikeD (Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!)
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To: Drew68
They had the word "Poets" on the side of their football helmets.

One of the local high schools in the town where I went to college called themselves the "Lambkins" and adorned their football helmets with smiling baby lambs.

How humiliating.

The high school team in my old hometown of Vincennes, Indiana was known as the Alices, after the title of the old Maurice Thompson novel, Alice of old Vincennes.

While working as a newspaperman for the county's newspaper, I sometimes had to help my editor come up with colorful headlines for sports stories, not my favourite cup of tea. After a couple of my submissions after a victory by the opposing Vikings [*Vikings plunder Alices* was one of the few that can be repeated, or was used] I was no longer bothered with that task....


45 posted on 05/05/2003 1:32:28 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: drjimmy
Carlos Zialcita is a male.
46 posted on 05/05/2003 3:56:20 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Drew68
It's pretty simple, these people don't want *any* reminders of the type of men and equipment required to keep a country free and rid the world of evil types. Since they have neither the balls nor the competence to serve our nation in any useful capacity, that kind of thing has to go.
47 posted on 05/05/2003 4:11:47 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: dighton; aculeus; Thinkin' Gal; hellinahandcart; BlueLancer
Well, I think if we're honest for a moment, the Sharks were much cooler than the Jets...

Okay, maybe not...

48 posted on 05/05/2003 9:27:01 PM PDT by general_re (Ask me about my vow of silence!)
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