Dalyell steps up attack on Levy ("Jews have far too much influence in U.S." - unrepentant Brit MP)

Guardian ^ | Tuesday May 6, 2003 | Michael White

[Justin Raimondo]

yeah, right: like Betting Bill Bennett, Jeanne "some dictators are pretty cool" Kirkpatrick, Rich "I'm a P.J. O'Rourke clone" Lowry, Michael Novak, James Burnham (RIP...). Quit yer whining, and stop giving us the Al Sharpton routine....

[headsonpikes]

'How odd of God

To choose the Jews'.

But there you are.

History is a patient, but ruthless teacher.

[rmlew]

That is ridiculous. There are still plenty of FReepers who will post a whole slew of nuclear mushroom clouds after the mention of a Muslim name in casual conversation.

They don't do so with Amir Taheri or other pro-American Muslims. It only occurs in the context of discussing terrorist acts. It is more of an expression of anger, than of actual policies.

There was a map floating around on the threads awhile back with most of the middle east renamed as U.S. oil companies (liek Exxon etc.) and I think another with Iraq written as New Texas.

Humor, not policy.

There is currently a thread up talking about offering Iraq statehood (nuts, but it would get rid of the country 'Iraq').

American citizenship is one of the gratest gifts on earth. Proposing voluntary offer of it to another country, is not a sign of hate.
Of course, I took the entire peice to be either satire or a sign of lunacy.

Countless countries have been chopped up, renamed, colonized, recolonised, etc. and will continue to be so for quite some time.

As long as there are contries, there will be such conquest.

In Europe many are just itching to get rid of their countries and create a new make believe country called the EU.
Disturbing trend, but not one supported by Freepers.

I think this MP is blatantly anti-Zionist and quite probably anti-semitic. But the concept that only Jews have been victims of history is asking a bit too much. Ever heard of the Highland Clearances? Probably not, considering it's not even taught in Scottish history books.

History Channel. However, Scottish nobles selling out thier clans is not the equal of genocide.

You don't hear Scots jumping up and down whining and crying "anti-Scot" everytime something rotten happens to them or any time someone calls a fellow Scot a name or comments on how aweful the bagpipes sound. Moral of the story, we all hate a racist and will help to "out the bastard", but the incessant whining about how the world hates the poor Jews and only the Jews is run out and ragged.

I certainly agree that far too many Jews (and others) are too willing to yell anti-semite. That does not mean that it does not exist. I haven't heard much from my British relatives, but the last two weeks have been eventfull in Sweden. (My Grandmother and other relatives live in Malmo, Sweden's third city.) In this timeframe, 5 Jewish run shops have been vandalized (mostly windows broken and graffitti), 2 Jewish boys were assaulted, and the Jewish cemetary was vandalized. I consider the last to be an unmistakable sign of anti-Semetism. The chappel was torched, gravestones were turned over, and others had Swastikas on them along with references to the destruction of the Arab Jewish communities. Only the fact that my Grandfather's gavesite is out of the way, and that it is too new to have a gravestone prevented it from being desecrated.

[thedugal]

First off, you're right, I did have a mind fart on the numbers. It's been awhile since I read the history and an account of 6 million had stuck in my head but upon review that is adjusted numbers to todays population. The Highland Clearances lasted from ~1760 to 1851. If anything is outrageous, it is quoting an article from 1784 published by the landowners themselves. The whole point is that Israel and the Jews are not the only oppressed or hated peoples on the planet, now nor historically. Whenever someone tries to make such a point they diminish the real horror of history as well as the political reality of today. There are Muslim clerics who are calling for Islam from California in the west to Tokyo in the east. Do you think that even if Israel were gone tomorrow those same Muslims would stand up and say, "Well, we are ready to live in peace with our Christian, Hindu, Buddhist and other brothers"?

[The Hon. Galahad Threepwood]

The father of the Commons, an MP for 41 years and a pillar of the "awkward squad" for most of them, Mr Dalyell qualified his criticisms only to the extent of saying he was not attacking Jewish influence as such, but what he called the "Sharon-Likudnik agenda" of the hardliners - led by Ariel Sharon's Likud party - who dominate Israeli politics.

In other words, "I don't hate Jews, as long as they think the way I tell them to think."

Kind of like the way the Democrats view blacks and Hispanics.

[Mister Baredog]

The Labour MP Tam Dalyell yesterday scornfully brushed aside accusations of anti-semitism

In fact he said his Uncle died in a concentration camp, he fell out of a gaurd tower!

[WaterDragon]

A really excellent post!