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West Coast Tremors (CA Gov. Grey Davis Recall Effort Gaining Steam)
National Journal and LA Times ^ | May 6, 2003 | Chuck Todd

Posted on 05/06/2003 9:55:59 AM PDT by ewing

Aides to House Rep. Darrell Issa (R-49) who himself aspires to be Governor, plan to file papers as early as today to creating yet another campaign to recall Governor Grey Davis.

Aides said that Issa plans to provide six figure donations as seed monies for the new recall effort called Rescue California.

Sacramento political consultant Dave Gilliard who will manage the new effort and represents Issa as well as half a dozen GOP'ers said: 'This funding is substantial and more than enough to do the job that needs to be done.'

Gilliard said the committee will have sufficient money to hire professional petition circulators who will attempt to gather 700,000 to 800,000 signatures of registered voters.

Such fims generally charge $1-$2.00 per name. Other committees already in operation are expected to gather the balance of the roughly 1.2 million signatures needed to put a recall measure before voters.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; darrellissa; election; governor; greyout; recall; rescuecalifornia
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Would there be an open recall election of just Dims?
1 posted on 05/06/2003 9:56:00 AM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
As I understand it:

There would be a 2-part ballot question:

1. Keep Gray Davis? (Yes or NO)

2. Who is your preference for governor other than Davis?

a) Dem
b) Dem2
d) Pub1
e) Green
f) Pub2
g) Dem3

If Davis loses part 1, the candidate in part 2 with the highest vote total is the new governor.

2 posted on 05/06/2003 10:12:14 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (That's my theory and I'm sticking to it! At least for the present . . .)
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Hehehe!

Let's clean the Manure out of Sacramento!!!!!

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3 posted on 05/06/2003 10:15:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: JohnnyZ
That would be great if Arnie or Condi Rice would consent to having their name on the ballot.

The Democratic House in California still reamins a problem regarding the late GOP convention and getting the ballots ready for 2004..

4 posted on 05/06/2003 10:15:57 AM PDT by ewing
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Ping. If I understand this, ther'd now be three recall efforts running in parallel. I presume that their signature totals can be counted together, otherwise it would be incredibly stupid to split it up this way. Still, it seems curious that these groups can't come together to coordinate things. Must be some huge egos involved or some other strategic consideration at work.
5 posted on 05/06/2003 10:16:04 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett
The pundits and political scientists all seem to believe that the signatures could be counted together at this point.
6 posted on 05/06/2003 10:17:23 AM PDT by ewing
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To: JohnnyZ; ewing
I'm STILL waiting for anyone to answer this scenario.....IF they manage to get the needed number of signatures certified..the Dems will immediatelt "convince" Davis to resign....the LtGov takes over, and the whole recall is moot....and they give the new guy a leg up in the next election....
7 posted on 05/06/2003 10:24:36 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ewing; John Jorsett
The pundits and political scientists all seem to believe that the signatures could be counted together at this point.

That's good, and can't a citizen get his signature on all three also?

8 posted on 05/06/2003 10:24:52 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: JohnnyZ
Under California's constitution, a petition to get the recall process started will have to gather about 12 percent of the votes cast in the election for governor, or close to 900,000.
Once those signatures are certified by the secretary of state, the lieutenant governor is required to schedule a special election within 180 days of the original filing. A special election could take place in July or August, with no limit on the number of candidates who could be on the ballot.
The candidate emerging with a plurality of votes would be the new governor of California.
California election analysts say a candidate with as little as 2 percent of the votes could win if many candidates qualify for the ballot.
To maximize its chances of winning, each party will likely try to agree on a single well-known candidate.
9 posted on 05/06/2003 10:26:11 AM PDT by kellynla ( "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div '69 & '70 An Hoa, Viet Nam Semper Fi)
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To: ken5050
Well the Attorney General would probably try to stop that because he wants to be Governor too!
10 posted on 05/06/2003 10:26:37 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: ken5050
Rob Reiner?
11 posted on 05/06/2003 10:27:29 AM PDT by ewing
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To: ken5050
One wonders if the Dems could convince Davis to resign. If there is a recall, he can at least fight and keep the thing in the courts for awhile, but if he resigns he looses any chance at all of gaining any further national aspirations, which is what he seems to have.
12 posted on 05/06/2003 10:27:33 AM PDT by Toirdhealbheach Beucail (Am fear nach gheibh na h-airm 'n am na sith, cha bith iad aige 'nam a chogaidh)
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To: kellynla
And how would one apply to get a name on the ballot in the recall?
13 posted on 05/06/2003 10:28:09 AM PDT by ewing
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To: John Jorsett
All three groups are using the same petition. They aren't in competition with each other. If they could coordinate efforts to do the gathering, it might help, but it's the same petition, so I don't think that it's a hindrance.
14 posted on 05/06/2003 10:30:03 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: ewing
The pundits and political scientists all seem to believe that the signatures could be counted together at this point.

That brings a disturbing thought to mind. What do you want to bet that in the event of a sufficient combined total, the matter of combining them will be litigated? I can just see the plaintiff's bar of the state dragging it through the courts for God knows how long.

15 posted on 05/06/2003 10:31:26 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: JohnnyZ
If the recall qualifies, the big question is ... does Davis resign? If he does, Bustamante becomes gov and there is no recall ...
16 posted on 05/06/2003 10:31:54 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: John Jorsett
Yep, at least to the California Supreme Court..
17 posted on 05/06/2003 10:32:24 AM PDT by ewing
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To: ken5050
Cruz Bustamante .. the new guy with a leg up.. whizzing on the voters of Aztlan California .. the mental imagery you paint is really rich there. :-)

I don't hink the demRats would sink that low altho they do some pretty stupid things when under pressure, and if they do, Then we run Condi Rice. ;-)

18 posted on 05/06/2003 10:32:48 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: ken5050
I'm STILL waiting for anyone to answer this scenario.....IF they manage to get the needed number of signatures certified..the Dems will immediatelt "convince" Davis to resign....the LtGov takes over, and the whole recall is moot....and they give the new guy a leg up in the next election....

That would assume some degree of selflessness on the part of Davis, whose sole guiding principle to date has been what is best for himself. That, or some very large carrot dangled before him, and I can't imagine what that would be for somebody like him who loves wielding political power.

19 posted on 05/06/2003 10:33:57 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: Toirdhealbheach Beucail
"National aspirations".....he couldn't get elected mayor of Petaluma.....
20 posted on 05/06/2003 10:34:50 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ewing
Call the Secretary of State's office in Sacramento.
21 posted on 05/06/2003 10:35:23 AM PDT by kellynla ( "C" 1/5 1st Mar Div '69 & '70 An Hoa, Viet Nam Semper Fi)
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To: John Jorsett
I agree.
22 posted on 05/06/2003 10:35:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: JohnnyZ
Sounds about right.

That is why I may sit this out. I think there are three outcomes, all bad.

1) Davis wins. He gets a swell head, and his enemies are demoralized.

2) Davis loses. Democrat wins. Winner works well with legislature. Even more socialist laws are passed, and winner can be re-elected. Republicans are demoralized.

3) Davis loses. Republican wins. Democrats are energized. New governor can only veto laws, which are overridden by the newly energized legislature. Loses big in next election. Republicans are demoralized.

I say let Davis try to fix his own problems. When he can't, elect more Republicans to the legislature during the next election cycle. Then go from there.
23 posted on 05/06/2003 10:35:58 AM PDT by NathanR
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To: ewing
I'll believe it when I see it happen. The stupidity of most Californians never ceases to amaze me.
24 posted on 05/06/2003 10:36:36 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: .38sw
All three groups are using the same petition. They aren't in competition with each other. If they could coordinate efforts to do the gathering, it might help, but it's the same petition, so I don't think that it's a hindrance.

Are they all using the original filing? I thought each had filed independently, so they were effectively separate efforts with different timetables due to different filing dates. I could be wrong, but that's what I thought was happening.

25 posted on 05/06/2003 10:37:53 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: NathanR
R U a California resident?
26 posted on 05/06/2003 10:38:24 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: Gophack
If the recall qualifies, the big question is ... does Davis resign? If he does, Bustamante becomes gov and there is no recall ...

I'm not a lawyer, but my assumption is that once certification happens, the election goes forth regardless. Bustamante would step into the gov's shoes and conduct the election that might name his replacement. If that happened, I wonder if Bustamante would ratchet back dow to Lt. Gov, or would he be out. Interesting legal issues here. No doubt the lawyers in the Donkey party are burning the midnight oil thinking about them.

27 posted on 05/06/2003 10:41:31 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: NormsRevenge
'Fraid so.

That doesn'n mean that I have good political instincts, just cynicism.
28 posted on 05/06/2003 10:43:04 AM PDT by NathanR
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To: NathanR
GOOD GRRRRRRRIEF!!!
29 posted on 05/06/2003 10:45:57 AM PDT by SierraWasp (When you get old and think you're sweet... Take off your shoes and smell your feet! (Burma Shave))
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To: John Jorsett
One of the groups, I don't remember which one, developed the petition and filed it with the Sec. of State, Kevin Sheley. It took about three tries to get it approved and available for use. It doesn't matter who uses the petition, all you have to do is get a copy and circulate it, and send it in to one of the addresses at any of the groups. It doesn't matter. As long as it is the approved petition, anybody can circulate it and get signatures, and mail it to any of the groups for collection. All they do is send the signed petitions on to the Sec. of State, who distributes them to the counties for signature verification.

I've downloaded the petition from the RecallGrayDavis.com site, and made copies. That is Howard Kaloogian's group. Then there is Ted Costa's group, The People's Advocate. They are using the same petition. It would have been very foolish if each group had created its own petition then tried to have it approved by the SOS. I would think in that case each group would have had to get the required number of signatures, would really would have split the effort. The timetable is the same for each group, because it is the petition that is important. The date that the petition is approved starts the clock.

30 posted on 05/06/2003 10:46:10 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: NathanR
I don't think it's a question of either, It's plain survival for many.. many small businesses, many mom and pops.. many elderly..

I won;t beat ya up for your feelings, but when good people do nothing, bad people go to town at their expense.

This site is supposed to energize and excite folks and make them want to get involved. If your attitude prevailed state-wide, we may as well close shop, because the battle is lost.

31 posted on 05/06/2003 10:48:13 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: .38sw
Good info, thanks. I downloaded the petition from the Costas group and have been circulating it. You don't get a full appreciation of how much Davis is despised until you put a petition in front of them. Some of them look like they want to sign it and spit on Davis' name while they're at it.
32 posted on 05/06/2003 10:53:01 AM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: NormsRevenge
If your attitude prevailed state-wide, we may as well close shop, because the battle is lost.

No it isn't. What we need, is to get good people for the next election cycle, not tilt at windmills. Let Davis stew in his own juices, and then paint the Democrats with them.
33 posted on 05/06/2003 10:54:45 AM PDT by NathanR
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To: NathanR
Hiram Johnson's "Windmills" Initiative. LOL

in my oipinion, Davi$ is already overcooked..Stick a damn fork in him already. ;-)

We have a chance to send a message now and save a state, before it sinks and then takes 10 times as much effort to resurrect.

What part of California do you live in?

34 posted on 05/06/2003 10:59:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: NormsRevenge
What part of California do you live in?

Orange County.

in my oipinion, Davi$ is already overcooked..Stick a damn fork in him already. ;-)

True, if left alone. When your enemy is shooting himself in the foot, let him, don't startle him into shooting you instead. If we were able to survive Gov. Moonbeam, we can survive this idiot.

I would be all for this recall if I could be even 50% sure that Sen. Tom McClintock would win. (He almost won the State Controller's position.) He even has a blueprint on how to fix the state buget.

http://republican.sen.ca.gov/web/mcclintock/article_detail.asp?PID=233
35 posted on 05/06/2003 12:01:00 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: NathanR
Since Republicans are already demoralized, I should probably add:

4) Do nothing. Republicans are demoralized.
36 posted on 05/06/2003 12:06:26 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Destructor
Yes, speaking of stupidity, a multi-part ballot would confuse those brainy voters on the West Coast. When many of them left the polls, they couldn't even tell you who they voted for. They will yet make the West Palm Beach voters of 2000 look like wizards.
37 posted on 05/06/2003 12:12:34 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: NormsRevenge
Why do you think Miss Rice would even consider running for governor of CA? And why do you think CA voters would even consider voting for her. I suspect that most CA voters have never heard of her. And unless she has a new innovative program to offer, they won't consider voting for her either.
38 posted on 05/06/2003 12:17:23 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: NathanR
I like #3- Davis loses, Ahnold wins and begins with all of the advantages as Governor..
39 posted on 05/06/2003 12:34:18 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
Might work. I like Tom McClintock better, though.
40 posted on 05/06/2003 12:39:13 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Well the Attorney General would probably try to stop that because he wants to be Governor too!

Recall the CAG, Bill Lockyear, too! Two birds with....well, just a thought..;^)

41 posted on 05/06/2003 1:18:40 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Theodore R.
Yes, speaking of stupidity, a multi-part ballot would confuse those brainy voters on the West Coast.

Actually, the majority of voters in California, since 1991, were born EAST of the Mississippi.

42 posted on 05/06/2003 1:30:58 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: NathanR
Orange County.. Ouch.. Now I understand. LOL

You're not Sanchez afflicted represented , are you?

Thank God they haven't made a run for the White House yet. If we're lucky , we will keep that infestation in the US House only.

Tom McClintock is making no bones about being interested in making a run for Gub. I would vote for him in a heartbeat. Anyone who would wear a kilt in a political commercial is not concerned about image. ;-)

43 posted on 05/06/2003 1:31:38 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: Theodore R.
Condi doesn't have a high recognition factor? Huh?

Oh, that's right, most folks who vote in California don't watch TV or follow the news. LOL. Get out of here, you're killing me. :-)

44 posted on 05/06/2003 1:35:16 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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To: NormsRevenge
Well, a recent survey found that 69 percent of Democrats could not identify a single candidate who is seeking the 2004 Democrat nomination. I just don't think most people are that familiar with Miss Rice, any more than they were with Robert McFarlane, when he ran the NSC during part of the Reagan years.
45 posted on 05/06/2003 1:49:53 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: elbucko
That is an interesting tidbit of knowledge and maybe not too surprising. So, now are the majority originally from places west of the Mississippi River?
46 posted on 05/06/2003 1:51:07 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: NormsRevenge
You're not Sanchez represented , are you?

No, Chris Cox. That is good, because I never liked B1 Bob much. I might even have voted Democrat against him.

47 posted on 05/06/2003 1:57:09 PM PDT by NathanR
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To: NathanR
I hate to say it, but I agree with you. The republicans had a chance to beat Davis in the last election, and failed. I think something like a recall should be reserved for either a watergate type situation or when someone changes his/her position on issues significantly from what was campaigned on. I don't think we have that here. Althought the CA constit allows for it, I think we will regret this in the future, as every time a politician becomes unpopular during his/her term, we will see recall efforts from the other side.
48 posted on 05/06/2003 1:59:26 PM PDT by brownie
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To: ewing
My gut feeling is that we should not recall Davis. If he is recalled and a more acceptable governor is appointed, who looks good trying to clean up the mess, he could be a more formidable candidate for re-election.

If we leave Davis is place and let him continue to make a mess of things, the chances of a Democrat being elected at the next election will be nil.

Just my thoughts.
49 posted on 05/06/2003 2:24:14 PM PDT by Tom Jefferson
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To: Theodore R.
I would like to see that survey. If you could point me to it, that would be appreciated.

I don't doubt you but in the words of Ronald Reagan.."Trust but Verify."

Quite frankly, I don't want to take Condi from the position she currently serves in, but then, a lot of folks didn't really think that President Bush was the best candidate either in 2000 and Texas has survived without him as well.

imo, California needs an Iron Lady not an imported naturalized actor as Guv. Tho' , I like McClintock too.

50 posted on 05/06/2003 2:35:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi .. Support FRee Republic)
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