The latest in the Georgia flag-ban folly

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 6, 2003 | Les Kinsolving

[Gianni]

Vallandiham's "speaking out" -- as you call it -- was far worse than what Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War or Scott Ridder did during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

So it's a matter of degree? I guess I don't understand what it was he said that required trial by military court and exile - that's what I'm asking you to provide. Lincoln himself said, "Must I shoot a simple-minded soldier boy who deserts, while I must not touch a hair of a wiley agitator who induces him to desert?"

To which I answer: Yes, if the BOR has meaning.

The rest is just politico-speak whipping up support for repubs by bashing the dems; the 1870 equivalent of, "all republicans are racists who got their money riding the backs of poor, hard-working people like you." It's no different from what is done today, but (to repeat): Nobody really believes such simple-minded foolishness, so why continue posting it?

[Grand Old Partisan]

In denying that every single rebel was a Democrat, you are denying what was self-evident in this country until the 1930s, when nearly all history books in the country came to be written by Democrats.

[billbears]

U.S./Union Secretary of the Treasury in 1864.

And for some reason you refuse to discuss his more 'illustrious' acts of the second half of the decade. Never mind until the tyrant we didn't have 'greenbacks'. Wonder how this nation of states got along for 80 years before him...

[Grand Old Partisan]

What Chase did as CJ is not relevant to the thread.

[stand watie]

had sonny simply issued an executive order returning the post-1956 flag to official status, you wouldn't have the special session and the flag follies would be OVER!

sonny should have told the naaLcp, splc shysters & the anti-flag idiots to go fish, on his very first day in office.

about 1% of Georgians, LIBs and their ignorant followers, were the only ones who liked the "placemat" anyway;as it is NOW, everyone is mad at sonny. including me!

the racebaiters, libs & their followers may as well learn NOW that there is NO PLACE anywhere in dixie, LONGTERM, for CSA-flag haters, scalawags,racebaiters, kloo klux idiots,pro-abortionists, "gun control" advocates & damnyankees.

[billbears]

Ah, but it is. For if Chase wouldn't have whitewashed his own record and partially the record of the worst President in the history of this nation, people would accept the Confederacy as what it was, a free and proud nation of states willing to fight for what they believed in, the Constitutional Republic established by the Founders

[stand watie]

YEP! EXACTLY!

the chamber of commerce types got to sonny because they fear a boycott.

the sooner everyone learns that these naaLcp boycotts are a JOKE the better!

FRee dixie,sw

[mac_truck]

By your comment may I assume you endorse the SUV's position on the CBF, or that you seek to misrepresent their position on it?

[Gianni]

every single rebel was a Democrat

Again? This is just getting spooky now.

Can you provide a credible source, perhaps census data? Something other than a political speech or "I say so" would be nice.

[Grand Old Partisan]

In ten of the eleven states which were to secede, the 1860 Republican ticket got ZERO votes. Only in the western area of Virginia, soon to become West Virginia, did the Republicans get any votes at all. After the Civil War, those who voted Republican in the South were the blacks and the "Billy Yanks in the hills" (hill billies) of Appalachia and the Ozarks, groups which were solidly Republican. By 1876, these people were shut out of southern politics.

The South was solidly Democrat from the 1870s until the 1960s.

[Grand Old Partisan]

In ten of the eleven states which were to secede, the 1860 Republican ticket got ZERO votes. Only in the western area of Virginia, soon to become West Virginia, did the Republicans get any votes at all. After the Civil War, those who voted Republican in the South were the blacks and the "Billy Yanks in the hills" (hill billies) of Appalachia and the Ozarks, groups which had been Unionist during the war. By 1876, these people were shut out of southern politics.

The South was solidly Democrat from the 1870s until the 1960s.

[Gianni]

"Solidly Democrat" is not an absolute. "Every single" is.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Correct. I did not say that every southerner was a Democrat but that every rebel was a Democrat. Some 40% of southerners remained loyal -- the blacks (don't they count?) and the Unionists. During the Civil War, 200,ooo southern blacks and 100,000 southern whites enlisted in the United States Army and Navy, while in the North many Democrats, known as Copperheads, supported the rebels.

[Hacksaw]

Remember, "In God We Trust" was first placed on U.S. money by the U.S./Union Secretary of the Treasury in 1864.

So what? I am an American. I feel I can support Southern Pride and be an American at the same time. It is a Southern thing you just don't understand.

[Blzbba]

that may be "worth repeating", but as a GA resident who's following this issue, I can assure you that no Union Memorial groups have come down here to defend the "Rebel Flag".

Hell, I was born in the great state that was first to secede, I am glad it's being taken down. The South lost and people need to make their way into the 20th century.

[Grand Old Partisan]

The 20th century? Well, it's a start.

[Gianni]

So then non-democrats who fought for the Confederacy were not rebels per your definition?

I think maybe there's a language barrier thing going on here.

[Gianni]

A love of the South is a love of America. No different from my love of the midwest.

I can, however, see how people from the Northeast and California cannot make this correlation.

[Grand Old Partisan]

There were no non-Democrats who fought for the Confederacy.

[Gianni]

The title of the book promises an examination of conditions until 1870 but the five years after the war are but lightly touched upon. Basically, the story presented of post-war East Tennessee is one of revenge taking against pro-Confederates for acts committed against their pro-Union neighbors early in the war. The result was an exodus of pro-Confederates, most of them Democrats in political affiliation, from the area. An interesting addition to the book could have been made by tying the roots of East Tennessee's traditional adherence to the Republican Party to these war time and post-war experiences.

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