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Clinton project dogs McGinty
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | 5/04/03 | Brad Bumstead

Posted on 05/06/2003 1:19:10 PM PDT by metalurgist

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:02:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

HARRISBURG -- The Clinton administration's creation of a 1.8 million acre national monument in southern Utah was marked by "deceit" and "chicanery" - even outright lies, according to U.S. Sen. Robert Bennett, a Utah Republican.

Utah's largely GOP congressional delegation and its governor were kept in the dark until just before the announcement on Sept. 18, 1996. Members of Congress apparently were misled about the supposed lack of any maps of the project four days before the announcement.


(Excerpt) Read more at pittsburghlive.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: staircaseescalante
Crats are scum. I didn't know about these other details
1 posted on 05/06/2003 1:19:10 PM PDT by metalurgist
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To: metalurgist
Bennett, in 2001, testified before Congress that he had asked McGinty for a map of the monument four days before the announcement. "She looked me in the eye and said: 'Senator, there is no map. We are not that far along. This is just an idea. There is no map.'"

A map appeared with a New York Times article on Sept. 17, 1996, advancing the announcement the following day.

The woman lied to Congress.

2 posted on 05/06/2003 1:23:14 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: metalurgist
That monument and how it came to be was a dirty deal. The Clinton White House didn't even have the courtesy to inform the Democrat congressman from my district of the monument. The clincher was that a pine tree was cut down on the rim of the Grand Canyon so that the picture of Clinton and Gore would include an unobstructed view of the Grand Canyon. Plus, the monument boundaries are really haphazard, just 20 miles away are rare Indian monuments and artifacts that weren't protected in the monument. A travesty of the law.
3 posted on 05/06/2003 1:26:49 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: denydenydeny
The woman lied to Congress.

BBBBUT she had her fingers crossed behind her back. More "admirable" behavior from Bubba Boy and his band of thieves.

4 posted on 05/06/2003 1:28:13 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: denydenydeny
The woman lied to Congress

McGinty, who had worked for Vice President Al Gore, had sent Gore a handwritten note that said "the enviros have $500,000 to spend either for us or against us." She was talking about political campaign contributions that would later be spent as soft money on behalf of the Clinton-Gore ticket. The Escalante Monument was at or near the top of the "enviros'" list.

Looks like she was involved in bribery too.

5 posted on 05/06/2003 1:30:14 PM PDT by metalurgist (Never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid people....... U S Congress's real motto)
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To: metalurgist
Nobody with any honest intentions would consider hiring this fraud.
6 posted on 05/06/2003 1:51:41 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: rj45mis
Nobody with any honest intentions would consider hiring this fraud.

Fast Eddie Rendel is a crat. Fast Eddie and honesty have yet to be introduced.

7 posted on 05/06/2003 1:56:42 PM PDT by metalurgist (Never underestimate the power of a large group of stupid people....... U S Congress's real motto)
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To: metalurgist
There's even more to it than this ! The only other known coal seam that would have competed with this one on the world market was owned by (drum roll please) Klinton contributor, Indonesian Riady. The sinkmeister got two for one - pleasing the environazis and a major favor for a heavy contributor.
8 posted on 05/06/2003 2:01:05 PM PDT by jimt (Wddiow Johnny nevvver does anything wrong!)
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To: metalurgist
Is this the area that has the MAGICAL COAL that
Rush (tin-hat) Limbaugh get so excited about?
I don't know about these other details, but
claims of miraculous coal does not help the credibility
of the conservative cause. The US has enough coal, really.
9 posted on 05/06/2003 2:33:20 PM PDT by greasepaint
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To: denydenydeny
The woman lied to Congress.

Which earns her a "been there, done that" medal from her former boss.

10 posted on 05/06/2003 2:44:41 PM PDT by geedee (Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.)
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To: greasepaint
You were asleep in science class, right? Do anthracite and bituminous ring a vague bell? How about "oil shales"? There are different kinds of coal, and even with Affirmative Action, some coals are better than others.

Besides, these days, ALL the available coal is in somebody's back yard. Perhaps you know someone who doesn't want a coal mine under his house. To say that "The US has enough coal, really." is to have a careless grasp of the truth.

11 posted on 05/06/2003 2:56:17 PM PDT by jonascord (Fie on Marxist quotes!)
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To: metalurgist
If I remember correctly...

There are only two known low-sulphur coal reserves in the world, one of which is under this land in Utah that was blocked off by Clinton and the other of which is controlled by the Rhiady family of Indonesia(?), who acted as intermediaries between Clinton and the Chinese government, which was making illegal donations to the Clinton campaign.

How's that for payment for fund-raising services performed by the Rhiadys?
12 posted on 05/06/2003 2:57:57 PM PDT by kdmhcdcfld (Any rebroadcast of this tagline without the express written consent of FreeRepublic is prohibited.)
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To: greasepaint; metalurgist; denydenydeny; Utah Girl; rj45mis; jimt
"...I don't know about these other details..."

Well, by all means, please let me separate the Ice Cream from the B.S. for you greasepaint:


"Quid Pro Coal" on THE AMERICAN INVESTIGATOR on NET(National Empowerment Television) Thurs. 12/19/96
From an interview by Jim Quinn on WRRK 97 FM in Pittsburgh, PA on Friday, Dec. 20th. 1996
I will summarize the interview, but not do a full transcript, as follows:

This is a follow-up on the move by President Clinton to declare millions of acres of Utah wilderness as a federal preserve. The move was hailed by environmentalists initially, but now, some of them are feeling a bit used and deceived.Bill Clinton has put 25% of this country's so-called "compliance coal" or "enviro coal" (i.e., clean-burning, low sulfur) off limits with his Executive Order declaring this section of Utah to be a national park.

The remaining 75% of this type of coal happens to be in places that are hard to get to, difficult to mine, difficult to transport coal from, like the mountains of Wyoming, therefore the cost-effectiveness of mining the coal from these other areas is diminished.The interview stated that, under NAFTA, Mexico had to "sign on to" some of our clean air rules, so they are in the process of building new power plants which will require this type of "compliance coal".

Utah was to be an export center for all these new Mexican power plants. This would have meant thousands of coal mining and related jobs for Utah. The impact on the environment would have been minimal since this coal would require UNDERGROUND MINING, not strip mining. The coal would have been easily transportable through train lines to Long Beach, California, and there loaded onto barges and shipped to Mexico -- that is, until Bill Clinton declared with the sweep of a pen that their coal is untouchable.

Now, most likely, the Mexicans will be buying their "compliance coal" from Indonesia.The other shoe has finally dropped on COAL-GATE and it all started, as far back as 1977. That's when Mochtar Riady and his son, James, first arrived in this country and started buying up Bert Lance's assets, clearly making a play for the Carter administration. But their attention was later turned in another direction by Jackson Stephens who essentially said, here's a real comer (no pun intended), and introduced them to Bill Clinton.

So the Riady's started investing like mad in Little Rock and in the political career of William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. They got to know Hillary Clinton, Webster Hubbell, Vince Foster, and others in the Clinton circle of power.

They bailed Clinton out during the New Hampshire primaries and held on all the way through to the White House--where they put John Huang in a key position at the Commerce Dept. thanks to an expedited top-level security clearance courtesy of the Clinton White House.The interview went on to say that although we're seeing the recent scandals of campaign contributions, the real events took place during Ron Brown's trade missions in 1994.

Brown would set up deals between American companies and Indonesian companies to build coal-burning power plants in Indonesia and in China. Apparently they understood what was going to happen even back then.Maybe it was John Huang, Ron Brown, or even Bill Clinton. We don't know about that yet. We're still trying to find out, "what did Clinton know and when did he know it?"The show host, Jim Quinn, asked if a lot of these Indonesian coal reserves are owned by the son- in-law of President Suharto.

The interview indicated yes, but actually it's Suharto's DAUGHTER who's involved in the most capital-intensive power project in Indonesia. Ron Brown was involved with arranging for an American company to take over one-third of the ownership. Some energy companies in America have actually gotten rich over all this. Two of them are : ENERGY and MISSION ENERGY.

Quinn added that Entergy is a huge (Democratic) company in Little Rock and they employed Ron Brown's son. He then added what an absolute quagmire of corruption this all is.The interview then added, "The question is, did the Clinton administration know they were making Indonesia rich? How could they NOT know? This 'compliance coal' is very rare stuff."This "compliance coal" has a low enough sulfur content that it is permissible to burn or to mix it with higher sulfur coal and still meet the ever-stricter clean air standards which have just conveniently been tightened even more by the EPA.

We will be needing more and more of this sort of environment-friendly coal in the future in this country, and Bill Clinton has just seen to it that the largest and most easily accessible deposit of it in the continental U.S. is now OFF LIMITS.President Clinton has made sure that we can't export it, either. ADARO is the name of the company that owns Indonesian Coal (actually the Indonesian government owns the mineral resources, but this company has the mining rights).

ADARO owns a fair amount of the Wyoming coal in this country, too.There's more. Kentucky Democratic politicians and ADARO have set up a deal so that Tampa Electric Company is going to buy 400,000 tons a year of Indonesian coal.Also, they are making a move on the "compliance coal" in Columbia, as well. "We're talking about something that is starting to look like a cartel.ADARO may just buy up the Columbian coal reserves and sit on them which will force the value of Indonesian coal to go up."

(Anyone remember the James Bond movie, "Goldfinger"? The villain wasn't trying to steal the gold from Fort Knox. Instead he wanted to set off a nuclear device that would contaminate the gold reserves of the United States and render it useless and valueless, thus making the value of all the remaining gold in the world go up.We may be seeing a little of that at work here.)

Quinn mentioned that he has heard there's a law suit in progress to challenge President Clinton's Executive Order which has declared the coal on the new Utah national park off-limits to mining. The interview asked skeptically, "Do you really think it's going to go anywhere"? He said that Executive Orders are very powerful and added that many of the viewers of the "Quid Pro Coal" show on Thursday night were so angry after learning what Clinton has done that they are calling for his impeachment.
Realistically, if there is enough public anger and outcry about this directed at the Bureau of Land Management, at best Utah may be given permission to put a few roads in there, a rail line, and then mine about 40 acres of it.
There was never going to be any strip mining. It would all be underground mining at a very small site. There is enough "compliance coal" at this site in Utah to last an estimated 240 to 270 years if mined constantly. But now we will probably be buying this type of coal from Indonesia.

I came to F.R. to help people take their blinders off,and have a nice day.

13 posted on 05/06/2003 3:14:24 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: backhoe
Do you have that link to that thread from about a year ago regarding this issue?I posted what I sent you back then.Thanks.
14 posted on 05/06/2003 3:15:57 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: jonascord; kdmhcdcfld
FYI
15 posted on 05/06/2003 3:25:16 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: jimt
That's right! I'd forgotten that little bit of information about the soft coal.
16 posted on 05/06/2003 3:36:45 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Pagey
Thanks Pagey for posting that information. The other problem with this monument is that the money from anything in that area is supposed to go to the Utah public school system. So Clinton and his cronies really stuck it to 'the children' of Utah. All in all, this was a heinous deed.
17 posted on 05/06/2003 3:38:26 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: Pagey
Do you have that link to that thread

Darn it! If I do I can't locate the !#$%! thing!

18 posted on 05/06/2003 4:02:11 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: Utah Girl
Hmm, Lying to Congress...You know during the 70s' & 80s', didn't some Pres. aides go to prison for this. ABCNNBCBS still screams bloody hell to the GOP for this...while RATs do far worse and smile...knowing ABCNNBCBS will cover-it up...shills...
19 posted on 05/06/2003 4:35:19 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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Historical Fact BUMP
20 posted on 05/06/2003 5:17:16 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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To: Pagey
Odd how greasepaint has suddenly faded into the mists...
21 posted on 05/06/2003 9:35:03 PM PDT by jonascord (Fie on Marxist quotes!)
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To: Utah Girl
How well I remember this scam and of course we took note that the announcement took place at the Grand Canyon. I will never understand how people could not see through this vaudeville act of an administration, which added criminal elements to their political acts.

From the article:

At a March 26 state hearing, Sen. White grilled McGinty on the effort by the White House to conceal the announcement from the Utah congressional delegation. White also hammered away at a campaign contribution from environmental groups that apparently hinged on the deal going through.

This Mary Jo White sounds terrific. Remember how things got done with this crew. As Johnny Chung informed us, "White House like subway. You put token in."

22 posted on 05/06/2003 9:59:45 PM PDT by cyncooper ("We Stand For Human Liberty"....President George W. Bush, May 1, 2003)
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To: metalurgist
Very interesting report.
McGinty is a lying scumbag. (Surprise, surprise - - she's a Clintonite.)
I have already informed my State Senator (Joe Conti) that my vote for him depends on his vote against McGinty's confirmation. That scumbag must be buried.
23 posted on 05/06/2003 10:10:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jonascord
Odd how greasepaint has suddenly faded into the mists...

Know-nothing skunks like "greasepaint" pop around from thread to thread just to leave their stench.

24 posted on 05/06/2003 10:15:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: metalurgist
Fast Eddie Rendel is a crat. Fast Eddie and honesty have yet to be introduced.

I still get believe PA elected this creep ... We are soooooooo screwed

25 posted on 05/06/2003 10:18:50 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: metalurgist
"the enviros have $500,000 to spend either for us or against us."

Of course Gore was behind a tree in the forest at that moment after drinking too much ice tea, so he didn't know about the money.

26 posted on 05/06/2003 10:21:29 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Mo1
I still get believe = I still can't believe
27 posted on 05/06/2003 10:21:54 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: Physicist; Badray
Ping.
28 posted on 05/07/2003 8:00:10 AM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: Pagey
Great post!

"The question is, did the Clinton administration know they were making Indonesia rich? How could they NOT know?

Oh, they knew all right.

It looks like some consequences may accrue to McGinty and other bit players, but nothing happens to the Clintons. I've been following this story for years and I keep waiting for something to happen which might cause the public to wake up about the Clintons and this sordid tale. 9-11 apparently wasn't it. I'm not worried, other shoes will drop.

29 posted on 05/07/2003 8:14:48 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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FACTUAL CLINTON BUMP!!!
30 posted on 05/07/2003 12:43:39 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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Anybody else miss this thread?
31 posted on 05/09/2003 1:21:57 PM PDT by Pagey (Hillary Rotten is a Smug , Holier-Than-Thou Socialist)
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