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Dem State Senator Supports Docs In Pa.
www.countypressonline.com ^ | 05/07/2003 | Connie Williams

Posted on 05/07/2003 1:08:40 PM PDT by Tribune7

To The Press: The medical malpractice crisis has reached epidemic proportions in Pennsylvania.

Medical care in our state is in desperate trouble.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: conniewilliams; doctors; lawyers; malpractice; pennsylvania
The 17th District consists of parts of Montgomery and Delaware counties in Philadelphia. This is good news. Way to go Connie Williams.
1 posted on 05/07/2003 1:08:40 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Willie Green; Mo1
ping

baseballmom this is your State Senator.

2 posted on 05/07/2003 1:09:46 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Temple Owl
ping
3 posted on 05/07/2003 1:10:11 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Screw the Doctors. They are the cause of the problem Let them clean their own house of bad doctors before whining about insurance.
4 posted on 05/07/2003 1:21:08 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Tribune7
BTW, Connie Williams is an extremist Liberal pro-abort feminazi Democrat.
5 posted on 05/07/2003 1:21:36 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Screw the Doctors

When its time for a hip replacement, see a lawyer. I'm sure he wouldn't be against suing God for a defective product. On the other hand, that would require a court to admit to His existence.

6 posted on 05/07/2003 1:24:47 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Spoken like a true nutcase. Did the Docs make a mistake and let you out of the nuthouse? Is tht why you are mad at the docs.
7 posted on 05/07/2003 1:24:54 PM PDT by cksharks
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Connie Williams is an extremist Liberal pro-abort feminazi Democrat.

I don't think I'd vote for her but she's dead right on this issue.

The guy she replaced BTW was a pro-abort Republican and the woman she beat to win the seat was a pro-abort Republican lawyer. Gotta love the Main Line.

Go Rendell Republicans.

9 posted on 05/07/2003 1:28:25 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Sorry that should have been:

"Go away Rendell Republicans."

10 posted on 05/07/2003 1:29:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Let the lawyers who are the real problem go?
12 posted on 05/07/2003 1:33:10 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: William Creel
Tilghman actually was fairly conservative on most issues and he is a stand-up guy who answered his own phone. He opposed abortion restrictions, however.

I would have probably voted for Tilghman in a general election and maybe voted against him in a primary.

Upon reflection, I think I would vote for Connie Williams over Lita Cohen.

I live in the 26th District BTW.

13 posted on 05/07/2003 1:38:37 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: William Creel
Better any Republican than a Democrat for caucus purposes.
14 posted on 05/07/2003 1:58:46 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: cksharks
I'm not mad at the Doctors. I just fail to understand why limiting legal payout is supposed to "solve" the problem. The problem is malpractice by Doctors, mostly by a small percentage of repeat offenders who should not have a medical license. I've heard something like 5% of the doctors produce 50% of the malpractice cases. The lawsuits and insurance costs are a symptom of this problem.

I certianly don't like lawyers.

15 posted on 05/07/2003 2:01:05 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: bmwcyle
Let the lawyers who are the real problem go?

Why are the lawyers the problem? They are just providing a service people want. Free market and all that, right?

I love the nonesense so many "Conservatives" spout. No regulations by government because you should sue in court for any reddress of wrongs needed ... BUT, your payout in a lawsuit must be strictly limited to keep insurance costs down. If you want to limit payouts, then expect heavy regulation.

There's a simple legal reform that doesn't take a constitutional amendment that could solve any problems from the legal side - LOSER PAYS ALL COSTS. But I don't see Doctors campaigning for that, because I suspect a lot of malpractice cases are cut and dried. When the doctor amputates the wrong leg, its pretty clear he's at fault.

17 posted on 05/07/2003 2:05:04 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: William Creel
Not doubt. But is a Dem really any better?
18 posted on 05/07/2003 2:10:03 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Tribune7
Doctors want limits on awards. Also very coyly, they want docs and lawyers to "discipline" bad doctors. How nice, how cozy. Own the henhouse and the hens, gather the eggs and keep the place locked tight, so no one can see in.

Great solution.

19 posted on 05/07/2003 2:14:58 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
The problem is malpractice by Doctors

The problem is many. There are doctors who are sued for malpractice who didn't commit malpractice but must defend themselves anyway. There are doctors who are sued for malpractice without really committing malpractice but settle anyway because it is cheaper. And there are doctors who commit grievious acts of malpractice and lose wild judgements which they do not pay but their insurance company does spreading the pain to all the good doctors.

I would abolish pain and suffering as a consideration in settling all lawsuits and strictly limit non-economic damages.

What is the advantage to society in having this practice?

There are doctors who commit malpractice I've heard something like 5% of the doctors produce 50% of the malpractice cases.

Where did you hear this?

21 posted on 05/07/2003 2:38:04 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Therefore, I am introducing a constitutional amendment that would allow for caps in medical malpractice cases only. As you may or may not know, SB 50, the current legislation that is being promoted in Harrisburg, provides for caps on a broad range of liabilities, including product liability.

OK .. educate me .. how is changing the state's constitution for Medical Malpractice is a good thing??

The problem the way I see it, is the lawyers and all the stupid law suits

22 posted on 05/07/2003 2:38:47 PM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: cynicom
Also very coyly, they want docs and lawyers to "discipline" bad doctors.

I think one of the sops the doctors are offering to the lawyers is to have non-medical people sit on the license review board. It's just a sop.

Ultimately, the market is the means of discipling bad doctors and the criminal courts are the means of disciplining really bad doctors.

The civil courts should be means of addressing wrongs not distributing punishment.

23 posted on 05/07/2003 2:42:02 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Mo1
The Constituional amendment comes into play because the State Supreme Court claims the state legislature has no authority on setting limits to damage (and change of venue and a whole lot of other things) and the Supremes have prohibited these things in the past.

Other entities besides doctors would like non-economic damages capped too. I guess Connie is still enough of a Dem not to want to hurt the lawyers too badly.

24 posted on 05/07/2003 2:46:18 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Term limits would help and do not ever vote for lawyers.
25 posted on 05/07/2003 6:04:18 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: Tribune7
Where did you hear this?

In just about every article written on the subject in the past several months.

26 posted on 05/07/2003 7:18:28 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Can you be more specific? I'm not picking on you.
27 posted on 05/07/2003 7:46:04 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Its been on the Big Talker 1210 AM here in Philly, in the Inquirer, etc. I just tried looking it up on google and found the following:

"Public Citizen analyzed a public use file from the National Practitioner Data Bank, which includes information about malpractice judgments and settlements since September 1990. The analysis found that 4.8 percent of doctors in the United States (40,118) who have paid two or more malpractice awards to patients are responsible for 51.1 percent of all the reports made to the Data Bank. Those doctors have paid out nearly $21 billion in damages, more than 53 percent of the total damages paid. The analysis also found that 1.7 percent of doctors (14,293) are responsible for 27.5 percent of all malpractice awards; 14, 293 have made three or more payments, totaling $11 billion."

And here:

"There are fair, viable prescriptions for this illness. Insurance companies could impose rates that reflect risks. Approximately 75 percent of malpractice claims are associated with 15 percent of doctors. Safe drivers pay different rates than habitual drunk drivers. Why not impose higher premiums on physicians and hospitals with higher error rates?"

The Pennsylvania law on this matter was adopted in 1790 in the generation of our Founding Fathers. I trust them more than I trust the Doctors and their shills. And I trust juries more than I trust the Legislature. Its juries, not lawyers, who compute the awards.

"The Pennsylvania Constitution provides, 'All courts shall be open; and every man for an injury done him in his . . . person . . . shall have a remedy by due course of law, and right and justice administered without sale, denial or delay.' This provision, adopted in 1790 ..." (found here in the Post Gazzette)

In the same article is the claim: "Most importantly, in the last 25 years in Pennsylvania, only 9 percent of doctors, many repeat offenders, were responsible for 100 percent of compensation paid." This claim is easily verifiable since these statistics are public record.

Of course, I speak as one who married a woman whose grandfather was prematurely killed by a doctor on the operating table.

28 posted on 05/07/2003 8:24:13 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
That's pretty much what I expected.

Hermann

Public Citizen is dedicated to leftist causes and the promotion of unrestricted judical power. They fight each and every attempt at legal reform. It was founded by Ralph Nader for Pete's sake. Check the home page. Here is the doctors' answer to one of their claims albeit not that particular one.

The second link was to the Medical Malpractice Referal Network. The page is copyrighted by Medical-Malpractice-Lawyers-Attorneys.com. I think I will be suspicious of their motivations.

The third link was to a newspaper guest column by another trial lawyer.

Rember the question I asked you? What social good comes from plantiffs being liable for unlimited non-economic damages.

29 posted on 05/07/2003 9:24:40 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If the doctor does not do his job go to another or get better insurance. Keep the lawyers out of the pockets that drives up the good doctors insurance.
30 posted on 05/08/2003 5:31:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
If you want better health care:

1. Take quality food supplements to better your health.

2. Get a PPO not a HMO

3. Get more than one opinion

4. Use the Library and the internet to learn more about what is wrong with you.

4. Don't be so dame lazy using by lawyers to take your responsibilities.

The hardest working people in our society include doctors not lawyers.

31 posted on 05/08/2003 6:05:03 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always flexible)
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To: bmwcyle
The hardest working people in our society include doctors not lawyers.

Very true.

32 posted on 05/08/2003 6:45:21 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Temple Owl
Do not ever vote for lawyers

But that would mean Bill Clinton would never have been president. It would mean we couldn't vote for Hillary. You must be part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

33 posted on 05/08/2003 6:49:19 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: bmwcyle
I have excellent health.

I have a PPO.

I don't go to the doctor (doctors are for sick people - I'm not sick).

I eat whatever I want, but limit my intake of processed foods, esp. those with lots of preservatives and corn syrup and the like. I don't pop vitamin pills. If I need vitamins, they'll be in the food I eat (milk, orange juice, meat, vegetables, potatoes, etc.)

I don't have any dealings with lawyers.

34 posted on 05/08/2003 9:31:59 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: bmwcyle
Why not allow differentials in insurance? Doctor's with a clean record get low rates. Doctor's with dirty records (two or more malpractice cases) get much higher rates.
35 posted on 05/08/2003 9:34:39 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Tribune7
What social good comes from plantiffs being liable for unlimited non-economic damages.

It is a method of compensating victims of malpractice for the wrong done to them. If you bothered to read the references, you'd note that most awards are small.

But think about it. Is your leg/penis/hand/eyeball/kidney/etc. worth a mere $250,000 if it got accidentally removed, as has happened again and again? How about your life, if you die under a doctor's care from his malpractice? Should your family be limited to compensation of $250,000 if you were old and no longer working (no lost wages)?

I simply do not understand why you folks feel the solution to malpractice is to blame the victims and limit their ability to just recompense.

Malpractice occurs because of a small number of doctors, not because of injured patients.

Limiting awards for malpractice is like limiting restitution for victims of crime.

Again, why do you so distrust your fellow citizens on juries to decide what is fair here?

36 posted on 05/08/2003 9:43:14 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
It is a method of compensating victims of malpractice for the wrong done to them.

I understand that.

If you bothered to read the references, you'd note that most awards are small.

So why not limit them?

But think about it. Is your leg/penis/hand/eyeball/kidney/etc. worth a mere $250,000 if it got accidentally removed,

I would say that would be too low. Suppose the damage was set at say $2.5 million by statute indexed to inflation -- plus whatever medical care is required to makes things as right as possible? I would not sell certain bodily parts for $2.5 million but I would not sell them for $250 million either. A lifetime's worth of income is about as reasonable compensation as one could get.

How about your life, if you die under a doctor's care from his malpractice? Should your family be limited to compensation of $250,000 if you were old and no longer working (no lost wages)?

Why $250,000? Is that what the going rate is? Raise it to a specific objective number that the average citizen would find reasonable and upon which insurance companies can make predictions.

I simply do not understand why you folks feel the solution to malpractice is to blame the victims and limit their ability to just recompense.

Because a major hospital has just closed down due to high liability malpractice rates. Because I know good doctors who are fleeing the state for the same reason. Because one of the last Philadelphia manufactors nearly went out of business because it owned a company involved with asbestos for three months in 1963.

Limiting awards for malpractice is like limiting restitution for victims of crime.

No, criminals are supposed to be punished. People who make errors should just be required to make good.

Again, why do you so distrust your fellow citizens on juries to decide what is fair here?

For example, a few years ago Judith Richardson Haimes of Philadelphia was awarded more than $1 million by a jury because they believed she lost her psychic powers after having a CAT scan performed on her at Temple University Hospital.

37 posted on 05/09/2003 6:35:41 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
I just checked your profile. You're a traditional Catholic. Something else to consider.

The huge judgements against various archdioceses in the cases of predatory priests have placed major burdens on Catholic schools, hospitals and good priests and nuns. Has it the affected the lifestyles of the church officials who covered the matter up? Not really. Did the out-of-court settlements offered to victims in the '80s make things safer? Obviously not.

Without the opportunity to use the civil court system like a lottery for this matter a lot of suffering would have been avoided.

38 posted on 05/09/2003 6:41:46 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
$250,000 is the propoed cap on non-economic damages. You could recover medical costs, lost wages, etc., plus $250,000. As I said, if you don't have wages, you are screwed.

The award for the psychic should be appealed.

39 posted on 05/09/2003 10:37:07 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
$250,000 is the propoed cap on non-economic damages.

Well the loss of an arm, eye or leg would have an economic factor also. But you have a point. There is a danger in the thing swinging to far the other way.

The award for the psychic should be appealed.

It was appealed. A judge knocked down the award to $1. BUT that was after three years of misery for those sued. And what if he didn't.

The event happened in the late '80s, btw.

40 posted on 05/09/2003 12:42:27 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
You would never ever b elieve this, but I voted for Billy Carter's stupid brother.
41 posted on 05/09/2003 12:47:04 PM PDT by Temple Owl
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To: Temple Owl
Oh, I believe it.
42 posted on 05/09/2003 3:17:31 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Check this link.
43 posted on 05/10/2003 7:59:41 AM PDT by Tribune7
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