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Brown Recluse Spider Bites - Now is the time to spray your house! (graphic pictures)
myself ^ | 5/9/03 | brigette

Posted on 05/09/2003 6:40:47 PM PDT by stlnative

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1 posted on 05/09/2003 6:40:47 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
So what state do you live in?
These things are not a problem down here where I am.
2 posted on 05/09/2003 6:42:52 PM PDT by error99
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To: brigette
Thanks for the post. My next door neighbor (I'm in East Texas) just had their house fogged and they found 12 dead brown recluse spiders afterwards. I've already ordered my spraying and so should anyone that lives in their territory.
3 posted on 05/09/2003 6:44:44 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: error99
I live in Illinois - they mainly live in the midwest, but have been found in new areas throughout the USA due to people moving from the midwest to other places.
4 posted on 05/09/2003 6:44:55 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: brigette
What are you doing that's leaving you so exposed to those things? I've lived in brown recluse country for over 25 years never even touched one.
5 posted on 05/09/2003 6:45:03 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: error99
We have them in NJ and PA.
6 posted on 05/09/2003 6:45:46 PM PDT by Betteboop
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To: brigette
Take care.
7 posted on 05/09/2003 6:46:06 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: brigette
How big are they?
It looks Huge.
I'm in MI.
8 posted on 05/09/2003 6:48:33 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004- pray for our troops)
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To: brigette
Also in California. Couple ladies I know got hit. One almost lost her leg.
9 posted on 05/09/2003 6:48:51 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: brigette
I think spider venom has an enzyme that basically has two purposes: digest living tissue, and turn some of it into more enzyme.
Not pretty.
10 posted on 05/09/2003 6:49:09 PM PDT by djf
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To: discostu
I live in the country - farmland - corn fields and very wet weather right now that makes them move indoors... they get in my house all the time. I spray 4 times a year and not gotten around to it yet. Not sure when I was bit, it could have been while I was sleeping. You do not really feel them when they bite... it is the after you have worry about as it swells and turns black in the center.
11 posted on 05/09/2003 6:49:36 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: brigette
I recently referred a patient of mine to a plastic surgeon for a BRS bite on the back of her calf. Fortunately this one will heal. My mentor treated one that the ER and family doc misdiagnosed as simple cellulitis. Lost half his leg.

One final note:

I have a patient with a history of severe acute liver failure.

He set off a bug bomb but returned home too soon.

He inhaled enough insecticide to cause severe liver damage.

And most insecticides are ineffective against spiders unless they get direct and heavy contact.

12 posted on 05/09/2003 6:50:30 PM PDT by Polycarp ("When a mother can kill her own child, what is left of the West to save?" - Mother Theresa)
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To: brigette
Sounds like you need more cats. Lousy company good for keeping bugs out. Good luck, those bites get nasty.
13 posted on 05/09/2003 6:51:14 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: brigette
What happens when you have your house bombed? Do you have to wash all exposed surfaces -- for instance dishes?
14 posted on 05/09/2003 6:51:19 PM PDT by Exit148 (As a member of the Loose Change Club, I have collected $5.72 since the last Freepathon.)
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To: netmilsmom
they can be tiny or slightly larger than a quarter when the legs are spread. Read the website... or do a google search on them. They have a fiddle shape on their backs.
15 posted on 05/09/2003 6:52:08 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: brigette
Bitten twice in three years? While I feel sorry for your situation, if you ever attend a FR rally, please identify yourself so that others can avoid a lightning strike or other freak accident.
16 posted on 05/09/2003 6:52:18 PM PDT by Young Rhino (France delenda est)
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To: brigette
What about those fine light tan ones? I have them in my kitchen and they seem harmless. I always talk to them before I blow them away from my area.
17 posted on 05/09/2003 6:53:58 PM PDT by Exit148 (As a member of the Loose Change Club, I have collected $5.72 since the last Freepathon.)
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To: Exit148

18 posted on 05/09/2003 6:56:58 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: brigette
Don't mean to offend here, but didn't you notice a spider on your neck? Did it bite you while you were sleeping?

We have these things, or a relative, here in Michigan. I spend much time outdoors and I've never been bitten, though I know of one person who has (a surveyor).

The territory I live in is lousy with mosquitos; I always leave spiders (and bats) alone for this reason.

19 posted on 05/09/2003 6:57:38 PM PDT by yooper
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To: brigette
A friend of mine got nailed good by a Black Widow. Didn't want to heal, a couple times the doctors carved away some tissue around it. Six months later, he has a golf ball size hole in his leg. He's a big dude, but still..
20 posted on 05/09/2003 6:57:49 PM PDT by djf
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To: Exit148
You will have to read the instructions on the type of pesticide you use. Each pesticide should be used and cleaned up by what they makers suggests. I use the fogger bombs and they work fine for killing BRS, you might be surprised how many you find dead after you bomb your house. They hide in clothes and shoes, normally you never see them unless they are on the move.
21 posted on 05/09/2003 6:58:14 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: tutstar
spiders & snakes give me the creeps!!! I have seen more bugs in Fl than I ever cared to know existed.
22 posted on 05/09/2003 6:58:22 PM PDT by tutstar
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To: brigette
Dang! I can't sit still now! I keep looking and itching!
23 posted on 05/09/2003 7:00:00 PM PDT by tuckrdout
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To: brigette
Very interesting. Also gives one and idea of what chemical warfare can do.
24 posted on 05/09/2003 7:03:21 PM PDT by Joee
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To: brigette
That's one advantage to living in a cold climate (New England). Bugs are only a problem maybe four months a year and they aren't that nasty (except for the mosquitos). In fact, here it is in mid-May and the mosquitoes haven't even come out yet. On the other hand, we've only had several warm days so far this year. It's been a cold, wet spring.

I have a serious case of arachnophobia and that picture creeps me out. If I find even a simple garden spider in my house, I'm running for the RAID can.

25 posted on 05/09/2003 7:04:27 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: brigette
I got a bite on the back of my hand whil pulling ivy off a wall (North TX), it turned into a non-healing spreading mess. BRS was the diagnosis, can't remember what I zapped it with tho'. I now have a scar about nickel size. About 15 yrs ago. Now I wear work gloves outside...
26 posted on 05/09/2003 7:05:54 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: yooper
Both times I was bit. I never saw the spider or felt it. I only felt it after it became inflamed and grew larger. Again I live in the country... they are everywhere! We have a thick wooded are right behind the house and corn fields all around us. Pets can also be bitten, they have some pet case on the website link I posted above. I see hundreds of them every year some in my house at times and other outside. As soon as you clear them out more move back in the house or around your home. I have many gardens on my 5 acres of land also. You can keep your dwelling spotless and still get them inside your home they are small spiders that do not normally come out in the open. You usually find them hiding or right after you have sprayed.
27 posted on 05/09/2003 7:09:39 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: discostu
Guinnea Hens=Spider eaters

Spiders can be amazingly rugged. I find tons of them inside my 1000lb. hay bales. They are in the hayfield when cut. They survive the drying/crimping, raking, acid spray preservative, and then baleing to a few thousand pounds PSI. Many of the bugs in the bales even survive the winter. I've opened a bale in february and found grasshoppers, beetles, spiders, etc... in a sort of suspended animation. They start moving once the enormous pressure is released when I open the bale.

When I had about 20 guinnea hens I hardly ever saw a single bug. They are gone now due to biosecurity measures. Soon after I noticed the Brown Recluse in our raspberry patches last season.

28 posted on 05/09/2003 7:09:58 PM PDT by blackdog (Peace, love, and understanding.....$10 bucks a hit in America.)
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To: brigette
are = area
29 posted on 05/09/2003 7:10:49 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: All
I live in MI, but don't recall ever seeing the BRS. Has anyone seen a photo with the spider next to a nickel or other coin, it may help with understanding the size.

Sorry to hear about your bites.

30 posted on 05/09/2003 7:11:17 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Polycarp
And most insecticides are ineffective against spiders unless they get direct and heavy contact.

This is true, since spiders are not "insects". They are arachnids, more related to crabs than insects. Make sure what you buy is effective against spiders.

31 posted on 05/09/2003 7:11:43 PM PDT by Paradox
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To: blackdog
well that might the problem here, we use at least 6 strawbales a season to use as mulch in our veggie gardens. Newspaper and then straw on top. We have 5 acres and many gardens, both veggie & flower. (Country living you know!) Field Mice - Deer in the yard - raccoons - snakes - the neighbors cows getting out and eating up your gardens - some folks don't get it - country life that is. I was born and raised in St. Louis and moved way out into the country in 1994. You know where we have to have our water hauled in and dump into a cistern. (too high up to have a well dug) - Thanks!
32 posted on 05/09/2003 7:18:10 PM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: blackdog
That's probably a compliment to your baleing machine, I wouldn't doubt if most bugs (like eggs) can handle pretty severe pressure if it's applied evenly and very little if it's not. I know tarantulas (not venomous but they got BIG fangs) will literally fall apart if they fall more than about a foot. I dropped the S volume of the Britanica on a palo verde beatle once (big nasty mean ugly critters) and it was gone in the morning.

I think I'll stick with cats I know they're good against scorpions. Makes sense that birds would be good, they don't just eat seed.
33 posted on 05/09/2003 7:18:51 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: madison10
http://spiders.ucr.edu/recluseid.html

34 posted on 05/09/2003 7:22:40 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: brigette

35 posted on 05/09/2003 7:24:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: brigette; East Bay Patriot
OMG, thanks for the warning but, those pictures! Are you getting the stun gun treatment for the bite, or what?

Recluses take five years to reach full size.

FIVE years to adult stage?! How many more years do they have till they croak from old age?!

Best wishes for your quickest possible recovery. (I hate spiders, all spiders, but particularly those brown devil recluses.)

36 posted on 05/09/2003 7:26:48 PM PDT by xJones (Spiders, eight legs, two fangs and an attitude.)
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To: brigette
thanks.

i've had clusters of bites like those above on my right leg, but i didn't know what it was.

i went into a pharmacy and grossed out the pharmacists, who said, you ought to see a doctor!

i live in socal, but not in the area on the map below.
37 posted on 05/09/2003 7:29:41 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is real democracy.)
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To: brigette
I lost a good friend last year. He had diabetes and said he was bitten on the top of his foot. It developed into a bad sore and he tried home remedies on it until they had to amputate his foot. Then it spread up his leg and he finally succumbed.
38 posted on 05/09/2003 7:29:41 PM PDT by tubebender (?)
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To: brigette
Thanks for the info. I think there were a couple of cases here in Connecticut (over about the past 10 years) where people actually died from BRS bites.
39 posted on 05/09/2003 7:30:14 PM PDT by nutmeg (USA: Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: kcvl
the son of the couple that we bought our house from died from a recluse spider bite - he was camping in the woods in northern Florida- we have had two teens in the school get bites from reaching into boxes in the garage in central fla on the coast - so they seem to be everywhere- the trick is getting to the Dr on time for antibiotics
40 posted on 05/09/2003 7:31:23 PM PDT by newzhawk
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To: brigette
Now I've got the eebie-geebies. I never will forget when I was in my old apartment and felt a tickling sensation on my left arm. I laid there for a moment, thinking I was dreaming, and then I turned on the light in time to see a HUGE spider running behind the bed.

IT TOUCHED ME! IT TOUCHED ME! OH, THE HUMANITY!

I hate those darn things.
41 posted on 05/09/2003 7:31:40 PM PDT by scott7278 (Four more years! Four more years!)
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To: brigette
You do not really feel them when they bite... it is the after you have worry about as it swells and turns black in the center.

About 3 1/2 years ago I was bitten repeatedly on the head by one of these critters. There were between 11 and 13 bites (some overlapped and the rotting sores made it difficult to count) with the ones on the top being the worse and getting less severe as they progressed toward the front of my head. I think the thing may have been slowly running out of venom and just kept biting till it was empty. They are a really nasty painful bite after the fact as you don't feel them bite. I figure that either it got in my hat or got me while I was sleeping. I treated the wounds myself using a flax seed poltice made with very hot epsom salts solution. The poltice seemed to help with removing the necrotizing flesh and kept it from spreading while the wound ran it's course. I think gangrene could be a problem, and the necrotizing of the flesh seems to penetrate deeply enough ( my skull became visible in the worst one) that a bite near an artery might actually rupture the artery. I survived, it took about four months for the wounds to completely heal and there is still a depression in the skin on my head where the bites were in a long line about an inch wide and 6 inches long that is something like half or more of the depth of the flesh on my skull.

I've also been bitten by a black widow spider, and as bad as they are, I'd say the fiddleback is by far the more dangerous.

42 posted on 05/09/2003 7:32:32 PM PDT by templar
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To: brigette
I think that is a black widow female who eats her mate after
mating.
43 posted on 05/09/2003 7:33:31 PM PDT by wingnuts'nbolts (You've no idea how uncommon commonsense is arpind here)
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To: blackdog

LOL!

44 posted on 05/09/2003 7:35:18 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: brigette
Take a bowie knife, heat it over a campfire till it is redhot, slice thru the wound then suck the poison out. Tomorrow you will be able to hop on your horse and get out of Dodge...... :)
45 posted on 05/09/2003 7:35:22 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Nothing worse than an angry herd of hungry finches....)
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To: brigette
Another (possible) brown recluse survivor chiming in.
About 10 years ago, I had a "knot" on the shin, weird rashes for about a week,
then developed a hideous fever and the lower 2/3 of the leg (with the "knot") turned
an ugly Darth-Vader Death brown-black. (Probably ensuing bacterial infection
from the wound.)

ER doctor f---ed up, gave me only corticosteroids; he woke up
and got me on antibiotics the next day.
The leg was saved, I was recovering for about a year.
Folks need to understand these things can KILL children, the elderly and
those who are physically weakened by disease.
46 posted on 05/09/2003 7:37:28 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Exit148
What happens when you have your house bombed? Do you have to wash all exposed surfaces -- for instance dishes?

No, in the above instance, its usually the dishes that are the first to go and totaly impossible to recover......

47 posted on 05/09/2003 7:39:16 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Nothing worse than an angry herd of hungry finches....)
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To: brigette
bttt
48 posted on 05/09/2003 7:40:33 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: brigette
My son Garrett and I got bit soon after our move to Texas. The bites festered for months, and were hideously ugly.
The poison just keeps eating away at the tissue and the wound grows. Hydrogen peroxide to kill the raw edges finally worked at stopping the destruction so real healing could begin.
49 posted on 05/09/2003 7:41:25 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: brigette
I have had several close calls with BRS, but so far none have bitten me.

I just smashed one the other day as it was crawling on the wall behind the monitor...got it with my sandal.

My favorite method to kill spiders is using Aqua Net --the super hold stuff.
I had a big spider in a corner of the bathroom frozen in place for a few years...kind of like a trophy. ;-`)

50 posted on 05/09/2003 7:42:42 PM PDT by CARDINALRULES (Can of Aqua Net and a lighter = spider flambe.)
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