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‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’
Arab News ^ | 5/10/03 | P.K. Abdul Ghafour

Posted on 05/10/2003 1:34:32 AM PDT by kattracks

JEDDAH, 10 May 2003 — The Shariah considers terrorism one of the most heinous crimes, says Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki, secretary-general of the Makkah-based Muslim World League. “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and the two do not meet at any point,” he said.

“We are saying this not to please anybody but out of our conviction that showing mercy and compassion to our fellow human beings is the hallmark of Islam,” he added. He said it was the duty of the Muslims to provide full support for the government in its fight against terror.

Sheikh Saleh ibn Muhammad Al-Taleb, imam and khateeb of the Grand Mosque in Makkah, also called upon Muslims to mind the noble qualities of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). “The life of the Prophet is full of examples of noble qualities and strong morality,” the imam said while delivering his Friday sermon.

Taleb noted that the Prophet prayed for mercy for the non-believers who had hurt him and his companions, expelled them from their homes, tried to kill them and waged wars against them. “O God, forgive my people for they do not know,” he quoted the Prophet as saying during the battle of Uhed.

The Haram imam emphasized the significance of showing mercy to one’s fellow beings, citing it as one of the outstanding qualities of the Prophet. “The Shariah is benevolence in its totality, in its objectives, applications and means. Islam is the religion of mercy not only in times of peace but also during war,” he said.

Turki’s statement and the imam’s sermon follow the announcement by the Interior Ministry on Wednesday that its security officers foiled major terror attacks in the Kingdom by a 19-member group linked to the Al-Qaeda network.

Meanwhile, Dr. Muhammad ibn Saad Al-Salim, rector of the Imam Muhammad ibn Saud Islamic University in Riyadh, rejected suggestions that his institution was one of the breeding grounds of terrorists. “Our university has no relationship with these people (the terrorists),” he told Okaz newspaper.

“We advise our students to follow the noble teachings of Islam, which calls for tolerance and cooperation for the welfare of all,” the rector said. He added that the university was revising its curriculum regularly to accommodate modern developments. More than 80,000 students have graduated from the university over the past 50 years.

Asharq Al-Awsat, a sister publication of Arab News, reported yesterday that Khaled Muhammad Al-Johani, one of the 19 Al-Qaeda suspects was believed to be the gang’s leader.

The Arabic daily said Johani’s picture had appeared on the website of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) among 17 others more than a year ago.

The FBI listed Johani among Al-Qaeda suspects after its agents saw his picture in a video seized from the house of a former Al-Qaeda military commander, Muhammad Atef (Abu Hafs Al-Masri), who was killed in US bombings in Afghanistan in October 2001, the paper said.

Johani, who settled in Afghanistan in 1993 along with a number of Arab Afghans, had visited the Kingdom several times using forged travel documents but did not meet his father. Informed sources told the Arabic daily that Johani might have sneaked into the Kingdom a few months ago.

In a related development, Kuwait denied that Abdul Rahman Jabara, one of the 19 suspects, was a Kuwaiti national. “Jabara is of Iraqi origin and holds Canadian nationality. He was born in Kuwait and lived here for a long time before settling in Afghanistan four years ago,” a Kuwaiti source told the paper.



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1 posted on 05/10/2003 1:34:32 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: 2ndIDVet; AEMILIUS PAULUS; Alberta's Child; Andy from Beaverton; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...
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Stop the ROT!
(Religion Of Terror)
2 posted on 05/10/2003 1:38:29 AM PDT by Thorondir
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To: kattracks
‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’

Yeah, right....and I believe in the tooth fairy, Easter bunny, RATS are honest American loving people, etc., etc.

3 posted on 05/10/2003 1:42:07 AM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: kattracks
If terrorism is so "alien" to Islam, why is there so much of it? Islam may reform itself from the inside, but not before their more militant elements, Wahhabism and the fundamentalist Shi'a sects, have their ears pinned back for them. No doubt, there are some very good and devout Muslims. There are also many Muslims who believe in the sanctity of the religious life, separate from the secular life, but apply those principles every day to the way they conduct their personal affairs. Belief in representative government, and the administration of just law, is entirely compatible with a deep personal devotion to Allah.

But ducking behind a supposed faith as an excuse for murdering and enslaving those who are different from yourself, cannot be tolerated in any world where the ideal of peace is held to be a goal. There are many way to achieve an absence of war, but only a very few may truly be called "peace". America has its own pockets of unrelenting intolerance, but these are regularly exposed, and reduced, in an ongoing effort to prepare for our own more nearly just society. We should ask no less of our Muslim neighbors.
4 posted on 05/10/2003 1:52:23 AM PDT by alloysteel
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5 posted on 05/10/2003 1:58:51 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: kattracks
Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki, secretary-general of the Makkah-based Muslim World League. “Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and the two do not meet at any point,” he said.

This guy is completely, utterly insane or a world class shameless liar in the extreme.

6 posted on 05/10/2003 2:01:57 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
This guy is completely, utterly insane or a world class shameless liar in the extreme.

I vote the insane, shameless liar thing.

7 posted on 05/10/2003 2:08:41 AM PDT by woofer
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To: kattracks
‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’

Works of Islamic Terror
1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated - Islamic Terrorist

1970 (?) 4 airliners hijacked, 3 airliners blownup in the Middle East in single operation - - Islamic Terrorists
1970 Jordanian citizens attacked, murdered (by PLO) - - Islamic Terrorists

1972 Munich massacre of Israelis - Islamic Terrorists

1975 Raid on Entebbe, Uganda - Israeli plane hijacked, Israelis murdered - Islamic Terrorists

1983 Lebanon Marine Barracks attack - 250 murdered - Islamic Terrorists

1985 Rome Airport murders - Islamic Terrorists
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, murder - Islamic Terrorists

1986 Germany, Disco Bombing, U.S. military personnel murdered - Islamic Terrorists

1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists

1993 World Trade Center attacked - Islamic Terrorists

1996 Khobar Towers attack - Islamic Terrorists

1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists

1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle - Islamic Terrorists
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2000-2002 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured - Islamic Terrorists

2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2001 Flight 93 murders - Islamic Terrorists
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists

2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed - Islamic Terrorists
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered - Islamic Terrorist
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Washington D.C. sniper - Islamic Terrorist
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured - Islamic Terrorists

PLO - Islamic Terrorists
PFLP - Islamic Terrorists
Black September - Islamic Terrorists
Fatah - Islamic Terrorists
Islamic Jihad - Islamic Terrorists
Hizbollah - Islamic Terrorists
Hamas - Islamic Terrorists
Yasser Arafat - Islamic Terrorist
Osama bin Laden - Islamic Terrorist
Nov. 4, 1979: Hostages taken at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Fifty-two American citizens were taken hostage when militant students of radical Islam stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. April 18, 1983: Bombing of U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans. Oct. 23, 1983: Bombing of Marine barracks in Beirut. 241 U.S. Marines were killed and more than 100 others wounded. Dec. 12, 1983: Bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait. Six people were killed, including a suicide truck bomber, and more than 80 others were injured March 16, 1984: CIA Station Chief William Buckley kidnapped. Died in captivity. Sept. 20, 1984: Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut. 24 people killed, two of whom were U.S. military personnel Dec. 3, 1984: Hijacking of Kuwait Airways Flight 221. The hijackers killed two American officials from the U.S. Agency for International Development. June 14, 1985: Hijacking of TWA Flight 847. Robert Dean Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver, was shot and his body dumped on the airport tarmac. October 7, 1985: Hijacking of cruise ship Achille Lauro; -Terrorists killed Leon Klinghoffer, by throwing him overboard in his wheelchair. December 17, 1986: Bombing of Rome, Vienna airports. 20 people killed, including 5 Americans. April 5, 1986: Bombing of La Belle Discotheque. 1 US service man killed, 200 other wounded. December 21, 1988: Bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 -All 259 people on board were killed, along with 11 on the ground February 26, 1993: First World Trade Center attack. -Six people died and more than 1,000 people were injured. December 24-26, 1994: Eiffel Tower Plot -Armed Islamic Group hijacks hijacked a French airliner and planned to crash it into the Eiffel tower. 3 people killed. June 25, 1996: Khobar Tower Bombing. 19 US servicemen died, hundreds wounded. August 7, 1998: Embassy bombins in Tanzania and Kenya. Killed 224, including 12 Americans. October 12, 2000: USS Cole Ship Bombing 17 US Navy sailors killed, injuring more than 39. September 11, 2001: attacks on Pentagon, WTC, and Capital Building. 3161 Died. July 4, 2001: Egyptian Muslim immigrant attacks ticket counter at LAX. 2 people killed. May 8, 2002: killing of 11 French submarine technicians in Karachi October 7, 2002: French tanker 'Limberg' bombed. 1 killed. Tanker ruined. October 12, 2002: Indonesian nightclub bombing in Bali. Over 187 killed, targeting Australians and Americans. October 2002: Beltway sniper shooting. An American, John Muhammad, who converted to Islam killed 9 people and shot 13, in assistance with a Black 17 year old Jamaican illegal immigrant. October 23, 2002: Moscow concert hostage situation. 170 dead. October 28, 2002: American diplomat assasinated in Jordon.
8 posted on 05/10/2003 2:53:06 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Bobby777
The Koran on Jews, Christians, Christianity, Christ, the Gospel, The Deity of Christ, the Holy Trinity, the Bible (the Book) and Infidels

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

"The Women" [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

[3.85] "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

[4.91] You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands,
then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.

The Dinner Table - [5.51] O you who believe!
do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

The Cattle - [6.146] And to those who were Jews We made unlawful every animal having claws, and of oxen and sheep We made unlawful to them the fat of both, except such as was on their backs or the entrails or what was mixed with bones: this was a punishment We gave them on account of their rebellion, and We are surely Truthful.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away,
then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Congregation [62.6] Say: O you who are Jews, if you think that you are the favorites of Allah to the exclusion of other people, then invoke death If you are truthful. (PLEASE COMMIT SUICIDE)

The Cow - [2.111] And they say: None shall enter the garden (or paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian. These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful.

The Dinner Table - The Dinner Table [5.14] And with those who say, We are Christians, We made a covenant, but they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of, therefore We excited among them enmity and hatred to the day of resurrection; and Allah will inform them of what they did.

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust.

Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9: 29). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

"Fight those who do not profess the true faith [ISLAM], till they pay the jiziya with the hand of humility." - Koran 9: 29

"....
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS], and smite all their finger tips of them [CUT OFF THEIR FINGERS]." - Koran 8: 12

"
Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate." - Koran 9: 73

"
When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads [CUT OFF THEIR HEADS] and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly." - Koran 47: 4

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom...." - Koran 5: 33-34

" Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last day, nor hold the forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and his messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jiziyah with willing submission. And feel themselves subdued." - Koran 9: 29

"....the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." - Koran 98: 1-8

"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they try to escape from Hell, back they shall be dragged, and will be told: 'Taste the torment of the Conflagration!'" - Koran 22: 19-22, 23

"And burn ye him in the blazing fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits. This was he that would not believe in allah Most high and would not encourage the feeding of the indignant. So no friend hath he here this day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds. " - Koran 31-37

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." - Koran, 5:33-34)

"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." - Koran, 8:37

The God of Israel has a Son - Jesus Christ of Nazareth; but Allah has no son according to the Koran

Therefore the Biblical Christian God of Israel is not Allah

"They say: Allah has taken a Son (to Himself)! Glory be to Him: he is the Self-sufficient: his is what is in the heavens and what is in the Earth; you have no authority for this; do you say against Allah what you do not know? Say: Those who forge a lie against Allah shall not be successful." - Koran 10:68-69 [SAYS JESUS IS NOT THE SON OF GOD AND WHOEVER SAYS SO IS A LIAR]

"....the Christians call 'Christ the Son Of God'. That is a saying from their mouth; (In this) they but intimate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth." - Koran 9: 30

The Women - [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and his Word which he communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and his apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god; far be It from his glory that he should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector. (CLEARLY STATES THAT JESUS IS **NOT** THE SON OF GOD)

The Immunity - Denial of Deity of Christ and His Messiahship - [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (MAY ALLAH DESTROY JEWS AND CHRISTIANS)

Say: "Praise be to Allah Who begets no son and has no partner in (His) dominion: nor (needs) he any to protect him from humiliation: Yea magnify him for his greatness and glory!" - Koran 17: 111

Further that he may warn those (also) who say "Allah hath begotten a son": - Koran 18: 4

It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that he should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When he determines a matter he only says to it "Be" and it is. - Koran 19: 35

They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous! - Koran 19: 88-89

For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that he should beget a son. - Koran 19: 92

No son did Allah beget nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods) behold each god would have taken away what he had created and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah (he is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! - Koran 23: 91

he begetteth not nor is he begotten; - Koran 112: 3

9 posted on 05/10/2003 2:53:48 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
What kills me .... come to think of it Others too... is that someone can write this piece and think well he must be telling the truth...because one thing that terrorist are is truthful, sure they kill innocents but they would never lie? I mean.... What is that??? you see it in our press daily..
11 posted on 05/10/2003 3:06:21 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (C)
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To: kattracks
When Muslims begin to hang their own for terrorism in the name of Islam, I'll buy the argument. I have never heard of such an event. Many Muslims in the United States cheered the destruction of the Trade Towers. We should never forget that.
12 posted on 05/10/2003 3:39:00 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: kattracks
they are in a murderous, self pitying state of denial.
13 posted on 05/10/2003 5:10:52 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: Bobby777
"Garments of fire have been prepared for the unbelievers. Scalding water shall be poured upon their heads, melting their skins and that which is in their bellies. They shall be lashed rods of iron.

Saddam and Sons had this down to an art.

Prairie

14 posted on 05/10/2003 5:16:24 AM PDT by prairiebreeze ("Never have so many been so wrong about so many things"---Sec. Defense Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: alloysteel
Well the problem you see is, when an Islamonazi blows up a group of diners at a pizzaria, or flies a plane into a building full of civilians, thats not defined as terrorism by many muslims. It falls under their religious definition of defence of Islam if they feel that the Dar al Saalam is under attack ( the house of the believers ).

" It depends on what your definition of the word is, is."
W.J.B. Clinton
15 posted on 05/10/2003 5:16:26 AM PDT by Kozak
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To: kattracks
God didn't make the little green apples and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summer-time.
16 posted on 05/10/2003 5:21:40 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: kattracks

Read Islam Unveiled and get back to me on this subject. A very eye-opening read indeed.

17 posted on 05/10/2003 5:26:48 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: kattracks

18 posted on 05/10/2003 5:37:03 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: Kozak
Exactly! This is Clintonian in its brass.

Any time an Islamic spokesman wants to deny the firm correlation between Islam and terrorism, he simply redefines acts of terrorism that involve Muslims as "armed resistance to oppression." Of course, it's incumbent on us not to let them get away with that silently. We have to compel them to do it in public, out in front of God and everybody.

There will come a reckoning. May it come soon!

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
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19 posted on 05/10/2003 5:50:14 AM PDT by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: fporretto
Well, I for one welcome these statements. They should be shouted from the minarets of every mosque on Earth. If the Muslims are to go forward in this world and get out of the 11th century, they need a huge reformation of their religion in regards to other beliefs. They cannot expect an armed struggle against us without a fight and hopefully an ass-kicking. Certainly we will not submit. Bush's actions in the War on Terrorism should encourage a more tolerant view in Islam. If not, then they will be oppossed and lose.
20 posted on 05/10/2003 6:11:48 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: kattracks
I've understood that Allah says it's ok to lie, and even under oath, and upon the Koran, if it advances the Cause. Ala he himself, isn't bound to his word. He can lie, so why wouldn't his people lie?
21 posted on 05/10/2003 6:27:05 AM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: kattracks
"Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and the two do not meet at any point"

There certainly are a lot of Muslims who never got this message, Abdullah.

22 posted on 05/10/2003 6:29:24 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The cosmos is God's holy scripture. His truth is there for all to read.)
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To: kattracks
Try selling that one to the Wahabbis!
23 posted on 05/10/2003 6:37:25 AM PDT by JimRed (Disinformation is the leftist's and enemy's friend; consider the source before believing.)
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To: kattracks
‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’

I suppose it all depends on what the definition of terrorism "is"...
24 posted on 05/10/2003 6:46:26 AM PDT by VOA
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To: alloysteel
You make a really great point - on the other hand it raises questions about the last 1460 years of Western and Central European history.

Those people were all Christian. They couldn't make it through a full decade without war or totalitarian (terroristic) regimes somewhere in the area in that whole period. In the end one group decided to dispose of the entirity of the Jews, and almost did so!

It's only now after 50+ years of a benign American Occupation that they've been able to tone it down.

Then there were the Mongol Invasions (roughly 600s to 1400s), and whether they were Buddhist, Moslem or Christian, they were equally brutal and rapacious!

Islamic civilization has been, on the whole, at least as peaceful as that of Western and Central Europe.

25 posted on 05/10/2003 8:35:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kattracks
This is good news. So when do they start supporting freedom for Muslims to leave Islam without the death penalty?
26 posted on 05/10/2003 8:51:26 AM PDT by JeepInMazar (www.answering-islam.org)
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To: Thorondir; kattracks; CheneyChick; vikingchick; Victoria Delsoul; WIMom; kmiller1k; mhking; rdb3; ..
So, Muslims are aliens? I wonder if we could design some special glasses, so that we could see them in crowds of humans?





27 posted on 05/10/2003 9:54:00 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: kattracks
Funny statement. The cold, hard fact is that Islam IS terror. Islam was spread not by the power of the word, but by the power of cold, hard steel. Believe or be killed. That is the factual history of Islam, and it has continued unchanged to this day. Islam is a religion of terror.
28 posted on 05/10/2003 9:55:58 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Sabertooth
"We got one that can see!"

8-)
29 posted on 05/10/2003 10:07:41 AM PDT by Bobby777
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To: kattracks
Who you gonna believe?
Me or your own lying eyes?

Sandmaggot propaganda never changes.

30 posted on 05/10/2003 10:18:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Billy_bob_bob
Actually in most of the parts of the world whre Islam is the dominant religion it was spread by peaceful means. In the early days it was spread by violence, of course, mostly at the hands of former Byzantine "Christian" soldiers working for the Arabs.

One thing for sure, in the 7th and 8th centuries, the Moslems knew where to go to find guys who knew how to chop heads, eh?!

31 posted on 05/10/2003 10:18:44 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You know, that crap might fly with the totally ignorant.

I ain't buying any of it.
Comparing today with Christianity of the 11th century is so.... muslim and childish.

But I repeat myself...

32 posted on 05/10/2003 10:23:04 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Sabertooth
"I'm here to chew gum, and kick ass... and I'm all out of gum.."
33 posted on 05/10/2003 10:25:14 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: muawiyah
Actually in most of the parts of the world whre Islam is the dominant religion it was spread by peaceful means.

No it was not.

Unless you mean like today in the Philipines and Indonesia.
Depends on your definition of "peaceful"?

"I did not have sex with that woman..."

34 posted on 05/10/2003 10:26:17 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Sabertooth
Who want's to see them?

I mean, they NEED veils! But not Meg...

35 posted on 05/10/2003 10:56:10 AM PDT by Regulator (I watched the same damn movie last night!)
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To: kattracks
‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’

After running this through the "truth in advertizing" filter, we are left with:

"Islamics are Alien Terrorists"

36 posted on 05/10/2003 11:08:18 AM PDT by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: kattracks
Interesting... I agree, not all moslems are terrorists... It's funny, though, how it seems that the vast majority of the world's terrorists are moslems, and the vast majority of strife in the world is either in, or caused by, moslem countries...

Mark

37 posted on 05/10/2003 11:12:01 AM PDT by MarkL
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To: kattracks
MAKKAH, 11 January — Muslim scholars from around the world yesterday spelled out their definition of terrorism saying ‘it covers all acts of aggression unjustly committed by individuals, groups or states against human beings including attacks on their religion, life, intellect, property or honor’. They also said "any act of violence or threat ... designed to terrorize people or endanger their lives or security" also amounts to terrorism. "Damaging the environment and public or private facilities, and endangering natural resources" is equally an act of terror, as are "murder and banditry." They, however, described acts by the Palestinians against the Israeli occupation as a form of jihad and legitimate self-defense and called for a joint effort to counter anti-Islamic campaigns.
38 posted on 05/10/2003 11:23:27 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Sabertooth
So, Muslims are aliens? I wonder if we could design some special glasses, so that we could see them in crowds of humans?

Hmm?? Maybe with a little tweaking, these could be adapted??? . . .



39 posted on 05/10/2003 11:35:45 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: philetus
Muslim scholars like to pick and choose which instances of terrorism they will consider terrorism.
40 posted on 05/10/2003 11:35:54 AM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: Thorondir; Sabertooth
The Shariah considers terrorism one of the most heinous crimes, says Dr. Abdullah Al-Turki, secretary-general of the Makkah-based Muslim World League. "Islam has nothing to do with terrorism and the two do not meet at any point," he said.

Ha! It'll be easy to mistake the two from any distance! Considering that the Koran is the word of Allah, and Islam isn't spread by peaceful persuasion but through violence, all too many of these words are in fact incitements to behave in the manner of those called fundamentalists.

41 posted on 05/10/2003 12:49:08 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Sabertooth
LOL.
42 posted on 05/10/2003 12:51:30 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Elkiejg
‘Terrorism Is Alien to Islam’

I wish............

43 posted on 05/10/2003 12:55:56 PM PDT by b4its2late (Who the hell wants to hear actors talk? - H. M. Warner (1881-1958), Warner Brothers founder)
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To: kattracks
“The life of the Prophet is full of examples of noble qualities and strong morality,”

Like the part about him murdering the two slave girls for singing a song about him?

Like him sticking his crank into a 9 year old?

Interesting "religion."

44 posted on 05/10/2003 1:08:09 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Sabertooth
"I've come here to kick ass and chew bubblegum... And I'm all out of bubblegum!"

Mark
45 posted on 05/10/2003 1:44:24 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: Cindy
bump
46 posted on 05/10/2003 1:49:00 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Publius6961
Starting with Indonesia, the world's most populous Moslem State, East Bengal (aka Bengla Desh), Malaysia, large swaths of Africa, chunks of India here and there (although there is an initial history of violence), and so forth, Islam was spread by traveling merchants and traders ~ not by armies of conquest.

Again, I provided the critical exception ~ in it's earliest days Arab conquests paved the way for the spread of Islam in the Middle East and North Africa. To a degree only now being discovered by archaeologists, the "conquering armies" were more nearly non-Arab and non-Moslem than otherwise. The Moslem dominated Arab government provided a focus of opportunity for "rogue" Byzantine military personnel (that's a polite way to say it). (I hope folks have noticed that the Syrian and Chaldean Christian churches still exist even though they were right there were the first military "conquests" occurred.)

Actually, this all makes a great deal of sense because Christians, with their history of violence over the last millenium and a half, should have done a really great job at wrapping up the states in North Africa in a short period of time. This would also be in line with the opportunities Christian conquerors gave Moslems to spread their faith throughout Africa in modern times.

47 posted on 05/10/2003 4:29:35 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Alas Babylon!
Actually, we would be ahead if they'd get back to the 11th Century. What we are facing are Islamists fired up by 18th and 19th Century European Socialist notions of governance.

Except for the Turkish conquests, and the Mongel conquests before and after them, the Arab Moslems were doing pretty good right up to the 11th century.

48 posted on 05/10/2003 4:31:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SkyPilot
The marriage to the 9 year old is an agreed upon story which had a political purpose (to make the girl's offspring legitimately in the blood line of the Prophet.) Except to a religious fanatic (which I take it you are not), the story is understood as an hadith which DOES NOT REFLECT HISTORY!

It's purpose is similar to the Moses story where Moses is drawn out of the bullrushes of the Nile by a royal princess, his real mother being a Hebrew slave who set him adrift to avoid having him slaughtered in one of those "first born" killings so common in the background of world religions.

The Moses story made Moses legitimately a Hebrew. Fortunately he had his new-found brother Aaron at his right hand to do all the heavy duty preaching in Hebrew (Moses being fluent primarily in Egyptian).

This business of the "recovered brother" or "long lost child" is common in ancient history. The Arabs just did it a different ~ they simply destroyed the reputation and standing of the woman ~ women were of no account among them and they didn't think a thing about it, nor were they concerned with your utterly modern attitude toward womens which they could not have imagined!

49 posted on 05/10/2003 4:38:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Publius6961
BTW, the Moslems in the Philippines are not trying to "spread Islam" ~ they are trying to evade domination by a Christian state called Republic of the Philippines.

The Moslems in Indonesia were probably as concerned about East Timor's history of Communist activism as they were their supposed Christian backgrounds. In fact, the biggest mass murder by Moslems commited against anyone else because of their beliefs happened in Indonesia and the targets were Communists ~ (except for the Hindus in Bali who got in the way ~ many of whom were sociopathic Communist cadre anyway).

For the most part Americans cheered when the Indonesians disposed of the Communists.

50 posted on 05/10/2003 4:43:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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