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Why it's OK not to like modern art
The Times (UK) ^
| 5/8/03
| Julian Spalding
Posted on 05/10/2003 5:02:44 AM PDT by jalisco555
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To: jejones
I don't have the independent twin I-beam suspension on my disbelief that it takes to believe that in La Bohéme, Mimi can still sing while dying of tuberculosis. :)You have no idea how hard I laughed when I read this. Excellent!
I was born in Italy in '56, came to the US in '58, returned for the first time in '68 and spent the summer. That was my first intro to Opera. All the while I'm agreeing with my relatives about how beautiful Opera is, yada, yada, yada meanwhile under my breath I'm uttering all those swear words my friend Agnes taught me. You know like 'holy s@#t, where's Vlad the Impaler when you need him?'
Then after a 29 year hiatus I returned to Italy in '97, pleaded the Plague when asked if I wanted to attend a showing of Aida (sp?).
Made my last trek in '00, stayed for 3 weeks, relaxed, visited the Jewish quarter of Rome, took in the Cistine Chapel (who can concentrate with your neck in that position?), 'felt' the Appian Way and generally had a very good time. And nobody asked if I wanted to go to the Opera.
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posted on
05/10/2003 8:13:23 PM PDT
by
AlbionGirl
(A kite flies highest against the wind, not with it. - Winston Churchill)
To: Rebelbase
Remember: " Form follows Function". the building has to function for human use first.
To: jejones
Ridiculous isn't it?
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posted on
05/10/2003 9:06:28 PM PDT
by
wardaddy
(My dog turned to me and he said " Let's head back to Tennessee Jed!")
To: jalisco555
It's the stuff that is deliberately offensive or purposely ugly that I strongly object to. It's not as if there's an excess of beauty in the world after all. Why deliberately create ugliness?
Yeah, I agree. Art has the potential to inspire, inform, heal, and do so much good in the world. Yet, when people do something like the author of your article described (place human waste in a can and sell it as "art"), I think all they are really doing is seeking five minutes of fame for themselves. Unfortunately, they usually get it.
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posted on
05/11/2003 3:54:37 AM PDT
by
summer
To: Dianna
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posted on
05/11/2003 4:08:06 AM PDT
by
summer
To: summer
Yeah, I agree. Art has the potential to inspire, inform, heal, and do so much good in the world. Yet, when people do something like the author of your article described (place human waste in a can and sell it as "art"), I think all they are really doing is seeking five minutes of fame for themselves. Unfortunately, they usually get it. It's not just fame they get. There's money in canned dung as well, it seems. And some of that money is yours and mine, via govt. support of this stuff. The really unfortunate part is that this sort of thing tends to crowd out worthwile art, which has trouble finding an audience. Well, this too shall pass, I suppose.
To: jalisco555
I do think it will pass, and new and better art is coming... :)
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posted on
05/11/2003 4:30:13 AM PDT
by
summer
To: jalisco555
PS Good to hear from you again, too, jalisco555. :)
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posted on
05/11/2003 4:50:50 AM PDT
by
summer
To: summer
Always a pleasure, Summer.
To: AlbionGirl
I managed to go decades without ever seeing an opera. Then, about six years ago a friend browbeat me into going and I fell in love with it in about five minutes. I only wish it hadn't taken me so long to discover how beautiful opera is.
To: jalisco555
Same here. :)!
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posted on
05/11/2003 5:11:53 AM PDT
by
summer
To: jalisco555
In Paul Kos' "Tunnel" (1995), now at the Berkeley Art Museum, a tiny electric train engine whirls around inside a big wheel of cheese.
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posted on
05/11/2003 5:30:06 AM PDT
by
csvset
(Is cheese series art?)
To: csvset
Have to admit that's funny. Unintentionally funny, probably, but funny nonetheless. I think the best way to make this sort of thing go away finally is through laughter and scorn.
To: jalisco555
The best came first.
Centuries ago, art had a purpose. It recorded history for the illiterate masses, lavishly decorated places of worship, and preserved the likenesses of the "elite". Then came the camera, the literacy of the masses and the concept of art for the sake of "emotional response" (ie: shock, chaos, impression, and illusion). Altho I love the work of some modern artists, I do understand that art has come to be what it is because it's purpose has changed direction.
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FWIW: A few weeks ago, I was following some links on the threat that America faces from the hard left and it's underlying ties to the communist agenda and here are a few items from the list of "goals" (for the purpose of degrading society and the individual character):
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
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posted on
05/11/2003 6:02:09 AM PDT
by
two23
To: summer
Heh. That's pretty clever.
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posted on
05/11/2003 7:47:38 AM PDT
by
Conservative til I die
(They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
To: Conservative til I die
I assume you are referring to that photo of the large bronze sculpture. Glad you liked it. :)
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posted on
05/11/2003 8:54:43 AM PDT
by
summer
To: summer
Thanks so much Summer!
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posted on
05/11/2003 9:27:28 AM PDT
by
Dianna
(space for rent)
To: jalisco555
How many times have you looked at a work and then listened to or read the artist's discription of the piece?
Many times I have come away shaking my head in total confusion.
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posted on
05/11/2003 9:38:48 AM PDT
by
fightu4it
(heneedshisasskicked)
To: Dianna
My pleasure, Dianna. :)
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posted on
05/11/2003 9:43:32 AM PDT
by
summer
To: fightu4it
How many times have you looked at a work and then listened to or read the artist's discription of the piece? Many times I have come away shaking my head in total confusion.
I remember reading about the Mapplethorpe exhibit trial in Cincinnati. Expert witnesses for the defense would describe the "artist's" use of lighting or perspective or subject placement or some such. It was enough to make you forget the work in question was a picture of a man with a bullwhip up his anus. The jury was completely bamboozled. I later read that the experts all had a good laugh at how they fooled the yokels.
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