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Arizona Governor visits a controversial Tucson church
KVOA-TV - Tucson ^ | 5/10/03

Posted on 05/11/2003 1:31:20 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan

5/10/03 -- KVOA -- Tucson, Arizona

Governor Janet Napolitano surprised many by visiting a controversial church. St. John's just started a new program that aids illegal immigrants. Many wonder how this is legal?

Bishop Gerald Kicani and St. John's parish welcomed Governor Napolitano with open arms. Eager to show off their new program, called Casa San Juan.

Bishop Kicanis says, "We have a responsibility to attend to those who are most in need, and that's what casa san juan is trying to do."

The privately funded program answers questions about citizenship, how to access healthcare...but for many they just need help with basic human needs.

Director Aida Rios says, "They come in here, they can't afford to feed their kids pay rent cover their health with what they make."

Rios says many employers take advantage of illegal immigrants. She says "we're talking three dollars an hour, dishwashing, we're talking they work three months, and they don't even get paid they're fired, that's bad."

While some people think aiding illegal immigrants is wrong...what casa san juan is doing is not illegal. Because they don't provide shelter for illegal immigrants.

Governor Napolitano says she fully supports the program, even if it supports illegal immigrants. Napolitano says, "At this level it doesn't strike me as all that important, we have a border issues, but I think this is people. I think it indicates a committment to others that we need in Arizona."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: crime; govcorruption; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist
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This is still aiding and abetting inasmuch as their actions cause continuation of the squatters' presence. They ought to be locked up. The new 'Rat Governess is a disgrace.
1 posted on 05/11/2003 1:31:21 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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'Rat alert!
2 posted on 05/11/2003 1:33:34 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan; Black Agnes; StarFan
With Governors like these, who needs the pro-illegal lobby??
3 posted on 05/11/2003 1:41:33 PM PDT by Dutchy
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To: Tancredo Fan
I wonder if she takes her oath of office seriously? I can only presume that it still includes the promises to follow the Constitutions of both the state and the United States and thus is she not shirking her duties as the chief executive officer of her state? Is she not the head of law enforcement in her state and thuis required to carry out enforcement of its laws and pertinent Federal laws? Perhaps a writ of mandamus is in order here?
4 posted on 05/11/2003 1:46:54 PM PDT by SES1066
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To: Tancredo Fan
Governor Napolitano

Wow. She makes our "Rat" governor (Holden) look like a conservative.

5 posted on 05/11/2003 1:50:58 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Tancredo Fan
our Hillary-Clone strikes again. Laws be damned.
Remind ya of someone ? If it doesn't you ain't
paying attention. Next is this waffle board border
law breaker and Hillary best friend allows terrorists
a whole in the fence,under the guise" for the chillins"
and endangers homeland security. Lastly,legally,as gub-blubber you are an officer of the court. Napolitano
broke the law in being derelect of duty.
6 posted on 05/11/2003 1:53:39 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: Tancredo Fan
"They come in here, they can't afford to feed their kids pay rent cover their health with what they make."

So the taxpayers need to pick up the rest, thereby allowing us to register them as DEMONCRATS right away, how else can a DEM win in a state as conservative as Arizona. DEMS MUST LIE to get elected.

7 posted on 05/11/2003 1:59:52 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: Tancredo Fan
Whatever happened to freedom of religion?
8 posted on 05/11/2003 2:00:04 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
She has sent a loud and clear message. She is leading by example. Liberals will cheer: and all those in and out of government will follow.

*Shudder*
9 posted on 05/11/2003 2:00:17 PM PDT by AngrySpud
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To: cars for sale
I think the Governor is a Lesbian, also....Hillary lite.
10 posted on 05/11/2003 2:01:49 PM PDT by Ann Archy
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To: Mister Baredog
Well our state house and senate just passed a law which requires identification to vote... Unless she vetoes it, your above can't even possibly come true...
11 posted on 05/11/2003 2:02:34 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Ann Archy
she denied it a month ago to the chigrin of witnesses
12 posted on 05/11/2003 2:03:34 PM PDT by cars for sale
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To: Tancredo Fan
Perhaps Arezona needs some help in getting rid of this slimy anti-American Scum bag?
13 posted on 05/11/2003 2:03:37 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: steplock
BEFORE you happily point it out - you without manners -
ARIZONA
14 posted on 05/11/2003 2:04:36 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: steplock
Really? Who do you suggest running against her? A very conservative ex federal congressman was beat by her...
15 posted on 05/11/2003 2:04:56 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
Whatever happened to freedom of religion?

Are you suggesting that this Bishop character is somehow above the law?

16 posted on 05/11/2003 2:05:02 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Is he breaking the law? And if so, file a police report. All this article stated is she attended a religious service...
17 posted on 05/11/2003 2:06:26 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
I'd like to know why a Catholic bishop is welcoming this pro-abort governor to a Catholic parish. Is it so important that he get her blessing on this program?
18 posted on 05/11/2003 2:10:25 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98
Is it a Catholic Church?
19 posted on 05/11/2003 2:12:00 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
All this article stated is she attended a religious service...

The article says that Governess Nappy fully supports this clown's aiding and abetting of illegal aliens. Look into the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) sometime.

20 posted on 05/11/2003 2:19:04 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
"While some people think aiding illegal immigrants is wrong...what casa san juan is doing is not illegal. Because they don't provide shelter for illegal immigrants."

From the article... are you saying the author of the article is incorrect?

21 posted on 05/11/2003 2:20:38 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
http://www.fourmilab.ch/uscode/8usc/www/sections.html

According to the above link there isn't just chapter...
22 posted on 05/11/2003 2:23:35 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
The author is a blithering idiot.

"Governor Napolitano says she fully supports the program, even if it supports illegal immigrants. Napolitano says, "At this level it doesn't strike me as all that important"

The author, "NOT reporter", should be asking the 'gov' what part of her OATH of OFFICE didn't she understand - other than the part about UPHOLDING the LAW???
23 posted on 05/11/2003 2:26:01 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: steplock
Again, I ask: how is she breaking the law?

I don't believe just because she supports something that means she isn't upholding the constitutional duties of her office?

That's like saying that Ashcroft isn't upholding the constitutional duties of his office because he's against abortion which is legal...
24 posted on 05/11/2003 2:28:57 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
Unless she vetoes it, your above can't even possibly come true...

In CA we're on the HONOR(LOL) system. Just say you're a citizen and you can register as often as you like.

25 posted on 05/11/2003 2:32:42 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: marajade
Try this link.
26 posted on 05/11/2003 2:36:38 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Are you sure that webpage is using the correct legal source? It looks like something in the state of Wisconsin... My link went directly to the source...
27 posted on 05/11/2003 2:38:20 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
oops... Minnesota...
28 posted on 05/11/2003 2:38:49 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
And besides... the article doesn't state that she personally knows any illegals who are residing and receiving aid from this program does it?
29 posted on 05/11/2003 2:40:32 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Mister Baredog
Well this article is about those who reside in AZ... and we just passed a new law...
30 posted on 05/11/2003 2:41:17 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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ping
31 posted on 05/11/2003 2:46:46 PM PDT by madfly (Welcome to Aztlan.gov. Press Uno por Espanol, Press 2 for Ingles! Gracias!)
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To: marajade
You can also refer to this link. I trust FAIR considerably more than I trust that 'Rat Nappy.

"Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally."

Paying the rent of a bunch of these pests qualifies as harboring, IMO.

32 posted on 05/11/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: marajade
We deserve her. Matt Salmon ran a lousy campaign. We never heard of her work representing Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings. We never heard of her ban of Christmas trees and other Christmas symbols at the A.G.'s Office. We never heard of how badly the A.G.'s office was run during her tenure. Salmon spent all his money in the primary and the dirt Napolitano threw at him went unanswered until the last minute. There were no issue ads run by national groups like Club for Growth and others despite the fact that these groups dislike her. Everyone fell asleep and now we are stuck.

Moreover she is an incumbent with the adoring support of the Republic and whatever passes for the rest of the local Phoenix and Tucson media. She was beatable the first time around had Salmon's campaign beed professionally run, but unless she screws up hugely and often over the next three years we will be stuck with her until 2011.
33 posted on 05/11/2003 2:48:24 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: Tancredo Fan
She isn't paying the rent... the Catholic Church is...
34 posted on 05/11/2003 2:49:13 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
And besides... the article doesn't state that she personally knows any illegals who are residing and receiving aid from this program does it?

I didn't accuse Nappy of a crime, but she condones what this Bishop is doing, OK? Sheesh. She should be calling for a federal investigation into the activities of that church, not drooling over their outrageous and blatant lawbreaking.

35 posted on 05/11/2003 2:50:24 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: dilpo
"We never heard of her work representing Anita Hill during the Clarence Thomas hearings."

I knew about it.

"We never heard of her ban of Christmas trees and other Christmas symbols at the A.G.'s Office."

As a lowly state worker in another state department I heard about it.

So what is your excuse?
36 posted on 05/11/2003 2:50:49 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
"I didn't accuse Nappy of a crime, but she condones what this Bishop is doing..."

Is the author incorrect when he states its legal?
37 posted on 05/11/2003 2:53:33 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
Is the author incorrect when he states its legal?

That's right, the writer is incorrect. That's not uncommon with KVOA's pinheads, however.

38 posted on 05/11/2003 2:56:14 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
The author stated that she didn't have any personal knowledge of any illegal immigrant... If my understanding of the law is correct, she is in compliance with the law.
39 posted on 05/11/2003 2:58:01 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
I knew it too. But I knew it from watching the Thomas hearings those many years ago and from people I know at the A.G.'s Office. I most assuredly did not know it from Matt Salmon or his campaign.
40 posted on 05/11/2003 3:00:46 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: dilpo
"I most assuredly did not know it from Matt Salmon or his campaign."

Well if ignorant citizens of the AZ voted for her not knowing these things about her then that is their responsibility, not Salmon's.

41 posted on 05/11/2003 3:01:50 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
Of course you are correct. It is up to the individual voters to dig up the necessary information they need to vote, not to the campaigns of the contestants to highlight the important issues and contrast their positions on them. By this standard, Matt ran a fine campaign. I stand corrected. We have no one to blame but the ignorant voters.
42 posted on 05/11/2003 3:08:49 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: dilpo
I doubt those two issues alone can explain why so many Republican women voted for her rather than Salmon...
43 posted on 05/11/2003 3:10:07 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: marajade
You don't get it. Those two issues merely exemplify the fact that he ran a lousy campaign. He was a wonderful candidate with great stands on the issues but his campaign did not get the message out. "Republican" women voted for Napolitano because she got her "women friendly" message out while Matt's campaign just blew it.
44 posted on 05/11/2003 3:19:19 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: marajade
The author stated that she didn't have any personal knowledge of any illegal immigrant... If my understanding of the law is correct, she is in compliance with the law.

The article says that this Bishop clown is aiding and abetting illegals, and that Nappy supports what he's doing. I did not accuse that lousy 'Rat of a crime, but you must have overlooked this part of the article: "Governor Napolitano says she fully supports the program, even if it supports illegal immigrants" . Nappy should be recalled based on that statement alone.

Furthermore, the author states that what the good Bishop is doing is not illegal, and that is clearly incorrect. It is illegal, and he and Rios ought to be locked up for their despicable activities.

45 posted on 05/11/2003 3:22:53 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: marajade
Oh! On the lead article in this thread, the issue is not that Janet is breaking the law--she is not. The issue is that she is a profound hypocrite. On the one hand she blasts the Bush Administration for not controlling the border, while on the other hand she supports an organization whose activities encourage the illegal immigration she complains so loudly about. Hypocrisy, not illegality, is the sin.
46 posted on 05/11/2003 3:23:50 PM PDT by dilpo
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To: dilpo
To be honest, as a woman voter I wasn't confident of my vote for him either... but being a solid Republican voter I pushed those doubts aside and voted for him...

Salmon tried to present himself as woman friendly but it just didn't come off because I really think it would have been disengenious for him to do so...
47 posted on 05/11/2003 3:28:00 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
Supporting something is different than being complicit in it...

Why is the Catholic Church allowed to commit illegalities?
48 posted on 05/11/2003 3:29:08 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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To: Tancredo Fan
What would you have the Bishop do? Have a hungry man produce two forms of identification before he can get a loaf of bread? What he is doing appears to me more like unbiased compassion, not any concerted effort to break the law. And if there's a law that says a Bishop can't give a hungry man bread, then I hope he breaks it. The authorities clearly know where he is, and if they want to lock him up, then I suspect he'll go with them. But when a government tells the Church that it can't practice compassion, I call that tyranny.
49 posted on 05/11/2003 3:33:36 PM PDT by JaimeD2
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To: JaimeD2
I guess now even religious leaders are supposed to ask people seeking food if they are US citizens...

Heck, I give people on the street money as handouts... I guess I'm now supposed to ask them if they are citizens are legal immigrants before giving them a dollar bill...

LOL...
50 posted on 05/11/2003 3:42:43 PM PDT by sabe@q.com
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