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FBI might drain Md. pond (it's now a tub with holes)
Baltimore Sun ^ | 5/12/03 | Scott Shane

Posted on 05/12/2003 5:22:16 AM PDT by TrebleRebel

FBI might drain Md. pond as part of its anthrax probe Spores reportedly found during Dec., Jan. searches of waters near Frederick -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- By Scott Shane Sun Staff Originally published May 12, 2003

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In addition, The Washington Post, citing anonymous sources, reported yesterday that divers retrieved a "clear box" with holes that could accommodate protective biological safety gloves, as well as vials wrapped in plastic.

Scientists working with dangerous microbes often use a "glove box," a sealed container made of glass or clear plastic with glove ports fixed in place to allow the researcher to manipulate equipment without being directly exposed to the germs. Such equipment ranges from laboratory-size units of the kind used at the Army's biodefense center at Fort Detrick in Frederick to small, inexpensive "glove bags" made of flexible plastic that can be disposed of after a single use.

One person who has heard a description of the box allegedly found in the pond said last night that it was not a commercially manufactured glove box or glove bag, but rather a plastic tub with two holes in it. The source, who has spoken to FBI officials, said some investigators believe it might have been part of jury-rigged equipment used to load the anthrax spores into the envelopes later sent to two U.S. senators and several media organizations. ------------------------

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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anthrax; inspectorclouseau; keystonecops; pond; wildgoosechase
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Yesterday it was a glove box. Today it's a tub with holes. An old tub used by children to make a raft perhaps - with some sludge trapped inside that contained anthrax spores - to be expected in any soil sample with a highly sensitive test.

Talk about fitting the crime to the person. They even worked in that the perp had to go into the water to transfer the anthrax to the envelopes. I can just imagine the prosecutor in court to their expert witness "So Dr. Rosenberg, in your opinion this bathtub with the holes could have been used by an expert diver to underwater to transfer anthrax to envelopes, is that correct?"

Then, during cross-examination "Dr. Hatfill - you're an accomplished diver, is that correct? - No further questions your honour".
1 posted on 05/12/2003 5:22:16 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: The Great Satan; Mitchell; oceanview; riri; Fred Mertz; bonfire; birdwoman; pokerbuddy0; ...
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2 posted on 05/12/2003 5:25:13 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
There are "tubs," and then there are "bath tubs." The article did not say bath tub.
3 posted on 05/12/2003 5:27:55 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: mrustow
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4 posted on 05/12/2003 5:36:59 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: TrebleRebel
It could also be an old sandblasting box (home made or commercially made) that was disposed of in the pond or washed into the pond during a rain from elsewhere. Ponds tend to collect a lot of garbage, and the article suggests that a lot of other stuff was removed from the pond. I wouldn't make any connection to the anthrax attack yet.
5 posted on 05/12/2003 5:48:40 AM PDT by templar
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To: TrebleRebel
Anyone who knew they were handling anthrax surely had the vaccine OR if they didn't, wound up on antibiotics or died....

The way the letters were folded suggests a SYRINGE type insertion of the anthrax into the letters. But this could have been done in the woods, were any residue would quickly disperse.

It's still the refining process that gets me because it likely took many attempts to refine it to their specs. An Arab student who studied here briefly and who got the basics still comes to mind....Just like the pilots using our training schools. Saddam has the Chemical forte and Usama has the Structural forte. Patience....We have Ms. Anthrax. Saddam himself knew @#$% about Anthrax.

I wonder if there were any holes in the letters or envelopes which is why they sealed the edges which are not necessarily the weakest part of an envelope. (There's just a lot that they're not telling us.)

6 posted on 05/12/2003 6:01:07 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: TrebleRebel
The correct term is an "isolation glove box". We are not talking bathtubs here...
7 posted on 05/12/2003 6:10:00 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: TrebleRebel
I am really sick of seeing Hatfillaccused without evidence. I suggest the FBI either charge him or start looking at alternatives. as directly as they are studying Hatfill. From what they have released so far it does not appear that there is any real evidnece against him.
8 posted on 05/12/2003 6:13:00 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: templar
Scientists at the Army's Dugway Proving Ground in Utah have tried to reproduce the anthrax powder in the letters, concluding that it could have been made in a modest home laboratory with tabletop equipment.

The statement above continues to puzzle me. We have heard, variously, that the Daschle letter anthrax was highly refined in a sophisticated centrifuge with specific additives that 'aerosolized' the anthrax, and yet there have been persistent stories that this was 'homegrown' anthrax.

My theory, which I've stated previously on FR threads, is that the vial passed to 9-11 hijacker Atta by the Iraqi agent in Prague contained the sophisticated anthrax. The hijackers were trained to use it to grow bigger batches, which would by necessity not have the additive or the centrifuged refineent.

Therefore you would have TWO different sample types, since they used the pure batch to send to Daschle.

This would also explain the evidence that the hijackers had rashes and skin conditions consistent with anthrax exposure, which evidence had emerged after 9-11 from 2 independent sources.

9 posted on 05/12/2003 6:13:01 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: ravingnutter
Er, well that's just it. Yesterday it was being reported they'd found something similar to what you link to - a commercial product. Today the Baltimore Sun is now reporting that it wasn't a commercial product at all - it was just a tub with holes. How you interpret a tub with holes is only a limit of your imagination.

Did the holes have flanges on them to accomadate gloves? Did the "tub" contain ports for sample transfer? Is this whole tub just some insane theory of the FBIs? Did they find an old tub with holes and suddenly they've turned it into a mini-bioweapons lab? We'd have to see the tub in order to give a valid critical assessment - in order to deduce if it could have ANY utility under ANY circumstances to do the job.
10 posted on 05/12/2003 6:21:49 AM PDT by TrebleRebel
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To: WL-law
I agree with your theory. I read about the Florida doctor or pharmacist who treated/saw the rash on Atta's hands. (Forgive my vagueness, it has been a while.) Could you enlighten me on the second source you mentioned? Also, has the FBI suggested a motive for Hatfield with respect to the anthrax mailings? Thanks.
11 posted on 05/12/2003 6:25:20 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla
I read about the Florida doctor or pharmacist who treated/saw the rash on Atta's hands.

Well, actually, your recall has merged elements of both sources. There is a pharmacist who was approached by one of the hijackers seeking medicine, a week or so prior to 9-11. There was also a doctor who was visited by another of the hijackers, and the doctor observed unusual symptoms that, once the anthrax attacks occurred, he realized were consistent with anthrax exposure.

12 posted on 05/12/2003 6:30:55 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: Sacajaweau
wonder if there were any holes in the letters or envelopes

One report suggests that there were slits in the envelopes through which a hypodermic needle could have been inserted.

13 posted on 05/12/2003 6:33:03 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: TrebleRebel
Did the holes have flanges on them to accomadate gloves? Did the "tub" contain ports for sample transfer? Is this whole tub just some insane theory of the FBIs? Did they find an old tub with holes and suddenly they've turned it into a mini-bioweapons lab? We'd have to see the tub in order to give a valid critical assessment - in order to deduce if it could have ANY utility under ANY circumstances to do the job.

And, if someone were trying to set up Hatfill, they could have easily planted that evidence long after 9-11, then phoned in a 'tip' to the FBI.

14 posted on 05/12/2003 6:33:09 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: WL-law
Close...but I think that either

1. the Anthrax came into the USA in syringes, ready for insertion into the envelopes OR

2. there was an Arab Student with his own little lab someplace here in the US, maybe out west like the unabomber. One of the big fires out west in 2001 got rid of the lab and any traces of the anthrax.

I still think there were 3 or 4 people involved in the whole scenario. This is not as simplistic as the unabomber.

Did the Hijackers have contact with the anthrax?? ATTA may even have had some on his person when they hit the towers. It would have burned up and left no trace. I think Atta was the only hijacker who knew about the anthrax and dead men tell no tales. But then there is Moussaoui. He was doing lousey on his "big jet" lessons but was certainly capable of flying a crop duster. Patience.

15 posted on 05/12/2003 6:35:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: WL-law
There's some problems with your theory. First it relies on an unsubstantiated report of Atta and Ani meeting in Prague. There is no evidence for that meeting, yet evidence must exist since Czech intel didn't know who Atta was at the time of the meeting. Second, the spores sent through the mail had to be processed with a centrifuge or similar device after being grown from bacteria. The bacteria do not cause infection, only the spores. Third, the additive (bentonite) is not rare, it's $7 for a 50 pound bag.
16 posted on 05/12/2003 6:35:43 AM PDT by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: TrebleRebel; Badabing Badaboom; Mitchell; bonfire; birdwoman; Fred Mertz; riri; oceanview; ...
What we are talking about here is establishing deniability. We saw this with the faux "decapitation strikes" on Saddam Hussein during the recent dust-up in Iraq. The purpose of releasing this glove box story now is to plant the notion that we "have our man" -- and it's not Saddam Hussein. That probably means that we are going to be learning about the fate of Saddam Hussein in the not-too-distant future, and it's going to look awfully like he made a deal with somebody -- perhaps the same person who brokered our deal with Aziz. The purpose of the deniability is to provide an excuse for the fact that we haven't arrested our man, and aren't going to arrest our man, or even empanel a grand jury assembled from randomly-selected members of the public, any time soon.

If you have been following this case, then you know that the discovery of a makeshift glove box, anthrax spores and vials "wrapped in plastic" in a pond in a search ostensibly inspired by a scene in Hatfill's unpublished bioterrorism novel is incredibly incriminating. If taken at face value, I'd say, skip the trial -- let's go straight to the execution. This great discovery is supposed to have happened four months ago. And yet, no charges, no grand jury. What does that suggest to you about the veracity of this story? I suggest that it's all about as veracious as the story that a CIA operative "earprinted" Saddam Hussein entering a bunker on March 20, and spied him being med-evaced from the scene with an oxygen mask over his face after the US rained forty cruise missiles down on the bunker a few hours later. In other words, it's a complete fabrication -- window dressing to avoid the impression that Saddam Hussein whacked the United States and got off with his life by virtue of his threat to use WMD on the American public.

The FBI has been criticized by some conservative commentators for seeming to ignore the possibility that foreign terrorists or Iraq might have been responsible for the anthrax mailings. Some suggested the case might be solved by the discovery of biological weapons facilities in Iraq, but little evidence of recent Iraqi bioweapons activity has turned up.

The purpose of Amerithrax is to convince us that the origin of those anthrax threats has been a big mystery to the United States. In fact, it never was a mystery. At the highest level, we always understood perfectly well that those threats came from the state which attacked us using terrorist proxies on September 11, 2001. See Woodward, Bush at War, p. 248, for the real story.

17 posted on 05/12/2003 6:37:19 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: WL-law
"And, if someone were trying to set up Hatfill, they could have easily planted that evidence long after 9- 11, then phoned in a 'tip' to the FBI."

And quite possibly not had to dial 9 for an outside line.
18 posted on 05/12/2003 6:37:39 AM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: harpseal
I agree. The FBI has destroyed Hatfill's life with innuendos and whispers. So far they have not come up with any evidence and, therefore continue to grasp for anything that will support their conclusion in order to avoid another department embarrassment. Unless they come up with conclusive proof, what they have done to Hatfill is criminal - and chilling.
This latest stretch about working with a powder under water is weird. (Or am I misunderstanding something here?)
19 posted on 05/12/2003 6:46:41 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: TrebleRebel; The Great Satan; Fred Mertz
I thought it was significant that yesterday's Washington Post article did not call the box a "glove box," but only strangely implied that it was.
20 posted on 05/12/2003 6:50:18 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: freeperfromnj
Thanks for that information though who the heck knows the truth of it.

I just try to "think" how I would have to do this and the pre-loaded syringe concept works best. So did they have many pre-loaded (throw-away) (1 oz) syringes?? or did they extract it through the seal of a 1 oz vial and insert it into the envelopes??

21 posted on 05/12/2003 6:52:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ImpotentRage
HF received medical training in South Africa, lists a post-graduate diploma in diving and underwater medicine from a South African training institute.

Of course the evidence is all circumstantial and a lot of it may be just coincidential, but you have to admit that it's a pretty long, interesting and intriguing list that can't be easily dismissed. I don't recall anyone coming to the defense of Scott Ritter -- the white male, ex-military weapons inspector. HF sure has a lot of fans here.

22 posted on 05/12/2003 6:55:03 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: aristeides; bonfire; Fred Mertz
I thought it was significant that yesterday's Washington Post article did not call the box a "glove box," but only strangely implied that it was.

I thought it was interesting that the WP story and the stories which picked it up focused on the trivial detail of the "new theory" about how the letters were loaded, rather than the apparent bombshell that the Feds found anthrax and a makeshift glove box four months ago in a pond based on a lead from Steve Hatfill's bioterrorism novel. And what I infer from that is that the story was crafted to plant a talking point in public consciousness, while somehow avoiding the question of why they haven't arrested this man or empanelled a grand jury to put him in the hot seat. This is a pattern we've seen again and again in this case. Remember "Greendale School"? Remember Hatfill's press conferences, and the photos of Hatfill's alleged girlfriend's alleged apartment allegedly turned over by FBI agents? Same modus operandi.

23 posted on 05/12/2003 7:00:25 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: TrebleRebel
I recall about 15 years ago the FBI caused a real stir regarding the investigation of the murder of a Federal Judge.

They suddenly swooped down on a junk dealer in Enterprise, Alabama and began to search every inch of his business including the pleasant job of digging up the septic tank.

I was watching this on TV with another grad student and we both laughed. It was so obvious listening to the owner that he was not the mad bomber that it was literally funny. Of course it turned out he had nothing to do with it and the only evidence was that the typewriter used to write some letter had once been in his junk.

Of course they have to check out all leads but this was ridiculous. The really do appear to be incompetent sometimes.

24 posted on 05/12/2003 7:04:55 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: ImpotentRage
You are misunderstanding nothing.
25 posted on 05/12/2003 7:06:15 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: TrebleRebel
I bet they are really looking for Rudolph, the guy they never found in North Carolina.
27 posted on 05/12/2003 7:58:51 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: The Great Satan
For arguments sake lets say Hatfield did it. I do not think he did. He is a doctor and would have access to the
Antibiotic that will prevent anthrax. If he worked with this agent in his profession he would have had the option of taking the vaccination that prevents anthrax. He would not need a glove box to load envelopes and thus leave a trail of incriminating evidence. He would merely need to load the envelopes in an isolated area, insert the envelopes into a zip lock bag, bathe in a creek or lake, dispose of his clothes, put on new ones, and drive back home. His envelopes would be ready to go whenever he decided to unzip the bag and drop it in a mailbox.

The scenario we are reading in the papers is bizzare.
28 posted on 05/12/2003 8:03:10 AM PDT by cpdiii (RPH & oil field trash and proud of it)
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To: cpdiii
The scenario we are reading in the papers is bizzare.

That's because this is just a made-up, BS talking point which is being disseminated right now to give a booster shot to the "domestic" theory of the anthrax. A few weeks ago, as the war in Iraq was winding down, there was another flurry of anthrax-related news stories with the same basic "take home" message. Supposedly, US Army scientists had discovered, after 18 months of trials, that the anthrax sent with the mail threats following 9/11 could have been weaponized simply by a private individual, without the resources of the state.

Now, ask yourself what might be the purpose of pushing this line now, in the wake of the resolution of the Iraq situation. I suggest the answer to that question is the same as the answer to the following: Why did the administration go to such lengths to sell us the story that we were personally targeting Saddam during the Iraq campaign? Who will be arrested first, Hatfill or Saddam? Or will neither of them ever be arrested?

32 posted on 05/12/2003 8:17:41 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: pokerbuddy0
They turned to the hot topic of anthrax. The powder in the letter mailed to Senator Daschle's office had been found to be potent, prompting officials to suggest its source was likely an expert capable of producing the bacteria in large amounts. Tenet said, "I think it's AQ" – meaning al Qaeda. "I think there's a state sponsor involved. It's too well thought out, the powder's too well refined. It might be Iraq, it might be Russia, it might be a renegade scientist," perhaps from Iraq or Russia.

Scooter Libby, Cheney's chief of staff, said he also thought the anthrax attacks were state sponsored. "We've got to be careful on what we say." It was important not to lay it on anyone now. "If we say it's al Qaeda, a state sponsor may feel safe and then hit us thinking they will have a bye because we'll blame it on al Qaeda."

"I'm not going to talk about a state sponsor," Tenet assured them.

"It's good that we don't," said Cheney, "because we're not ready to do anything about it."

         — Bush at War, Bob Woodward, p. 248 (account of NSC meeting, 10/17/01)


33 posted on 05/12/2003 8:19:17 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: TrebleRebel
Federal Bumbling Idiots strike again!
34 posted on 05/12/2003 8:20:29 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: ChefKeith
Federal Bumbling Idiots strike again!

Hardly. It's the administration that is BS-ing us. The FBI is just a tool. And if you want to understand why the administration is BS-ing us about the anthrax letters, it would be helpful to figure out why they BS-ed us about the "decapitation strikes."

Or, to put it another way, why is it that this man is smiling...

...and this man isn't?


37 posted on 05/12/2003 8:34:26 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: pokerbuddy0
I believe the reason they searched the pond to begin with is because they had a tip or witness. So far whatever leads they may have has taken them to a warehouse in Florida near his parents home (possible Florida connection); they have searched his apartment and a restaurant where bloodhounds responded (I know this is disputable but nevertheless the reputable, highly trained dogs reacted strongly at both places); they apparently have found something in the pond or they wouldn't be going to the extreme of draining it; he spent a decade in Africa returning to the U.S. in '95 (we don't know who he crossed paths with there); he falsified his resume in a big way; he worked at Ft. Detrick (Ames strain connection); he worked with anthrax; he trained in underwater medicine; he wrote a novel with details similar to the real attacks; he gave a lecture on a bioweapons attack where he specifically describes a bio attack via the mail system; and of course there is the Greendale school which we should automatically dismiss because it's just another ridiculous, illogical coincidence. If you look at each of these pieces of information separately of course it doesn't prove anything but it is surely worthy of an investigation. He already threatened to sue. Whey would the feds continue down this road with such a wierd story? You couldn't make this stuff up!
38 posted on 05/12/2003 8:43:59 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: palmer
There's some problems with your theory. First it relies on an unsubstantiated report of Atta and Ani meeting in Prague. There is no evidence for that meeting, yet evidence must exist since Czech intel didn't know who Atta was at the time of the meeting. Second, the spores sent through the mail had to be processed with a centrifuge or similar device after being grown from bacteria. The bacteria do not cause infection, only the spores. Third, the additive (bentonite) is not rare, it's $7 for a 50 pound bag.

The meeting DID occur, it's been confirmed by the Czech govt, check the story as its developed over time. The NY Times played a role in downplaying the authenticity of the meeting, with some FALSE reporting. Go figure.

39 posted on 05/12/2003 8:44:47 AM PDT by WL-law
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To: freeperfromnj
Whey would the feds continue down this road with such a wierd story? You couldn't make this stuff up!

Of course you could. And that's exactly what Hatfill and the boys at Amerithrax did. They made it up. It's kind of like the "earprint" story? Remember that? We were supposed to believe that the US personally targeted Saddam Hussein because a CIA operative used special "earprint technology" to ID him entering a bunker, then spied him being med-evaced away on a gurney with an oxygen mask over his face after we plopped a barrage of forty cruise missiles on the building. Remember that story? Guess what? The government has people whose jobs are making this sh*t up, and other people whose jobs are feeding it to the willing dupes in the press. And guess who sits at the bottom of this food chain?

40 posted on 05/12/2003 8:51:19 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: TrebleRebel; Mitchell; riri; oceanview; PJ-Comix; aristeides; Allan; bonfire; birdwoman; Wallaby; ..
For anybody who's interested in l'affaire Hatfill, there are some leads in the public domain which could be the basis for an investigative journalism project. It might help to be based in DC. For example, I believe it should be possible to go down to the US Copyright Office and take a look-see at Hatfill's book, which supposedly inspired this alleged pond search. Here's the entry in the database for the novel, Emergence:
Registered Works Database (Author Search)
Search For: HATFILL, STEVEN J., 1953-
Item 1 of 1
1. Registration Number:   TXu-887-264
Title:   Emergence.
Description:   198 p.
Claimant:   acSteven J. Hatfill , 1953-, & acRoger Akers , 1947-
Created:   not given on appl.
Registered:   26Aug98
Author on © Application:   text: Steven J. Hatfill; revisions & some text: Roger Akers.
  1/B
I would also recommend any journalists interested in the case call the FBI Washington Field Office, (202) 278-2000, and check if Pamela Lane and Jennifer Grant, the two FBI agents who Hatfill referenced in his August 2002 news conference, actually exist and can address Hatfill's claims that they mistreated his mysteriously shy girlfriend:
It is definitely not good to be the girlfriend of a person of interest. My girlfriend was locked inside an FBI car and hauled off to FBI headquarters and interrogated for hours, without once being told she has the right to leave any time she wished. Her requests for a lawyer were delayed and made difficult. Her purse, although not on the search warrant, was taken from her and its contents examined after the interrogation process while she was being driven back to her residence.

She was screamed at by FBI agents and told that the FBI had firm evidence that I had killed five innocent people. This was told to her by FBI agent Jennifer Grant and FBI agent Pamela Lane. Can you imagine that?

The FBI trumpets that I am not a suspect, and the woman I love is told the FBI -- told by the FBI that I am a murderer.

This is the life of a person of interest, Mr. Ashcroft. But that's not all. My girlfriend was told that she better take a polygraph examination and cooperate, or else. Her home checkbooks, computers, private papers and car were seized. As for her home, it was completely trashed, as is appropriate for the home of a girlfriend of a person of interest.

Some of her delicate pottery was smashed. The glass on a $3,000 painting was broken. This painting was wrapped in bubble wrap, by the way. Neatly stacked boxes awaiting shipment to her new home were ripped open, instead of opened with due regard to their contents.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have pictures of how FBI left this apartment, her apartment, which, at the time of the raid, was neatly prepared for a move to Louisiana, with all her belongings packed in nicely stacked boxes. This is one of the pictures.

I refuse to allow my girlfriend -- to this treatment, as the girlfriend of a person of interest. She is not here today. I love you. I will not state her name here. And I ask the news media, please, for common decency, if you know it, please leave her alone. She will not make a statement.

Of course, the big score for a journalist who wants to make a name for himself with this story would be to find Hatfill and his girlfriend, and get them on the record, up close and personal, about their treatment by the FBI. I mean, either this fellow is guilty of five murders and is the author of a plot which terrorized the whole country, cost us $2 billion, and was used by Colin Powell to justify attacking Iraq, or he's been the victim of a monstrous smear campaign. The public has a right to know which it is. It might also be interesting to see what kind of lifestyle Hatfill now enjoys, having supposedly been without his $150K/yr from the DOJ for the last eight months. Perhaps this will all have a happy ending and Hatfill will be shamed into tieing the knot, seeing as how his girlyfriend has presumably been making up the $150K/yr shortfall in their joint income for all this time -- perhaps by selling some of those $3,000 paintings that grace the walls of her lavish, sensuously oriental, ultra-feminine apartment:
Have at it, boys!
41 posted on 05/12/2003 9:28:49 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: The Great Satan
I think I read in one recent report that Hatfill has been living lately in the girlfriend's apartment.
43 posted on 05/12/2003 10:36:05 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: TrebleRebel; The Great Satan; aristeides; okie01; pokerbuddy0
Is this "find" in the area where Hatfill's fictional novel have someone dispose of incriminating material?

I like the "drain the pond" angle. < /gag> Sounds like a way to burn up some budget and accrue overtime pay.

44 posted on 05/12/2003 10:41:16 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: aristeides; The Great Satan
Ladies and gentlemen, we have pictures of how FBI left this apartment, her apartment, which, at the time of the raid, was neatly prepared for a move to Louisiana, with all her belongings packed in nicely stacked boxes.

Is it safe to assume the alleged 'she' didn't move to Louisiana based on your comment? I wonder what 'she' looks like.

45 posted on 05/12/2003 10:48:08 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Nita Nupress; thinden; Wallaby
Check out the Hatfill book info in #41.
46 posted on 05/12/2003 10:49:17 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: The Great Satan
And guess who sits at the bottom of this food chain?

_Jim; sinkspur; & poohbah?

47 posted on 05/12/2003 11:10:22 AM PDT by thinden
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To: pokerbuddy0
We'll just have to wait and see. I think far too much credence is given to Rosenberg's allegations. The feds didn't need her to point them in HF's direction. They were investigating many scientists and would have eventually got to him. Everyone keeps equating this with Richard Jewel, Ruby Ridge, Waco... This isn't the Reno Justice Department. This is probably the biggest case on Ashcroft's plate right now. I just don't see him putting it on the line to frame an innocent scientist.
49 posted on 05/12/2003 12:23:28 PM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: freeperfromnj
I think far too much credence is given to Rosenberg's allegations.

Her allegations, rather her "protrait" were important. She spoke privately with Senate staffers just before pressure was applied on the Justice Dept. In Hatfill's first speech he referred to her and her allegations - refuting allegations and querying why she would target him.

50 posted on 05/12/2003 12:36:49 PM PDT by Shermy
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