Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...

WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

[VMI70]

This past weekend, my son and I went on his troop's annual father-son hike. His troop is one of many in the Robert E. Lee Council of the Boy Scouts of America, which is headquartered in Richmond, VA.

On Sunday, during the church service at the end of the hike, it was announced that the Council directors had voted to change its name from The Robert E. Lee Council, which has been in use for many decades, to something else.

This morning, the news broke on the local radio station: WRVA 1140 AM, Richmond's Morning News with Jimmy Barrett.

[samuel_adams_us]

As well as he treated them with respect before he died as well. There was always ample food, heat and a roof over their head while they were in his care.

[CatoRenasci]

Thanks for the ping Brother Rat. It's very, very sad, but what can you expect these days. Even in Richmond!

Anyway, my best for New Market Day on Thursday! In my heart, I'll be marching down Letcher Avenue playing Dixie as we pass Virginia Mourning Her Dead.

[Grand Old Partisan]

He was a citizen of the United States and of Virginia.

[annyokie]

Thank you! This is excellent! I am sending it around.

[putupon]

Apologies if I took your comment wrong. The meddling Yankee leftists have been rattling our cages with more frequency as the the PC jihad increases in intensity and our nerves are a bit on edge.

putpon

Robt. E Lee Council Troop 713

[HELLRAISER II]

How about Robert E. Lee?

[iceskater]

As long as they don't name it after some of our "stellar lights" like Sa'ad El Amin, Chuck Richardson, Joe Morrissey - I could go on and on....

[samuel_adams_us]

I guess you forget the south set up their own government? Do you remember a president by the name of Jefferson Davis, How about one with the last name of Stephens?

[samuel_adams_us]

Good Old New Market, Woodstock, Strasburg, and Winchester. Our family drug store shut down there in Winchester back about 15 years ago after being in business for 227 years.

[drq]

How about Meriwether Lewis (1774 - 1809) and William Clark (1770 - 1838) Led a famous expedition to the Pacific ocean; both born in Virginia. Personally, I think they represent the spirit of the Boy Scouts better than General Lee. From a humble member of the Simon Kenton Council in Ohio.

[samuel_adams_us]

I can agree with that myself. Did you know that Merriweather Lewis was a cousin of Thomas Jefferson? Both related through their mothers? Merriweather was also related to Washington as well.

[Huck]

How about Robert E. Lee?

Well, now, you see I think they want to change the name to something else.

[WhiskeyPapa]

Whatever the movie version, Lee signed a renewal of his loyalty oath upon accepting promotion to Colonel in the United States Army, while he was already working with the rebels.

No record of Lee's oath as colonel exists, but he definitely pee'd all over this one:

"I, Robert E. Lee, appointed a Lieutenant Colonel of the Second Regt. of Cavalry in the Army of the United States, do solemnly swear, or affirm, that I will bear true allegiance to the United States of America, and that I will serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies or opposers whatsoever; and observe and obey the orders of the President of the United States, and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to the Rules and Articles for the government of the Armies of the United States."

Some of the neo-rebs will doubtless be along to muddy the waters, but it an historical fact that Lee took up arms for the rebel government while still under oath to the United States.

"According to paragraph 24 of the Regulations of the United States Army, 'No officer will be considered out of service on the tender of his resignation, until it shall have been duly accepted by the proper authority.' Paragraph 28 states that "in time of war, or with an army in the field, resignations shall take effect within thirty days of from the order of acceptance.' But Lee disregarded these restrictions. Between the posting of his resignation on April 20 and its acceptance on April 25, Lee drew his sword with remarkable alacrity." ("Lee Considered" by Alan Nolan, p. 39)

Lee met with rebel officials on April 20, well before his resignation was accepted.

Walt

[jgrubbs]

When Edmond Ruffin pulled the lanyard on one of the columbiads off Morris Island at 4:30 A.M. on Friday April 12, 1861, the "First Shot" of the War between the States.

You have to look at the events leading up to April 12, 1861. On Dec. 19, 1860, a convention of delegates were called to St. Andrew’s Hall in Charleston, S.C., to vote on secession. On that day, many issues were brought to the floor to be settled before the actual vote could occur. Among these issues were what to do with the federal military installations in South Carolina, particularly Forts Moultrie and Sumter. It was agreed that all federal property would have to be handed over to the government of South Carolina. Finally, on Dec. 20, 1860, the delegates voted by a count of 169-0 in favor of secession, and the union between South Carolina and other states of the United States was "hereby dissolved."

The South fired the first shot on a fort that was agreed to be handed over to the government of South Carolina almost 4 moths prior to the "First Shot".

[HELLRAISER II]

Whether it was right or wrong we have to remember that that's just how people thought back then. In the North and the South Walt, not just the South. It burns me up to see you and your crew alway's preaching about the South even though the North was just as guilty. I guess what bothers me most is the way they go about changing history to fit their P.C. conspiracy's.

[AdSimp]

Stonewall is a good in-yer-face replacement.

[LouD]

it's just a matter of time till we no longer teach our youth about those "evil men"

It's moving that way already. Ask a public school third or fourth grader who Martin Luther King was, then ask them about Jackson, Lee, Davis (or Grant or McClellan, for that matter) - Guess which one out of the above that they can identify.

You may find some high school kids who are sufficiently well read to be able to identify all of them, but not many. I'm not saying that they should ignore black history, because it is important - but it is important in the overall context of American history. By the time they are in middle school, every American child should be able to identify all of the above (and Du Sable, DuBois, and Sojourner Truth, for that matter) - but unfortunately many kids are getting a revisionist history that fails to place historical figures, events, and beliefs in historical context, and ignores important aspects of American history, to focus on historical trivia.

My daughter's third grade social(ist) studies text is a good example: They spent months talking about interesting, but ultimately historically irrelevant tribes of hunter-gatherers, and limited time talking about the Revolution or the Civil War. Needless to say, the curriculum gets lots of home augmentation to provide a more balanced view.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens were rebels. Sorry, I'm not going to help you re-fight the Civil War on this thread.

[Huck]

Good one!

[samuel_adams_us]

I am not fighting the civil war again and since I am related to the stephens character I just though I would bring him up.