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Robert E. Lee Boy Scout Council, Richmond, VA, to be Renamed. More PC for the Boy Scouts...
WRVA Radio ^ | 5/13/03 | VMI70

Posted on 05/13/2003 6:17:13 AM PDT by VMI70

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To: Investment Biker
Not only was Washington a slave owner

Your hate Dead Whitey Washington diatribe left out that he freed his slaves at death.

41 posted on 05/13/2003 6:57:38 AM PDT by putupon (There is nothing here to read right now)
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To: VMI70
I say call it the Taliban Chapter or the Saddam Hussein Chapter. Either way, the people who pushed to get the name changed were more than likely against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and like the Taliban and Saddam, are out to destroy the heritage of a group of people.
42 posted on 05/13/2003 6:59:00 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: razorback-bert; wardaddy; Mudboy Slim; Miss Marple; CatoRenasci; VA_Gentleman
Ping
43 posted on 05/13/2003 6:59:03 AM PDT by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: putupon
Washington willed that his slaves be freed upon Martha's death, but good point.
44 posted on 05/13/2003 6:59:18 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Robert Lee violated his soldier's oath to defend the Government and Constitution of the United States of America. He even renewed his oath of loyalty to the United States while already collaborating with the rebels.

In the "Gods and Generals" movie, Lee is shown accepting a commission from the rebel government in the uniform of a full colonel of the UNITED STATES Army. If not for the magnaminity of the Yankees he would surely have hung.

Walt

45 posted on 05/13/2003 7:00:44 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: stainlessbanner; annyokie; thatdewd; canalabamian; Sparta; treesdream; sc-rms; Tax-chick; ...
There is some great advise here. I wish I had seen this 30 years ago.

ROBERT E. LEE ON CHILD REARING

"In its broad and comprehensive sense, education embraces the physical, moral, and intellectual instruction of a child from infancy to manhood. Any system is imperfect which does not combine them all; and that is best which, while it thoroughly develops them, abases the coarse animal emotions of human nature and exalts the higher faculties and feelings. A child has everything to learn, and is more readily taught by having before it good examples to imitate, than by simple precepts. He should, therefore, as far as circumstances will permit, be encouraged to associate with his parents; for his heart must be affected, his feelings moved, as well as his mind expanded. He may be taught that it is criminal to steal, and sinful to lie, and yet be unable to apply this knowledge to the government of himself; and it will therefore be of no value to him unless the principle is confirmed into a habit.

"Obedience is the first requisite in family training. It should be made sincere and perfect, and to proceed as much from affection as a conviction of its necessity. To accomplish this, great prudence and the exercise of much patience are necessary. By firmness mixed with kindness, the child by repeated experience will learn that he is not to follow his first impulse, and that self-control, which even an infant can understand, is necessary to his comfort. Neither violence nor harshness should ever be used, and the parent must bear constantly in mind, that to govern his child, he must show him that he can control himself. One of the most common errors in the management of children is irregularity of behavior towards them. They are as skillful as pertinacious in their attempts to gratify their self will; at one time trying to evade authority, at another, to oppose it. If they once succeed, they are encouraged to persevere; and it is necessary for the parent to meet the first attempt with firmness, and not permit himself to be baffled either by evasion or resistance. Although a child may not yield to threats and may defy punishment, he cannot resist patient kindness and gentle admonition.

"The love of truth is equal in importance to habitual obedience. Every encouragement, even to the pardoning of offenses, should be given to its cultivation. Children are naturally truthful, and they should be accustomed to hear the truth always spoken; and candor, integrity, and confession of error, with a detestation of falsehood, dishonesty, and equivocation should be sedulously inculcated. A strict adherence to promises made to them is of the utmost importance as well as the removal of all temptation to misconduct. They should also be prepared and warned against its attacks.

"Sentiments of religion should be early impressed upon the minds of children by personal explanation and systematic instruction. As the intellect expands, its sacred truths will be comprehended and felt, and its motives and principles be strengthened and confirmed by practice and habit. An essential part of the education of youth is to teach them to serve themselves, and to impress upon them the fact that nothing good can be acquired in this world without labor, and that the very necessaries and comforts of life must be procured by earnest and regular exertion. They should also be taught to know that after having been reared and educated by their parents they should not expect them to further provide for them, and that their future subsistence and advancement must depend upon themselves.

"Parents sometimes commit the mistake of allowing their children after having reached the period of life when they ought to be engaged in making a livelihood, to rely upon them for support. This encourages them in injurious idleness, destroys that Spirit of self dependence which is necessary for their advancement in life, and causes them to appear so unreasonable as to depend upon them, after, having arrived at the age of being able to think and act for themselves.

"The choice of a profession is not of so much consequence as the manner in which it is pursued. If habits of self-control and self-denial have been acquired during education, the great object has been accomplished. Diligence and integrity in any useful pursuit of life will be sure to secure and will result from engaging in that business in which the generality of mankind are interested.

"What I have written is derived from my reflection and experience."

Robert E. Lee, 1867

46 posted on 05/13/2003 7:00:54 AM PDT by SCDogPapa (In Dixie Land I'll take my stand to live and die in Dixie)
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To: LouD
The revisionist evaluation of historical figures using contemporary standards is appalling - and far too many people lack sufficient historical knowledge to evaluate a complex figure like Lee in historical context.

What bothers me more than anything is the way politically correct decisions are made without knowledge. I think Walter Williams has a Confederate flag behind his desk, good for him. For me it stands for states rights, something destroyed in the 1860's, slavery would have disappeared without the violence as it did in most of the rest of the world.

47 posted on 05/13/2003 7:01:24 AM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: LouD
The revisionist evaluation of historical figures using contemporary standards is appalling - and far too many people lack sufficient historical knowledge to evaluate a complex figure like Lee in historical context.

Lee was called a traitor at the time and he was a traitor.

What is amazing and unique about the American experience of insurrection and rebellion is that the losers could get such favorable treatment for such inexcusable actions.

Walt

48 posted on 05/13/2003 7:02:39 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: jgrubbs
My Great-Great Grandmother Rebecca Henkel, Lebanon Church Virginia, once remarked that General Robert E Lee was the most handsome man she ever saw. She wrote in our family bible that the late general had character, integrity, and was fearless. To bad the trash trying to change the boy scouts will never be able to say the same thing about themselves.
49 posted on 05/13/2003 7:04:25 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: putupon
I never said I hated Washington. And yes I did, unfortunately, leave out the fact he freed his slaves. I admire Washington, Lee, Jefferson, and Lincoln. My comment was only meant as a historical observation. You ass/u/me that I was on a hate rant and you sir were in error. Do not be so quick to judgement.

Investment Biker
50 posted on 05/13/2003 7:05:30 AM PDT by Investment Biker
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If the Federal government tried to invade my state with force I would have taken up arms against them as well. I support our country and support our troops, but if the wrong person were in power and made our nation into a police state and tried usurp their power to control the people, I would have no problem with US citizens defending their homes and their states.

We encourage other countries to overthrow their governments, would you encourage U.S. citizens to overthrow our government if it ever got corrupt? What if we had Communist leaders running this country? The Democrats are working toward socialism and communism in this country, would you then support the right to stand up against the government?

51 posted on 05/13/2003 7:06:07 AM PDT by jgrubbs
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If you really want to rub it in bring up the fact that Robert E. Lee was not an American citizen.
52 posted on 05/13/2003 7:06:12 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: SCDogPapa
Lee did a lot of track covering. Consider these two statements:

"The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forebearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for 'perpetual union' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession." January 23, 1861

"All the South has ever desired is that the union, as formed by our founding fathers, should be preserved." Jan 5. 1866

They are pretty inconsistent.

Walt

53 posted on 05/13/2003 7:06:46 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: SCDogPapa
Thank you sir. What great words from our beloved Marse Robert. Lee is a great role model for our sons.
54 posted on 05/13/2003 7:07:49 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Whatever the movie version, Lee signed a renewal of his loyalty oath upon accepting promotion to Colonel in the United States Army, while he was already working with the rebels.
55 posted on 05/13/2003 7:08:22 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: VMI70; P8riot; jla; iceskater; AdSimp; cherry_bomb88; Twodees; yankhater
OK. I'll cast my vote for Stonewall Jackson.
56 posted on 05/13/2003 7:09:46 AM PDT by sultan88 ("But after I've been cryin' all night, the sun is cold and the new day seems old")
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To: jgrubbs
now,now--the South fired the first shots.
57 posted on 05/13/2003 7:10:16 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Huck
How about George Washington?

The public has supported the BSA in it's efforts to keep Gay Scoutmasters out, now BSA caves to this kind of crap.

Just name it after some Sodomite for all I care.

58 posted on 05/13/2003 7:12:09 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Was he not a citizen of the southern states at that time?
59 posted on 05/13/2003 7:12:28 AM PDT by samuel_adams_us
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To: jgrubbs
The rebels fought for slavery, an abomination as bad as Communisim.
60 posted on 05/13/2003 7:12:47 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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