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Artist Paints Fake 'Low Flying Planes' Sign Near Ground Zero
| May 13, 2003
Posted on 05/13/2003 5:12:58 PM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29
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Arrest this guy for illegal graffiti.
posted on 05/13/2003 8:31:54 PM PDT
I took the sign as a statement of fact, not a joke or a hurtful comment. Was it meant to be funny?
posted on 05/13/2003 8:31:55 PM PDT
by Pan_Yans Wife
(Lurking since 2000.)
"It's disturbing but I guess it wouldn't be art if it didn't disturb you in some way," said real estate agent Vanessa Low.
When I was a young boy, I thought art was supposed to inspire people.
Then I went to college and I was told that art was supposed to piss you off, confuse you, make you act like you "get it," and pretend to understand art's significance.
Then I graduated from college...with a degree in commercial art.
I still think the rest of those bums at college are full of $h!t.
I'm no longer a young boy, yet I believe that art is supposed to inspire people.
And anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell something.
posted on 05/13/2003 8:53:22 PM PDT
by Jay D. Dyson
(Islam: We're a religion of peace and we'll kill you to prove it!)
"If you take a low humor view of it, that's really in your mind, not mine," said artist James Peterson...
Might it be in his "mind" if the artist found himself tossed down a few flights of stairs??
Of that I would take a "high humor" view...
posted on 05/13/2003 9:01:05 PM PDT
(Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
[I]n fact, I talked my coworker pal to hit the streets with me after lunch to look for distraught women to take advantage of!
Those women were distraught because some of their fellow New Yorkers had just been crushed to death, and the victims' bones, intestines and body parts were scattered all over Ground Zero. These women might have known some victims who had their heads crushed, hands or limbs severed, and who may have died slow, agonizing deaths. Many ladies were probably searching for their loved ones, not knowing if their husbands, brothers, sisters, etc. were dead or still trapped in the rubble or at a hospital.
And you were thinking of scoring.
A good sand blasting or spray painting would help the situation.
posted on 05/13/2003 9:19:33 PM PDT
Tourist Guy! Haven't seen him in a while. Anyway, that "low flying planes" joke is cold and sick. Only an idiot would make that and not expect everyone to be offended. Art? Yeah right.
posted on 05/13/2003 9:26:49 PM PDT
(The Red Sox= 2003 World Champs, Pedro and Nomar= World Series MVPs, Me= forever hopeful)
To: Pan_Yans Wife
I took the sign as a statement of fact
Apparently you have missed the point. That sign is speaking to the aircraft that crashed into the WTC and killed 3000 people.
posted on 05/14/2003 4:41:52 AM PDT
(I love being right)
I lived in nyc and was cracking jokes about it before noon on 9-11.
Before noon? So, are you saying that having lived in New York gives you an excuse to be a complete moron? I don't buy it, somehow.
posted on 05/14/2003 5:37:21 AM PDT
I talked my coworker pal to hit the streets with me after lunch to look for distraught women to take advantage of!
How charming and gallant
Look, I was kidding! People react to different situations differently. I wisecrack through almost every situation that's tense - it breaks the tension and adds some perspective.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:20:57 AM PDT
To: Dog Gone
Well, it is insensitive but a lot of humor is hurtful. It's just expressed in a context that is acceptable. Sometimes people cross the line. I lived in nyc about 1/3 mile from the former WTC, and amidst the atrocity, I still found stuff like Gilbert Godfried's 'I need a direct flight from NYC to LA' joke very very funny.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:25:17 AM PDT
To: Dialup Llama
People react differently to different situations. Some people were more shaken than others. Some people react to tragedy with wisecracks and humor.
By the way, the line about hitting the streets for distraught women was a joke.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:26:43 AM PDT
Humor is a great way to release stress - it's touchy and its easy to say something wrong, but laughter releases stress. I understand what you are saying.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:32:52 AM PDT
To: A Navy Vet
It may be clever, but it's not f**king funny.
No, I think its pretty funny. It's just a matter of taste.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:33:53 AM PDT
"...By the way, the line about hitting the streets for distraught women was a joke...."
Could you post the definition of "joke" --- and explain how it was a joke?
posted on 05/14/2003 10:38:53 AM PDT
To: Genesis defender
Relax, I was just kidding. And for what it's worth, I'm always thinking of scoring!
9-11 was an atrocity, for sure. But that doesn't mean we can't cope with tragedy with humor. It's as old as time itself.
And also, I lived in NYC for 33 years, but I am not a mark for the myth and legend that are beginning to grow around 9-11. There was a ton of looting going on downtown - the primary suspects were some members of the NYPD themselves!! Believe it or not!
NYPD pulled it's cops out of the towers so they wouldn't get crushed, while the FDNY sent their men in to their certain deaths.
Do you know why NYC needs new firemen? One reason is that over 300 died on 9-11. Another reason is that a record number retired after January 1, 2002. Seems they all had a ton of overtime in the last 1/3 of 2001 (predictable) and their deal is that their pension is based on their income in their last full year of service (2001), which in many cases was 33-50% more money than they usually make because of their crazy OT in the post 9-11, Ground Zero work.
They are screwing the city out of a lot of money. Three cheers for our selfless heroes of 9-11!!!!! Hip, hip, hooray!
I know several women who tell stories of firemen at bars milking 9-11 for all it was worth, looking for what is colloquially called a 'mercy f*@k.
' Now that guy's behavior is far worse than cracking a few jokes to release some stress, I hope we can agree.
It's easier for some people to believe in their heroes with their shiny badges, but the truth is that the men and women of 9-11 tend to fall somewhat shy of that ideal.
I honor the heroes of 9-11, the police, firemen, and EMTs, and others. But the truth is that many of their rank fell well short of a heroic ideal, both on and after 9-11. Painting them all with a super heroic brush is as intellectually dishonest as painting them all as lowlifes.
The truth is that they are human beings, some behaving some heroic than others, and some behaving more criminally than others, and everything in between.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:48:39 AM PDT
Many NYCers are complete morons, but I'm not. Releasing stress with humor isn't new.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:49:21 AM PDT
He paints well, but he thinks poorly.
posted on 05/14/2003 10:54:24 AM PDT
by man of Yosemite
("When a man decides to do something everyday, that's about when he stops doing it.")
Did you live in NY on 09-11-01?
posted on 05/14/2003 10:56:36 AM PDT
"No, I think its pretty funny. It's just a matter of taste."
Whatever. Make lite of it if you want, but why should the relatives of those who perished have to see it on the side of a wall? I agree with an earlier post, a couple of glass jars of paint would make this discussion moot.
I lived on Prince Street in NYC, about 1/3 of a mile from the former WTC. I grew up on Prince Street also. I lived in manhattan for over 33 years, and I was there on September 11, 2001.
posted on 05/14/2003 11:13:18 AM PDT
To: A Navy Vet
I don't disagree with you. I agree that it is insensitive, but that a lot of humor is insensitive and hurtful. To me, there is a difference between a wisecrack or joke (Gilbert Godfried's 9-11 joke is a riot!) and putting up a sign that victim's families have to see.
Personally I would just as soon see the message painted over like you said. That being said, I think there is a place for humor even in tragic situations.
posted on 05/14/2003 11:15:54 AM PDT
It's hard for me to find anything funny about that day. I'll admit, I've lost much of my old sense of humor since then.
All I remember is the worry about how and when I would ever get home and a numbness waiting and wondering what horrors would happen each moment.
I have read other posts you've made over these years here, so your original post about finding that day funny surprised me.
I know some people handle stress with humor. I'll assume you are one such person and can only wish you the best.
posted on 05/14/2003 11:34:01 AM PDT
I'm not a monster! ;-) To say I found 9-11 funny isn't what I meant to convey at all. But I do handle stress with humor (and have for as long as I can remember), but at the same time recognize that it isn't a blanket license to say anything for a laugh in a time of crisis.
If I go to a memorial service and crack witty remarks, that would make me pretty much a jerk.
If I go to a 9-11 widow and orphan and crack wise about the atrocity, that would make me a lowlife beyond compare.
But me going to a tense friend on 9-11 at my office and saying "Hey, I bet there are a lot of distraught women on the street right now looking for some comfort. Let's MOVE!!" in anticipation of getting him to crack a smile and get a little less tense (I assure you he knew I was kidding, and I assure you he was thankful someone lightened a terrible day, even for a few seconds) isn't monstrous at all.
So please don't think I found anything funny about 9-11. That being said, I think there is a value in making jokes in times of crisis.
posted on 05/14/2003 11:44:33 AM PDT
Someone please find this guy, take him to a FDNY or NYPD station in lower Manhattan and allow nature to take it's course.
posted on 05/15/2003 9:19:39 AM PDT
by Mr. Silverback
(No Clintons in office, not one, ever again.)
I'm not against humor, per se..
But before noon on 9-11??? Think about it...
posted on 05/15/2003 1:51:03 PM PDT
Funny how the article never calls it vandalism.
posted on 05/15/2003 1:55:42 PM PDT
(NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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