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U.S. Vigilantes Test Drones on Mexican Border
WashingtonPost.com ^ | Tuesday, May 13, 2003; 7:40 PM | Deborah Tedford

Posted on 05/13/2003 6:33:51 PM PDT by Reagan is King

Reuters Tuesday, May 13, 2003; 7:40 PM

By Deborah Tedford

MONTERREY, Mexico (Reuters) - An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone" reconnaissance planes on the U.S.-Mexican border to monitor illegal immigrants entering the United States in lonely desert areas.

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group, said on Tuesday the group has been testing two Unmanned Aerial Vehicles for about a month and plans to have a fleet making passes over the border by early July.

"We want to show how the application of this technology can solve the border problem," Spencer told Reuters.

Police and residents say they are aware of the drones, similar to unmanned U.S. military aircraft used in Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants cross the border in search of work every year. Three vigilante groups, some of them armed, have sprung up in Arizona in the last three years to monitor the border and hand over any illegal immigrants they find to U.S. Border Patrol agents.

The groups say U.S. authorities allow too many Mexicans to flout U.S. immigration law. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, some have also said unrestricted immigration poses an unacceptable security risk.

Area residents say the drones invade their privacy and foster poor cross-border relations.

"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: americanborderpatrol; border; domesticdrones; drones; dronesabp; dronesbp; dronesus; immigrantlist; mexican; patriots; vigilante
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"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Who gives a rats rump. Don't sneak across illegally and they won't need drones.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

This guy doesn't deserve to mayor of the town dump with statements like that. Are the liberals moving to Arizona?

1 posted on 05/13/2003 6:33:51 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Reagan is King
anyone have a sign on for Wash Post?? Or can the poster post the story instead of excerpt??
2 posted on 05/13/2003 6:38:06 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: Reagan is King
Are the liberals moving to Arizona?--methinks the "undocumented immigrants" are voting--
3 posted on 05/13/2003 6:40:21 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: steplock
No LA Times or Washington Post articles may be posted, per lawsuit againt FR by those two rags.
4 posted on 05/13/2003 6:41:24 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Reagan is King
Excellent. By doing this, we all now know who the pro-Mexican, anti-American sympathizers are.
5 posted on 05/13/2003 6:42:15 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Travis McGee
ping.
6 posted on 05/13/2003 6:42:34 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Reagan is King; holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; ...
Ray Borane is one of those "Americans of Mexican descent". He's also a moron. Methinks he protestet too much (like maybe there's a bit of chicanery going on in the mayor's office.... just like there was corruption in his brother's former office ... he used to be a corrupt judge, and now he's an honest convict.)

Here's the entire article from Reuters.

U.S. Vigilantes Test Drones on Mexican Border

Tue May 13, 2003 07:40 PM ET

By Deborah Tedford

MONTERREY, Mexico (Reuters) - An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone" reconnaissance planes on the U.S.-Mexican border to monitor illegal immigrants entering the United States in lonely desert areas.

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group, said on Tuesday the group has been testing two Unmanned Aerial Vehicles for about a month and plans to have a fleet making passes over the border by early July.

"We want to show how the application of this technology can solve the border problem," Spencer told Reuters.

Police and residents say they are aware of the drones, similar to unmanned U.S. military aircraft used in Iraq.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican immigrants cross the border in search of work every year. Three vigilante groups, some of them armed, have sprung up in Arizona in the last three years to monitor the border and hand over any illegal immigrants they find to U.S. Border Patrol agents.

The groups say U.S. authorities allow too many Mexicans to flout U.S. immigration law. Since the Sept. 11 attacks, some have also said unrestricted immigration poses an unacceptable security risk.

Area residents say the drones invade their privacy and foster poor cross-border relations.

"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist.

"BORDER HAWK"

The vigilantes say they plan to outfit each UAV with a global positioning device to pinpoint migrants, and then forward hose coordinates to the Border Patrol.

Dubbed the Border Hawk, the $5,000 drone has a wingspan of 5-1/2 feet and flies at an altitude of 300-400 feet -- under the 500 feet mandated for aircraft that need certification by the Federal Aviation Administration.

The craft are made by members of the vigilante group with experience in electronics, Spencer said.

Mario Villarreal, spokesman for the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection in Washington, said: "We appreciate the community's efforts in notifying us of suspicious activities... We encourage them to call the Border Patrol or law enforcement but those efforts should be within the law."

He refused to comment directly on the vigilantes or their planned use of drones.

8 posted on 05/13/2003 6:53:43 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: steplock
anyone have a sign on for Wash Post?? Or can the poster post the story instead of excerpt??

See post #8

9 posted on 05/13/2003 6:56:15 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Heh, like the tag line.
10 posted on 05/13/2003 6:56:23 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: Tancredo Fan
"The Mexican populations along the border are indignant," said Miguel Escobar, a Mexican Foreign Ministry official based in Arizona

So are the American populations. But for a different reason. And while we're at it...why is a Mexican Foreign Ministry official "based" in Arizona? Funny, I thought the Mexican government was located in...Mexico.

Ray Borane, mayor of the border town of Douglas, Ariz., said the group's activities are racist

Yeah, that's right Ray, crime prevention is racist. Having a border is racist. Having a country is racist. Anything that smacks of resistance to an act of aggression by a foreign government or criminal is racist, right Ray?

Under Ray's formula, America = racist = no right to exist.

Good to see he's been hanging' wid Jesse.

11 posted on 05/13/2003 7:03:06 PM PDT by Regulator (Just remember, when the terrorists come for you, it's racist to resist)
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To: Reagan is King
212th Signal Bn Marching Out


12 posted on 05/13/2003 7:03:39 PM PDT by steplock ( http://www.spadata.com)
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To: Reagan is King
Vigil-freakin-antes? now that's journalism...
13 posted on 05/13/2003 7:10:11 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
An Arizona vigilante group is testing homemade "drone"

Glenn Spencer, head of the American Border Patrol vigilante group,

Vigilantes, Vigilates, and more Vigilantes. I wonder if this reporter has an agenda? (sarcasm)

14 posted on 05/13/2003 7:18:59 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Reagan is King
Vigilantes - my ass!

American Border Patrol observes, records, and reports. They are a "neighborhood watch" for the border area. They don't intercept, detain, or otherwise interfere with the border invaders or the Border Patrol.

If they're "vigilantes" then so is every neighborhood watch group in America.

15 posted on 05/13/2003 7:38:17 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Regulator
And while we're at it...why is a Mexican Foreign Ministry official "based" in Arizona? Funny, I thought the Mexican government was located in...Mexico.

Seriously? They have these things call consulates, you see, which are diplomatic offices. We have American Consulates in other nations.

16 posted on 05/13/2003 7:47:52 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: walkingman
You can take that kind of talk and get the hell out of here. Post something productive, or shut up.

Nobody here condones that kind of behavior, and talk like that will probably earn you a visit from your local LEO.

Think first, post second.

17 posted on 05/13/2003 7:54:26 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: walkingman
Hey punk, I never said anything about this not being a problem. YOU are the one alluding to murder. Offer a realistic (or even reasonably intelligent - I know it'll be a stretch) post, and you'll find that people will debate you back intelligently.

But act like sneakypete, and be labeled for the whacko that you appear to be.

19 posted on 05/13/2003 8:03:59 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: Tancredo Fan
This is a great idea actually..

Amateur electronics has already made great headway in things such as GPS navigation of RC aircraft and live video.

You would be surprised what someone from the DPRG, or other well organized robotics group could do with a PIC Microcontroller, gyro, accelerometer, GPS and other off the shelf electronics items.

This is completely viable, relatively inexpensive and at this point, well within the realm of amateur's.

20 posted on 05/13/2003 8:08:27 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Plow a 100 meter death strip, and mine it.
21 posted on 05/13/2003 8:08:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: walkingman
Whatever, whacko. Enjoy your time with Bubba, when it comes. Or Jose, if you believe in Karma.
23 posted on 05/13/2003 8:13:15 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: walkingman
No, it's not a white flag. It's the unwillingness to enter a pointless debate with an idiot whose best solution is to talk about murder. And "spelling it out" is an overstatement, as I have seen previous posts of yours.
25 posted on 05/13/2003 8:18:04 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; HiJinx; Carry_Okie; FITZ; JackelopeBreeder; ...
ping
26 posted on 05/13/2003 8:21:04 PM PDT by madfly
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To: Travis McGee
LIKE THIS!
28 posted on 05/13/2003 8:26:02 PM PDT by Major_Risktaker ("No Risk, No Reward")
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To: Reagan is King
Another FReeper made the statement. I borrowed it.
29 posted on 05/13/2003 8:27:22 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: Spiff
#15 - Bump!
30 posted on 05/13/2003 8:27:58 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (to hell with the spyplane - AC130 gunship)
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To: madfly
We apparently have a duplicate post on this elsewhere. Minus some of the more violent suggestions...
31 posted on 05/13/2003 8:28:31 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." < Click! > "Release to detonate." Oops...)
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To: walkingman
Don't even try to go there. Actually, personal attacks and deflection is more your bag.

I never said there wasn't a problem that needed to be fixed. I only called a fool out who was running his mouth. Period.

Illegal immigration is huge. So was getting rid of Saddam. But you can talk like billy-bad-ass all you want, and it won't accomplish jack. Do something productive. And if your idea of productive is to start killing the invaders, like I said - enjoy your stay in the graybar Hilton.

32 posted on 05/13/2003 8:30:11 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: The Coopster
The truth is there is a group called humane Borders that leave water for the illegal entrants. Problem is, by the time they drink the water, it is HOT and does them no good; so in essence, it DOES poison them.

We got more than a few that had to be dialyzed or found dead from dehydration.

33 posted on 05/13/2003 8:31:22 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Jhoffa_; JackelopeBreeder
Actually, ABP already has the Border Hawk operational. It was demonstrated successfully within the last two weeks.

RC airplane, onboard GPS nav, video downlink to satellite transceiver, easily posted to the Internet...

Take it from there...!
34 posted on 05/13/2003 8:31:55 PM PDT by HiJinx (The right person, in the right place, at the right time...)
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To: DLfromthedesert
Well that should make walkingnerd jump for joy.....

I know that this is a problem that is huge, and getting worse all the time. I really feel for the people on the border (I'm in the Midwest, and don't have to be on the frontline). And I don't know what the right answer is - maybe Travis Mcgee's suggestions of a mine strip is close, but still unrealistic. We've got something like 26,000 miles of border in the US. I think maybe drones is something to look into.

35 posted on 05/13/2003 8:36:30 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: JackelopeBreeder

More on the drones: (different but related articles)

Border watch takes to the air

Arizona delegation seeks drones for border patrol

37 posted on 05/13/2003 8:41:13 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: HiJinx
Just a few facts about Border Hawk.

The bird is approximately three feet long with a six foot wing span. It has plenty of lift and power and can take off and land in a very short space. If there is at least a moderate breeze, it can be made to hover over a chosen spot just by turning into the wind and adjusting the throttle. It can remain airborne up to 90 minutes with the external tanks mounted.

The payload bay can carry either a standard video camera or an infrared camera for night work.

The video is transmitted instantaneously to the ground terminal and can then be ported directly over to the satellite terminal for live streaming over the internet.

If Glenn ever releases better photos of the bird, that inscription next to the camera port says: SMILE!
38 posted on 05/13/2003 8:43:24 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." < Click! > "Release to detonate." Oops...)
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To: walkingman
Interesting reply. I assume you have as many years in the healthcare field as she does? An expert on desert survival perhaps? Drinking hot water when one is already dehydrated and on the verge of heat stroke is a quick way of pushing the body temperature beyond max and ending up as buzzard food.
40 posted on 05/13/2003 8:55:40 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." < Click! > "Release to detonate." Oops...)
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To: Spiff; Texas_Jarhead; Missouri
I noticed there's a funny response to the author of this article by Glenn Spencer on the front page at www.americanpatrol.com:

"GLENN SPENCER TO REUTERS: The day you fire Deborah Tedford is the day I grant another interview to Reuters."

Border Hawk Now a Vigilante* Reuters Says ABP Takes Law Into Its Own Hands

41 posted on 05/13/2003 8:56:49 PM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: walkingman
No, you wake the F up. Go read the rules for posting here as it pertains to violence. That was my one and only point to you, and my only problem with you, other than the fact that you apparently get off by being rude.

Good night, and good luck. At your rate, you'll be suspended before long, anyway.

42 posted on 05/13/2003 8:58:45 PM PDT by The Coopster
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To: walkingman
Your lack of manners combined with your misinformation equals a complete waste of bandwidth!
44 posted on 05/13/2003 9:01:45 PM PDT by madfly
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To: walkingman
Well this woman you've been so rude to works in a hospital in Tucson, where they bring these aliens, some whose lives were not saved by the high temperature of the water they drank. Spend a day in the ER in mid-July.
47 posted on 05/13/2003 9:05:49 PM PDT by madfly
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To: walkingman
Heat stroke is a very real danger in Arizona. There is no appreciable humidity; sweat evaporates instantaneously and you don't even notice how much you're losing.

Ever walk across hot beach sand? That's a pleasure compared to walking barefoot on open ground in the Arizona desert. One minute will blister you through the hardest callouses and leave you unable to walk. I found out the hard way.

Ground temperature can easily reach 150. Same with water in a sealed container. Push body temperature beyond 107, especially when already depleted of water and electrolytes, and you're meat.
48 posted on 05/13/2003 9:12:36 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." < Click! > "Release to detonate." Oops...)
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To: Reagan is King
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49 posted on 05/13/2003 9:15:23 PM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle!!)
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