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Democrats....Bush Key on Assault Weapons
Associated Press - Las Vegas Sun.com ^ | May 14, 2003 | Jim Abrams

Posted on 05/14/2003 2:32:06 PM PDT by Godebert

By JIM ABRAMS

ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) -

President Bush should take the lead in overcoming resistance within his own party to extending an assault weapons ban due to expire next year, Democrats said Wednesday.

"If the bill dies we will lay it at the president's doorstep," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said a day after House Majority Leader Tom DeLay told reporters that the 1994 law banning the manufacture of 19 types of common military-style assault weapons would not be renewed.

Schumer said the gun bill would be an issue in the 2004 election, a development that could pose problems for Democrats who represent districts with strong gun rights sentiment. The assault ban vote was also a campaign topic in 1994, the year Republicans recaptured the House after spending 40 years in the minority.

Bush, taking a position at odds with the National Rifle Association, has voiced support for extending the ban, and White House spokesman Ari Fleischer on Wednesday said that support would carry weight in Congress.

"This is a matter that the House has to work out, of course, by listening to the will of its members, but the president's position is clear on it," Fleischer said. "When the president states his position like that, it helps get the message to the Congress."

Fleischer would not say whether Bush would pressure DeLay to bring such a bill up for a vote. DeLay, R-Texas, on Tuesday indicated that there would be no effort to renew the current law before it expires on Sept. 13, 2004. "The votes in the House are not there to reauthorize it," he said.

"The real question is will the president weigh in and ask the leaders to schedule a vote," said Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., who as a senior adviser to President Clinton played a key role in guiding the 1994 legislation through Congress.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; antigun; assaultweaponsban; awb; bang; banglist; billofrights; bush; constitution; gungrabbers; oathofoffice
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Unless Bush reverses his un-Constitutional and un-American position on this issue, he will not receive my vote. I'll vote Constitution Party again.
1 posted on 05/14/2003 2:32:07 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert
This is a firestorm issue, and one Bush needs to consider carefully before he commits. It can't hurt him politically to support it; he can't be trusted on gun issues as it is. But a White House rally behind Charles Schumer & Co. will end his appeal to the gun-owning Right. And it will force gun owners to choose their "conservatives" much more cautiously in the future.
2 posted on 05/14/2003 2:37:15 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Godebert
Unless Bush reverses his un-Constitutional and un-American position on this issue, he will not receive my vote. I'll vote Constitution Party again.

What an idiot. President Bush can't sign a bill that does not reach his desk. It won't pass the House. I would much rather have Bush in the White House than any of the alternatives.

Perhaps you like cutting off your nose to spite your face. In your case it might even be an improvement.

3 posted on 05/14/2003 2:37:49 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: *bang_list
The gun grabber quotes are not balanced with those
from any pro-2A organization. AP crapola *bang...
4 posted on 05/14/2003 2:40:17 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Godebert
The assualt weapons ban is popular amongst the mainstream. What we want here is a removal of the ban while Bush retains his approval ratings. Thus, Bush should voice support for removal of the ban and let Delay block the bill in the House. When Democrats cry for Bush to break the deadlock, Bush should fire back "Learn to respect the independence of the various branches of government." The net result: Assault weapon ban is removed, Bush remains popular with the people.
5 posted on 05/14/2003 2:42:43 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: IronJack
This is a firestorm issue, and one Bush needs to consider carefully before he commits.

Bears repeating.

I can assure the Republican Party that my vote will go elsewhere based merely on this issue.

Take heed Party lurkers!

6 posted on 05/14/2003 2:42:49 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: jagrmeister
correction: "voice support for continuation of the ban"
7 posted on 05/14/2003 2:43:25 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: Godebert
"If the bill dies we will lay it at the president's doorstep," Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y

So will I; I'll vote for him, donate to his campaign and get all my friends to vote for Bush :)

8 posted on 05/14/2003 2:44:03 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Paleo Conservative
"What an idiot. President Bush can't sign a bill that does not reach his desk. It won't pass the House. I would much rather have Bush in the White House than any of the alternatives."

Sorry, but if Bush puts ANY PRESSURE FOR PASSAGE AT ALL on the Congress on this issue, I WILL NOT support him in the next election. I would rather have someone I "know" is the enemy than someone who I think is an ally that then stabs me in the back (see France).

9 posted on 05/14/2003 2:44:07 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Godebert
did Ari really say that? Keeping republicans feet to the fire is a 24 7 a day job if he did.
10 posted on 05/14/2003 2:44:14 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Centurion2000
So will I; I'll vote for him, donate to his campaign and get all my friends to vote for Bush :)


BUMP
11 posted on 05/14/2003 2:44:47 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Godebert; All
Cross-link:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911200/posts
The RKBA War-- 2 weeks of links ( AWB and more )
various FR links | 05-14-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
12 posted on 05/14/2003 2:46:06 PM PDT by backhoe (My Guns Protect Your Freedom...)
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To: GingisK
It requires some sophistication to understand how the assault weapons ban can expire while Bush can support its continuation. It requires that you accept the fact that political dialogue is structured to meet an end and is used to mislead the public for its own benefit. Either you understand how the game is played or you don't.
13 posted on 05/14/2003 2:46:37 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: Wonder Warthog
Bush should support the continuation of the ban.
Tom Delay should oppose the ban and let it expire.
That is how it will work and that will be a policy and political win.
14 posted on 05/14/2003 2:47:45 PM PDT by jagrmeister
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To: Godebert
I hope the ban dies
15 posted on 05/14/2003 2:47:59 PM PDT by The Wizard (Saddamocrats are enemies of America, treasonous everytime they speak)
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To: jagrmeister
Bush should support the continuation of the ban.
Tom Delay should oppose the ban and let it expire.
That is how it will work and that will be a policy and political win.



Note: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/911085/posts? Washington Post article...

The Republican-controlled House will not renew the federal ban on Uzis and other semiautomatic weapons, a key leader said yesterday, dealing a significant blow to the campaign to clamp down on gun sales nationwide.

House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) said most House members are willing to let the ban expire next year. "The votes in the House are not there" to continue the ban, he told reporters.

His spokesman, Stuart Roy, said, "We have no intention of bringing it up" for a vote.
16 posted on 05/14/2003 2:51:14 PM PDT by deport
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To: The Wizard
They ought to start it in the Senate, at the bottom of the agenda. And force a real filibuster. Make the Dems decide between two sacred cows.
17 posted on 05/14/2003 2:51:40 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: Godebert
You can tell by the quote from Emanuel that the dems have figured out Bush is playing this to screw 'em and take another issue off the table. They're scrambling to find a way to hold him responsible when this thing fails to pass. That's why Ari's putting forth this falderal about what a "strong message" Bush has already sent. What's gonna happen is this thing will die in Congress, the Dems will try to blame Bush he'll respond by criticizing them for making the bill unpassable, he'll then be able to stick them with their favorite charge (rolling back 8 years of "Clinton progress") and not only is this issue taken off the table the GOP gets the last laugh on it.

It's good to have a President that grock's politics again, it's like watching Lombardi coach.
18 posted on 05/14/2003 2:52:53 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: jagrmeister
"Bush should support the continuation of the ban. Tom Delay should oppose the ban and let it expire. That is how it will work and that will be a policy and political win."

Re-read what I said. There is a whole world of difference between Bush "saying" he supports extension, and actively pressuring the Congress to pass it. If your scenario plays out, then I have no problem--but if Bush does ANY "armtwisting" in favor of extension, then he has LOST MY VOTE.

19 posted on 05/14/2003 2:54:49 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: jagrmeister
It requires some sophistication to understand how the assault weapons ban can expire while Bush can support its continuation. It requires that you accept the fact that political dialogue is structured to meet an end and is used to mislead the public for its own benefit. Either you understand how the game is played or you don't.

This was very well said, and should be repeated.

20 posted on 05/14/2003 2:55:59 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Godebert
Hey I tried that in '92. Look what it got me, 8 years of Bill & Hillary.

No way will this bill reach his desk. He's telling the house and senate to kill it quickly and quietly.

Change comes from within the party. Not by going third party.

Semper Fi
21 posted on 05/14/2003 2:56:11 PM PDT by dd5339 (Lookout Texas, here we come!)
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To: Godebert
this is bush playing both sides of the fence. This way he can satify the liberal soccer moms because he will not lift a finger to make it reach his desk.

Democrats are a joke anyways, why listen let alone respect that political party?
22 posted on 05/14/2003 2:58:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: jagrmeister
Ronald Reagan accomplished a great deal while being honest about his views. There is no reason why Bush v1.0 and Bush v2.0 can't do the same.

"W" either believes what he says on guns, or isn't courageous enough to say what he really thinks. Either way, it's not very recommending.

After Clinton, I've had more than enough of politicians who care more about poll numbers than truth.
23 posted on 05/14/2003 2:59:55 PM PDT by xdem
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To: Godebert
If Bush takes a passive role, pays lip service to this abominable law while letting it die in Congress, I will understand and can accept this weaselly behavior if it does indeed result in the death of the hideous, ineffective and unconstitutional AW ban. Strategery and politics require strange tactics sometimes, the proof is in the outcome.

However, if Bush caves and actively campaigns for the AW ban, and pressures the House to pass it, I will lose most of my respect for the man even though he's been a great President.

Firestorm issue indeed. President Bush, take my advice as one of your loyal supporters: you DO NOT want your name or your support associated with the renewal or strengthening of this law! You'll lose your base, and even if you do get reelected you'll have a Presidency built on the sand. Be a man and reject this bill! You'll be all the stronger for it! Who cares if Feinstein and Schumer pitch a fit? They will anyway! For Christ sake, they pitched a fit because you visited the aircraft carrier! They will pitch a fit if you have eggs for breakfast! Let the AW ban die!

24 posted on 05/14/2003 3:00:59 PM PDT by Sender
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To: Jim Robinson
It ain't over till it's over.
25 posted on 05/14/2003 3:02:10 PM PDT by Lazamataz (In Soviet Union, all your us are belong to base!)
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To: Godebert
Unless Bush reverses his un-Constitutional and un-American position on this issue, he will not receive my vote. I'll vote Constitution Party again.

Good for you. That Constitution Party is gaining a few votes each election cycle. By 2050, they may even reach 100,000 nationwide!

26 posted on 05/14/2003 3:13:12 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: xdem
Reagan didn't have friendly majorities to work with and the Dems weren't nearly so intransigent back then. He was in a situation that was less conducive to bluffing and required a lot more negotiation. Different times require different tactics.
27 posted on 05/14/2003 3:13:44 PM PDT by discostu (A cow don't make ham)
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To: Godebert
I'll vote Constitution Party again.

VOMIT

28 posted on 05/14/2003 3:14:18 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Paleo Conservative
Even the new president of the NRA says this is a tempest in a teapot, egged on by extremist.

The NRA is not the LEAST bit worried about this "bill."
29 posted on 05/14/2003 3:15:32 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: IronJack
This is a firestorm issue, and one Bush needs to consider carefully before he commits. It can't hurt him politically to support it; he can't be trusted on gun issues as it is. But a White House rally behind Charles Schumer & Co. will end his appeal to the gun-owning Right. And it will force gun owners to choose their "conservatives" much more cautiously in the future.

He has already done all of that.

30 posted on 05/14/2003 3:20:23 PM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle!!)
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To: Godebert
When the president states his position like that, it helps get the message to the Congress."


And it sends a message to the millions of members of the NRA. Good way to LOOSE an election.
31 posted on 05/14/2003 3:22:32 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: jagrmeister
The assualt weapons ban is popular amongst the mainstream.

Maybe mainstream liberals but, not the people who put him there.

32 posted on 05/14/2003 3:22:32 PM PDT by thepitts (Hell hath no fury like vested interest masquerading as a moral principle!!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Perhaps you like cutting off your nose to spite your face. In your case it might even be an improvement.



Or perhaps we are people of concience and will not support what we think is an illegal action by the government. The conservative party "base" is made up of several issue driven groups. NRA and gun owners are just one and one of the largest of this group.

Piss off enough groups and you LOOSE the base. No politician can expect to win an election without the support of their base. Simple fact of politics.
33 posted on 05/14/2003 3:25:13 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: jagrmeister
The assualt weapons ban is popular amongst the mainstream

1994 ring any bells?

34 posted on 05/14/2003 3:26:41 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("You are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute." - Demolition Man)
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To: Paleo Conservative
What an idiot.
I agree 100%. Whenever conservatives make a "vote of conscience", we all get screwed. Look at what votes for Perot got us.
35 posted on 05/14/2003 3:28:20 PM PDT by wjcsux
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To: sinkspur
It requires that you accept the fact that political dialogue is structured to meet an end and is used to mislead the public for its own benefit. Either you understand how the game is played or you don't.

"... That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed ..."

36 posted on 05/14/2003 3:29:05 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: Godebert
Jim Abrams lost his credibility right here.

Opponents of gun control legislation, like the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation,

AGS is a gun grabbing group founded by Andrew McKelvey, who used to be on HCI's board of directors. McKelvey backed the McSTAIN/LIEberman gun show ban.

37 posted on 05/14/2003 3:30:41 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("You are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute." - Demolition Man)
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To: justshe; deport; Southflanknorthpawsis; Amelia; TomServo
You gotta see this bump!
38 posted on 05/14/2003 3:33:00 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
One would certainly think that GW would have learned from
the experience of his father, NOT to aquiess to the demorats on any issue. they will use him then toss him out like a used condom even ridiculing him for being "bi-partisan".

Beware GW!
39 posted on 05/14/2003 3:36:13 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Howlin
We are dealing with a very, very sick mind here, Howlin. Soon they will take away his computer privileges and keep him in the crayon and stuffed animal room where he can't hurt himself or anyone else.
40 posted on 05/14/2003 3:38:43 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: tet68
I doubt he's listening to one word these idiots have to say. And I don't mean JUST the Democrats. :-)
41 posted on 05/14/2003 3:39:09 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: TLBSHOW
So will I; I'll vote for him, donate to his campaign and get all my friends to vote for Bush :)


BUMP

*Cough* *Cough*
42 posted on 05/14/2003 3:40:19 PM PDT by justshe
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To: coloradan
The Constitution doesn't mention one word about politics.

That's the game that's being played here, and everybody gets to buy some shiny new guns after September of next year!

43 posted on 05/14/2003 3:42:37 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: taxcontrol
Re: #31 & #33. Are you using FReeper spelling, or do you really not know the difference between "loose" and "lose"?
44 posted on 05/14/2003 3:51:40 PM PDT by Amelia (#8!)
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To: All
The other jerk at AGS is Jon(?) Cowan. Cowan is an ASD'er that used to work for Andrew Cuomo.
45 posted on 05/14/2003 3:56:07 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("You are fined one credit for a violation of the verbal morality statute." - Demolition Man)
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To: xdem
"Ronald Reagan accomplished a great deal while being honest about his views. There is no reason why Bush v1.0 and Bush v2.0 can't do the same. "W" either believes what he says on guns, or isn't courageous enough to say what he really thinks. Either way, it's not very recommending. After Clinton, I've had more than enough of politicians who care more about poll numbers than truth."

Well said.

46 posted on 05/14/2003 3:56:10 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Amelia
Typing on a tiny laptop keyboard with big hands....
47 posted on 05/14/2003 3:59:31 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Howlin
Bumping your fellow Bush sycophants, I see.

LOL @ you calling for backup.

48 posted on 05/14/2003 4:00:02 PM PDT by Chico Esquela (God bless America and our troops)
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To: SunStar
Good for you. That Constitution Party is gaining a few votes each election cycle. By 2050, they may even reach 100,000 nationwide!"

The Constitution Party presidential candidate received well over 500,000 votes in the 2000 election. If the Republicans continue their drift to the left, the Constitution Party will continue to get stronger.

49 posted on 05/14/2003 4:00:36 PM PDT by Godebert
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To: Chico Esquela
I didn't call in anybody. I pointed out a hyprocisy for them to see.
50 posted on 05/14/2003 4:00:54 PM PDT by Howlin
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