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Eighth grader penalized for missing school, singing at Bush Event
WRTV ^ | 05/16/2003 | www.wrtv.com

Posted on 05/16/2003 11:31:30 AM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal

This is my first post, bear with me. ...a student's absence can be excused for an illness, a family death, or an educational experience...Singing in a choir for the president of the United States, as Westfield Middle School eight grager, Brianna Tull, learned, dosen't count...was told she couldn't earn crdit for homewrok, tests and quizzes given that day

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Breaking News; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Indiana
KEYWORDS: bias; bush; bushhate; indianapolis; westfield
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To: Jeff Head
Jeepers... Thanks for the heads up! Great letter, Jeff!
101 posted on 05/16/2003 12:22:06 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
We took our daughter out of school for a week to attend Bush's inauguration and spend time in DC. The school officials said wonderful, she'd probabaly get a better education doing that than being in school.
102 posted on 05/16/2003 12:22:15 PM PDT by freedom4ever
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To: B Knotts
Thanks for the link. Here is the E-mail I sent to the Superintendent:

Dr. Keen:

I happened to see the news item on IndyChannel.com concerning Brianna Tull. It seems that the residents of your area disagree with your decision by a ratio of 9:1, according to the "insta-poll results."

For a young person to represent their community or school in a special event, such as entertaining the President of the United States when he is visiting the area, is very much an "educational experience." Possibly I am being presumptuous, but I wonder if your PhD is in Administration; because anybody with an advanced degree and half a brain would have avoided this type of issue like the plague. Your have caused your District nationwide embarassment.

(signed)
C.R.

103 posted on 05/16/2003 12:22:46 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: SJackson
Somebody severely NEEDS a harsh a$$-kicking.

Keen is probably gay though, so it would be considered a hate crime for freepers to even call and complain...

ah yessss... the stench of festering anti-president-bush bigotry, rotting in the vast expanse and expense of our nation's public education system...

104 posted on 05/16/2003 12:23:38 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (What price treason?)
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To: Not Insane
After all, the experience of shooting yourself in the eye with a bb gun is educational.

As long as it's a Daisy "Red-Rider"! With a compass in the stock.

105 posted on 05/16/2003 12:24:47 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: Jeff Head
The only unexcused absence we are talking about here is the absence of Mr. Keene's lack of good judgement and skill as a professional educator(whatever that is).
106 posted on 05/16/2003 12:24:49 PM PDT by blackdog (All generalizations are false.)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Welcome to FR. Excellent first post.

My kids are in an excellent private school. Today, they are going to go sing for nursing home residents. (I suppose they're actually doing it right now.) I consider that a fine use of their time, and as far as I know, there won't be a President in the audience. Not one!
107 posted on 05/16/2003 12:25:18 PM PDT by ChemistCat (Disney won't see another cent of our money.)
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To: Protagoras
The solution is to remove your child from the government school.

Wrong. The solution is to remove government from the schools.

108 posted on 05/16/2003 12:25:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Perhaps if the Eight grader just took a sick day? there wouldn't be any problems...

Yea teach her to lie, the school won't mind that, as long as she is made to "feel good" about herself, after all self-esteem is the goal of education now, learning is out, don't want to pressure the poor babies.

109 posted on 05/16/2003 12:26:06 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal

" I am not an animal!"

110 posted on 05/16/2003 12:26:25 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
I know the super works for a government school, but he should be able to figure out what may be learned at an event like this. Here are a few examples:
How to handle yourself in a intense situation with lots of pressure. How a president with integrity carries himself. If the President spoke; then learn what the current president is concerned about. One could easily learn by comparing and contrasting this president with the previous one.
112 posted on 05/16/2003 12:28:15 PM PDT by week 71
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To: Mister Baredog
Yea teach her to lie

NO,no no! I am not advocating lying. Sick days should have been in quotes. In the corporate world don't we take those "sick" days because we have them to use?

113 posted on 05/16/2003 12:28:56 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: All
In 1963, Bill Klintoon was a selected delegate of the American Legions Boy's Nation and was invited to the White House where he met JFK. The ALBN was a youth program for students to learn about government. But his report card probably shows perfect attendance (sacasm).
114 posted on 05/16/2003 12:29:00 PM PDT by jhw61
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To: GraniteStateConservative
"That's plenty educational."

The best part of her education was finding out what a pack of hypocritical control freaks operate public schools.

Hopefully, that will stick.
115 posted on 05/16/2003 12:29:06 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Jeff Head; IAmNotAnAnimal
Thanks for the ping Jeff

& Welcome to FR IAmNotAnAnimal
116 posted on 05/16/2003 12:29:43 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Some of what she learned that day is that many school adminsitrators are stupid.

She'll remember this event long after whatever her class did that day has been forgotten.
117 posted on 05/16/2003 12:30:01 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Thanks for the pics...I'm already hearing that we're making them have an awwwwwful long day in Westfield. Thanks Freepers
118 posted on 05/16/2003 12:30:29 PM PDT by IAmNotAnAnimal (Just a rural Indiana redneck)
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To: stands2reason
"We're in school for 180 days to provide an education," Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

She learned a valuable lesson about leftist hypocrisy.

119 posted on 05/16/2003 12:30:41 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Miss Marple
I don't know if you've seen this story or not.
120 posted on 05/16/2003 12:31:11 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: ReaganandDubyaForever
I have the solution to this problem: Have the President send the school a absense note for her!

HE is the reason she can't get the credit in the first place, Clintoon would have been fine, the whole class would have gone. I do like your idea though. Maybe BUSH should ask Rod Paige to look into this, you know, make a few inquiries about allocation of funding etc.LOL!

121 posted on 05/16/2003 12:33:28 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: P-Marlowe
Wrong. The solution is to remove government from the schools.

One thing at a time. You can do the first now. Then you can work on the other. I have always advocated the abolishment of government schools. But I won't wait til my kids are grown while I wait for the other to happen. So I'm not wrong.

122 posted on 05/16/2003 12:33:42 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: tscislaw
>>...Keen said. "Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"...<<

Send your reply directly to the idiot that runs this school district:

Dr. Mark Keen Superintendent 867-8010 keenm@wws.k12.in.us

Here's his photo:


123 posted on 05/16/2003 12:35:13 PM PDT by tom h
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
There is a poll on the front page, too - have to click the link under the headline for the related story. When I voted it was 91% against the school, 9% for.
124 posted on 05/16/2003 12:36:05 PM PDT by valkyrieanne
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To: July 4th
I hope she learned to work hard so she can send her kids to private school.
125 posted on 05/16/2003 12:38:37 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
I am sending it to Sweet Baby James at WABC Radio. He is Sean Hannity's program director.
126 posted on 05/16/2003 12:39:26 PM PDT by mware
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
A "bump" means that someone posts a comment (or only the word "bump") to your article. What that does: bumps it to the top of the heap of "Latest Posts," where it will catch the eye of people browsing for the lastest action on FR.

"Ping" = the poster, by typing the name of a fellow FReeper into the "To" line, alerts that person to come over here to your thread and read the article/issue.

That's "bump and "ping."

And a hearty welcome to FR!
127 posted on 05/16/2003 12:41:25 PM PDT by Cordova Belle ("America is great because she is good. When America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.")
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To: Grampa7030
You're to be commended for sharing that special time with your grandchild! Not only is a weekday more special, but you can often beat the crowds that way too :).

My parents occasionally took us out of school early for things such as matinees of "old" movies at the county art museum (in the pre-video & cable '70s, that was the *only* way to see a movie like SINGIN' IN THE RAIN complete and uncut, and you'd better believe that "cultural education" has stayed with me my entire life!) or for Opening Day at Dodger Stadium. Some of my happiest memories. "Learning" means far more than doing what the other kids do every single schoolday of the year.
128 posted on 05/16/2003 12:42:40 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Welcome, good job!
129 posted on 05/16/2003 12:42:56 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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“If attending a presidential speech isn’t educational, I don’t know what is,” Tull said. “She is working on a report about the experience that we are going to present to Mr. Keen.”

School policy defines “other educational activity” as “relevant to the child’s academic growth and equivalent to the child’s school activities/experiences.” The absence requires 30-day notice and must be approved by the building principal.

source

Let me take a wild guess.

Mr. Keen is Democrat

130 posted on 05/16/2003 12:44:48 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: Protagoras
"The thing I always did was tell the school, "My child will not be there tomorrow". None of their business why."

Reminds me, my mother used to send in notes when we were sick saying things like "Please excuse so-and-so from school as she was sick." I know she meant to be polite (grin) but my philosophy is rather like yours -- I'm the one in charge, not the school. My notes just say "So-and-so was absent due to illness" or "So-and-so will not be at school Monday." I'm not asking permission :).
131 posted on 05/16/2003 12:45:33 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Just made the Drudge Report! Congratulations.
132 posted on 05/16/2003 12:45:47 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"This is Super Keene"

Looks more like Super Dork

133 posted on 05/16/2003 12:46:04 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"Singing in a choir before the President of the United States is not educational or a culture experience?" That's ridiculous.
134 posted on 05/16/2003 12:46:19 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: ReaganandDubyaForever
I love your idea of the President writing an absence note. In fact wasn't it in Bill Sammon's last book that described the President writing an excuse for the grandson of the Ground Zero fireman he'd stood next to, after the guy was invited to bring his family to the White House? They gave the teacher a copy and saved the original :).
135 posted on 05/16/2003 12:47:00 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal; hoosiermama; Miss Marple
Welcome to FR! You've really started off with a bang ...... :-)

Great first post!

136 posted on 05/16/2003 12:47:11 PM PDT by kayak (Do not bet against the success of freedom. - GWB 5/9/03)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
What a crock of BS !!!

Last year hubby wanted to take our son elk hunting in Colorado for 10 days. The school principal not only excused our son, but asked if they had room for him to tag along...

Another school district close by has the Friday of deer hunting season a school holiday...

All this idiotic (liberal) superintendent is teaching the kids is that to get by, you have to lie if you are a conservative... PURE BS

137 posted on 05/16/2003 12:48:00 PM PDT by coder2
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I just sent my first letter to Mr. Keen

Me too, but I wasn't quite as "diplomatic" as you are. I'll bet he gets "lots of love" today, his e-mail box will be gagging soon.

138 posted on 05/16/2003 12:48:39 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: princess leah
"We went to Washington DC and Virginia this spring for vacation during spring break and my son (7th grade) earned EXTRA credit for standing up in class and talking about all the historical places he visited..."

That's wonderful! It looks like our family will make our first visit to those places in June...I'm very excited!
139 posted on 05/16/2003 12:48:56 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: stands2reason
"I'm not sure what was gained from an educational value," Superintendent Mark Keen told RTV6's Vicki Duncan.

Sure would be nice if the Superintendent could put together an itelligent sentence.

For those outside of central IN, Westfield is a rather well-to-do suburb of Indianapolis.

140 posted on 05/16/2003 12:50:03 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: codercpc
"It made such an impression on me (12 at the time), that when President Bush was campaigning in a different city close to me in 2000 I took my son so he to could have that experience."

I did something similar, I took my children to see Cheney and Powell campaigning two days before the 2000 election. My littlest one was only 3-1/2 at the time and he still mentions it when he sees them on TV.

141 posted on 05/16/2003 12:50:42 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: Gritty
I've added my vote to the poll!
142 posted on 05/16/2003 12:51:08 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
Welcome to FR!

I smell a big 'ole FReepin' a coming.......

143 posted on 05/16/2003 12:51:32 PM PDT by b4its2late (Despite the high cost of living, have you noticed how it remains so popular?)
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To: randog
...protesting the President, however, would have earned her extra-credit.

Depends on how the report is worded. "Research for Democrat National Committee Headquarters" would easily earn bonus points.

144 posted on 05/16/2003 12:52:02 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Paul Ross
No signe of Mark Keene on the FEC database.

He's listed under NEA(actually he's probably way too cheap to donate) but the NEA takes his money and sends it to the DEMS anyway so he knows he's covered. Someone should research some of the "excused absence" things they DO give credit for, that would be instructive.

145 posted on 05/16/2003 12:52:08 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: kaylar
This site gives people's reaction to the decision. You can post your thoughts.

I love this one!

“I wonder how Dr. Keen can justify that this young girl's experience was not educational while my Westfield 3rd grader's 3 hour field trip to Outback Steakhouse for lunch last week was! “

146 posted on 05/16/2003 12:53:26 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: GOPrincess; princess leah
We went to Washington DC and Virginia this spring for vacation during spring break and my son (7th grade) earned EXTRA credit for standing up in class and talking about all the historical places he visited..."

That's wonderful! It looks like our family will make our first visit to those places in June...I'm very excited!

May I add, if you have enough time, to visit the Hampton Roads area. Lots of Revolutionary and Civil War History. NOt to mention the Beaches! Welcome to Virginia (in Advance!)

147 posted on 05/16/2003 12:53:28 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I could walk on water - Audio Adrenaline)
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To: coder2
All this idiotic (liberal) superintendent is teaching the kids is that to get by, you have to lie if you are a conservative... PURE BS

Good point. Each school has their own policy outside of any federal regulation and it's obvious this school wishes to hinder anything related to conservatism. This is what I call brainwashing.

"I'll be taking my kids out of school next year during the election campaign because they will be sick during that time."

148 posted on 05/16/2003 12:53:54 PM PDT by m1-lightning (Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD , the people he chose for his inheritance. Psalm 33:12)
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To: IAmNotAnAnimal
"Going to see the president is certainly an experience, but what did the child learn from that?"

Reminds me of when the Challenger exploded. The principal ushered us all back to our classrooms because there was apparently no educational value in watching history.

149 posted on 05/16/2003 12:53:59 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: GOPrincess
It's sad how many people think we need permission from the government to do things, even a ton of people on this site.
150 posted on 05/16/2003 12:54:34 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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