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Anyone Just Hear a TERRIBLE Presentation by Homeland Defense's Hutchinson IGNORING Illegal Aliens?
www.cspan.org ^ | 19 May 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 05/19/2003 10:27:42 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

Anyone else just hear a replay of a talk earlier today (19 May) by former Congressman Asa Hutchison, Homeland Defense Undersecretary for Border Control, going into detail about their new USA Visa program and how it will secure our borders at US points of entry?

[This aired on CSPAN Radio.]

I couldn't believe that talk. IS THIS REALLY BUSH ADMINISTRATION POLICY?!?!

Barf.

No wonder we are being invaded on the installment plan and the many law abiding guests and immigrants are being slapped in the face and insulted. It guess, listening to that talk, it will continue to happen regardless if the GOP or the Dems control the agencies.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: asahutchison; borders; federalgovt; homelandsecurity; hutchinson; illegals; invasion; laws; visas
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Salient points of Asa's talk at C.S.I.S., Washington (summary):

--America should and will continue to welcome mass after mass, wave after wave, of immigrant.

--The (rest their souls, nevertheless) individuals found dead in a Texas truck smuggled into the US were "immigrants".

--Asa discussed only the issue of controlling to keep terrorists out. NARY a word of controlling illegal alien entry, nor any condemnation of it, nor strategy to plug those massive holes.

--Line after line after line about how immigrants contributed to America. But basically, as a result, putting LEGAL immigrants and ILLEGAL immigrants, (as long as they are not terrorists) in the same cherished box to be praised.

--Detailed discussion about new biometrics/fingerprints, etc. to be used in scanning foreign entrys at ports and airports. Nary a discussion about the thousands and thousands who use routes outside of these established Ports of Entry and are primarily non-terrorists but illegal aliens nonetheless.

I took away from this speech that the policy talking points of the Administration are that legal and illegal immigration distinctions are or should disappear. I found this talk extremely disheartening.

1 posted on 05/19/2003 10:27:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
What did you expect?

One of the largest cocaine importers in the history of the country operated out of his jurisdiction while a US District Attorney in Arkansas and Asa never laid a finger on ole Barry Seal and the boys. He's a go along get along guy if ever there was one.
2 posted on 05/19/2003 10:35:22 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: F16Fighter; dennisw; Marine Inspector; Aliska; Drill Alaska; Black Agnes; gubamyster; ...
bump
3 posted on 05/19/2003 10:36:23 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: JohnGalt
He's a go along get along guy if ever there was one

The Truth

4 posted on 05/19/2003 10:38:04 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: JohnGalt
I might add that Asa said the individuals leaving Mexico found dead in the truck were 'seeking freedom'.

By that criteria, a) he has just insulted the Republic of Mexico as people are leaving it for 'freedom'... and b) they were not illegal aliens leaving based on economics, but rather political refugees.

At any rate, his speech was a patent endorsement and 'look the other way' position on the illegal alien inflow problem. It almost sounded like a Democrat, for what he patently LEFT OUT of the speech.

5 posted on 05/19/2003 10:41:06 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Il had ANOTHER bad underwear day . He found "decapitate" in his English-Korean dictionary.)
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To: Travelgirl
You might want to take a look at this. Has Asa been confronted on this issue?
6 posted on 05/19/2003 10:42:13 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
I think most of the questions at the C.S.I.S. Washington, D.C. forum today were pretty softball for him.

This guy's a "conservative, patriot"? Sheesh. We gotta' clean the ranks, and I mean, like NOW.

7 posted on 05/19/2003 10:43:25 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Kim Jong Il had ANOTHER bad underwear day . He found "decapitate" in his English-Korean dictionary.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
When in the hell is someone in authority - other than Tom Trancredo, who has been villified - admit that we are being invaded and the illegals (That means against the law, doesn't it?) are bankrupting the system? I am SO SICK OF THIS!!!
8 posted on 05/19/2003 10:46:17 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: JohnGalt
"He's a go along get along guy if ever there was one."

Well said.

9 posted on 05/19/2003 10:46:28 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: AmericanInTokyo

"We want to keep
the borders open."



10 posted on 05/19/2003 10:47:17 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Stay in this "Two-Party Cartel" & get this type of treatment. Only ten years of saying the same old thing & NOTHING has changed. Change ONLY happens when you vote outside of it & break the cartel.
11 posted on 05/19/2003 10:49:06 AM PDT by Digger
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To: AmericanInTokyo
the admin pubbies don't want to do anything to offend mexican voters before the next election. they want to raise the number of Mexican Americans voting republican in the next election.

don't know if soft border policies will do the pubbies any good. it hasn't in the past.

the governor of california is currently on the skids not because of anything has or has not done vis a vis the border. so the admin pubbies think they have a shot at california in the next election.

12 posted on 05/19/2003 10:51:25 AM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Tancredo Fan
Tancredo for President! I'll contribute to that.
13 posted on 05/19/2003 10:51:29 AM PDT by ImpotentRage
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Makes me wanna throw up. They will beggar this nation. To be so tolertant of illegal aliens when there is a recession is an outrage. These WashDC poobahs are way too insulated from the consequences of their actions.
14 posted on 05/19/2003 10:52:46 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It's not like ASA didn't get an earful when he visited the border area:

Aguilar says illegal immigration is under control; some disagree

15 posted on 05/19/2003 10:53:44 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: sweetliberty
Has Asa been confronted on this issue?

Yes. See my post #15

16 posted on 05/19/2003 10:55:11 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: bigfootbob
Until we get off the kick of labeling the Republicans as the good guys and start taking a realistic approach at the present state of affairs, it will get worse. We have Republicans in power positions that are just as radical as the Democrats in giving our sovereignty and country away.

Tancredo is the only hope I see for the future. Hopefully, the economy will get so severe that the public will insist on protecting America from excessive immigration and job loss. This is a drastic wish but it seems the only thing that will ignite enough anger to get some action.

17 posted on 05/19/2003 10:55:52 AM PDT by meenie
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To: AmericanInTokyo
The Specter of Treason in the highest places of government continues. They don't bother even hiding it anymore.
18 posted on 05/19/2003 11:00:45 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
19 posted on 05/19/2003 11:01:53 AM PDT by jmc813 (After two years of FReeping, I've finally created a profile page. Check it out!)
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To: Spiff; Travelgirl; stop_the_rats; wirestripper; TheBattman; Lauratealeaf; kcvl; spectre; Budge; ...
Well, actually I was thinking more in terms of putting pressure on him here in Arkansas. Republicans are very easily replaced here (unfortunately, it is most often with democrats). I'm just wondering who his interests here are serving, because I am quite sure, based on what I know of Arkansas politics, that he is in somebody's pocket. I'm guessing Tyson.
20 posted on 05/19/2003 11:06:40 AM PDT by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I might add that Asa said the individuals leaving Mexico found dead in the truck were 'seeking freedom'.

Was the 'Star Spangled Banner' building in the background?

Everybody's seeking freedom, i.e. a better std of living. As hard as it seems for some to grasp, we Americans do NOT owe it to them, and definitely not at the expense of 95% of us.

21 posted on 05/19/2003 11:07:20 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: Tancredo Fan
I didn't hear this for myself and I thought Hutchinson's views on illegals was different from this. I'm sad to hear this.

You know the thing that mystifies me is that Bush had to deal with the problem of illegals as Governor of Texas, so how can he be so indifferent to this problem or worse, so Pro-illegals?? I just don't understand.

It's one thing to worry about terrorists being among those crossing the border or coming through airports, and another to worry about the entire problem of illegals - Mexican or Arab, wherever they come into this Country. Yikes.

CLOSE OUR SOUTHERN AND NORTHERN BORDERS NOW!!
22 posted on 05/19/2003 11:08:45 AM PDT by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
My blood boils dangerously high at seeing this crap every darn day.

I cringe when I imagine the magnitude of the tragic situation on US soil we are in for before TPTB finally gets their act togetner.
23 posted on 05/19/2003 11:09:13 AM PDT by Sweet_Sunflower29 (S_S29-- Member since May 19, 2002__ FReeping for one year today & wants presents...)
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To: skeeter
This is the question I've had about GWB since before he was President:

WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH HIM AND OPEN BORDERS?!?!?!

24 posted on 05/19/2003 11:10:25 AM PDT by SerpentDove (Each post focus-group tested for maximum wallop.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
It seems to me that every politician (with very few exceptions) is avoiding the illegals issue and I don't think it will ever be addressed by a sitting president because they want the Latino vote.

Furthermore, how can we go after terrorisim in other countries when we continue to allow anyone into our own country?

25 posted on 05/19/2003 11:13:54 AM PDT by hsmomx3 (Please, no Janet "do it my way or take the highway" in 2006)
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To: dennisw
To be so tolertant of illegal aliens when there is a recession is an outrage. These WashDC poobahs are way too insulated from the consequences of their actions.

This is another reason why the Stock Market will continue on its multi-year slide. Why would an investor risk their hard-earned money when the very future of America as a "sovereign independent nation", in control of its own density, is in question?

If Bush goes down to defeat in 2004 it will be as a result of his reckless Open Borders/Free Trade polices that are decimating the prosperity of this country and clouding America's future as a sovereign nation.

26 posted on 05/19/2003 11:15:07 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: SerpentDove
He is a GLOBALIST. He does things only for political gains he cares not a whit about the Constitution or the people. He will throw bones their way but will do nothing to actually handle the situation. Why do you think the borders are still open? This is so he can justify the Gestapo like TSA. Also he doesn't want to "offend" his buddy Vicente Foxx. Notice how fast the UN is still okay after not supporting the US because it is all about Globalist control.

Ravenstar
27 posted on 05/19/2003 11:17:14 AM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: ckilmer
they want to raise the number of Mexican Americans voting republican in the next election.

But by allowing in more Mexicans, they may be raising the number of Mexican Americans voting Dem even more. Open borders is bad policy and very possibly (for the GOP) bad politics.

28 posted on 05/19/2003 11:18:46 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for articulating the key 'talking points'...

We do really need to know the truth as you put it:

"IS THIS REALLY BUSH ADMINISTRATION POLICY?!?!

29 posted on 05/19/2003 11:18:56 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
~~BUMP~~
30 posted on 05/19/2003 11:19:08 AM PDT by Reagan is King
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To: meenie
"We have Republicans in power positions that are just as radical as the Democrats in giving our sovereignty and country away."

I agree! And Asa Hutchinson was one and is a dangerous reprobate. I would also include Orin Hatch and our former senator Slade Gorton with that group.

"Hopefully, the economy will get so severe that the public will insist on protecting America from excessive immigration and job loss."

I think you may get your wish, at least up here in my neck of the woods.

31 posted on 05/19/2003 11:19:15 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Digger
Digger try looking at americafirstparty.org you might find something you like.

Ravenstar
32 posted on 05/19/2003 11:20:03 AM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I live in Arizona and saw this story on local tv, complete with a demonstration of the drone. Feel better?

Homeland Security Officials Consider Drone Patrols Over Border

Excerpt:

Unmanned drone aircraft have worked well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the Homeland Security Department is thinking about using them along the U.S.-Mexican border.

The drones could be used to track drug smugglers, illegal immigrants and terrorists. Arizona's congressional delegation is in favor of them, along with Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge.

33 posted on 05/19/2003 11:22:29 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: Tancredo Fan
See #33. Are you in favor of this idea?
34 posted on 05/19/2003 11:25:33 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: Digger
Hope you see #33, as well.

I hope you know the Arizona congressional delegation is Republican and a dem delegation would not support this plan.
35 posted on 05/19/2003 11:26:52 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: ckilmer
See #33.

You are WRONG.
36 posted on 05/19/2003 11:27:29 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: MrLeRoy
"But by allowing in more Mexicans, they may be raising the number of Mexican Americans voting Dem even more. Open borders is bad policy and very possibly (for the GOP) bad politics."

On the surface your premise seems to make sense...

Apparently though, the GOP is betting on a different model that somehow creates a voter trend in their favor -- regardless of any negative ramifications the sanctioned flooding of legal/illegal Third World immigration produces.

IOW -- American sovereignty is being sold out for what else? POWER.

37 posted on 05/19/2003 11:27:48 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Spiff
Are you familiar with the plan to use drones? See #33.

You can be sure that is not the only tool being discussed to deal with a problem the administration fully recognizes.
38 posted on 05/19/2003 11:30:09 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: sweetliberty
I'm guessing Tyson

Tyson, Walmart, ConAgra, Anthony Forest(Beryl Anthony aka Vince Foster's brother-in-law) bipartisan crook and former Congressman, just to name a few...along with local government jobs, such as road side clean-up, mowing, park improvements, and local manufacturing jobs.

39 posted on 05/19/2003 11:30:21 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Asa's last job was head of the DEA. He's used to ignoring reality.
40 posted on 05/19/2003 11:31:12 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Digger
Stay in this "Two-Party Cartel" & get this type of treatment. Only ten years of saying the same old thing & NOTHING has changed. Change ONLY happens when you vote outside of it & break the cartel.

Bump That. This is the only way to stop the nightmare that the Beltway Party is visiting upon America. Both parties are way past redemption.

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves.

41 posted on 05/19/2003 11:32:30 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: cyncooper
Drones are a good idea, and the government owes the people an explanation as to why they haven't used this technology themselves. It's been around for years. The reason they haven't used them is because they're apt to work.

The problem now is that we have an administration that won't secure the borders under any circumstances. Even 9/11 didn't do it. The use of drones by the feds to stop the flow of illegals would be a waste of time..... like washing ones feet with socks on. Civilians need to do it, not the feds, and then get congress involved. They can stop the onslaught.

42 posted on 05/19/2003 11:34:27 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: cyncooper
"I live in Arizona and saw this story on local tv, complete with a demonstration of the drone. Feel better?"...

...Unmanned drone aircraft have worked well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now the Homeland Security Department is thinking about using them along the U.S.-Mexican border.

Yeah, and maybe I won't get wet if I stand under Niagra Falls holding an umbrella.

43 posted on 05/19/2003 11:35:10 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Wolfie
He's used to ignoring reality.

Somebody's ignoring something, and it doesn't seem to be the administration.

What do you think of the drone idea, as just one tool in dealing with the illegal immigration problem?

44 posted on 05/19/2003 11:35:10 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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To: Digger
>>...Stay in this "Two-Party Cartel" & get this type of treatment...<<

Exactly. Almost seems like it's planned.

No matter who's in office, the country still gets "sold down the river".

If it weren't planned, you'd think they'd screw up once in a while and legislate something in our favor .

45 posted on 05/19/2003 11:39:14 AM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: cyncooper
>>...The drones could be used to track drug smugglers, illegal immigrants and terrorists...<<

We don't need drones to tell us they're coming across the borders. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT!!

Drones won't help a bit unless someone ACTS on that information.

46 posted on 05/19/2003 11:42:30 AM PDT by FReepaholic
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To: JohnGalt
One of the largest cocaine importers in the history of the country operated out of his jurisdiction while a US District Attorney in Arkansas and Asa never laid a finger on ole Barry Seal and the boys. He's a go along get along guy if ever there was one.

You forgot to point out he used to head the DEA. THE FREAKIN' DEA! You can't get much more cynical than Asa Hutchinson. Anyone thinking Homeland Security is about keeping Joe Citizen secure is totally deluded.

47 posted on 05/19/2003 11:42:41 AM PDT by eno_
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To: ImpotentRage
When in the hell is someone in authority - other than Tom Trancredo, who has been villified - admit that we are being invaded and the illegals (That means against the law, doesn't it?) are bankrupting the system?

Outside of Tom Tancredo and a few (very few) other True American Patriots in Congress...No One will talk about this invasion or it's dire consequences for America.

I have a much better appreciation of how many a Roman Citizen must have felt when their long standing Empire was crumbling 1,500 years ago.

48 posted on 05/19/2003 11:43:11 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: cyncooper
Yes it is the administration. This drone idea came about as a result of a group of citizens using them to patrol the Border after W's administration, despite 911, refused to do anything to secure the borders! Of course this citizens group was termed "vigilantes" by the globalists.

Ravenstar

P.S. Next time, especially for Congress vote your conscience not your prison sentence to a party that gives lip service to the Constitution then undermines it at nearly every turn.

49 posted on 05/19/2003 11:43:26 AM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land)
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To: tscislaw
Drones won't help a bit unless someone ACTS on that information.

Did you think that up all by yourself?

Of course they would be used and then information gained acted on.

(Duh)

50 posted on 05/19/2003 11:45:26 AM PDT by cyncooper (That was some carrier landing!)
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