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CNN RETRACTS ATTACK ON ASSAULT WEAPONS
Unnamed | therut

Posted on 05/19/2003 6:17:50 PM PDT by therut

O:K Guys and Gals I just read on the dreaded other web site tha Cnn ran a retraction of their false report on assault weapons. I did not see it does anyone else know any details.


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1 posted on 05/19/2003 6:17:50 PM PDT by therut
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To: *bang_list; Joe Brower
Confirmation, anyone?
2 posted on 05/19/2003 6:19:24 PM PDT by coloradan
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To: coloradan
I just know that the "other site" and yes there is some real pro-2nd amendment people there. Posted and 5:57EST that they had a different Florida policeman on who practically said ther other guy lied.
3 posted on 05/19/2003 6:22:29 PM PDT by therut
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To: therut

If they really cared about people they would ban these assault weapons. There is just no legitimate reason for ANYONE to own a brick.
4 posted on 05/19/2003 6:23:56 PM PDT by keithtoo (Luvya Dubya)
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To: therut
Interesting. I didn't see the original CNN airing of the story but watched it here: Click and I did see Wayne Lapierre rip into them the other day. I emailed Fox Newswatch this morning hoping they would run something this weekend.
5 posted on 05/19/2003 6:31:32 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: coloradan
I remember commenting at the time so I went back and found the two comments that I made on a thread. Here they are:

Hey, I was surfing through my remote and was interrupted and stayed on CNN and lo and behold there is LaPierre(sp?) and after the infobab Kyra Phillips asked a ridicules question he said that CNN had faked a story yesterday and tore her up one side and down the other. It was beautiful.

I know there is no chance that they will repeat that segment, but instead of answering her question he went for the jugular. He said that CNN faked a story that ran all day yesterday. She didn't know whether to sh!t or go blind and said she was going to end the interview because CNN does not fabricate stories, but turned right around and asked him another goofy question and giving him another chance to rant some more. It was priceless.

6 posted on 05/19/2003 6:45:23 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: RJayneJ
Now how many stories does this make that CNN has had to retract?
7 posted on 05/19/2003 6:47:10 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I don't know, but you have to figure the climate is receptive to this type of story at CNN. It was just an accident that I saw the interview. LaPierra said something like, Your question is based on a fabrication and CNN should be ashamed. I would love to see the retraction. There is probably a transcript of that interview by now. He used the words "faked the story."
8 posted on 05/19/2003 6:58:28 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: RJayneJ
i remain in total ignorance. What did the CNN story say? What did the retraction say? Any links to either?
9 posted on 05/19/2003 7:14:44 PM PDT by Wisconsin
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To: therut
Don't know, don't watch CNN. My TV is "shoe shy" when CNN appears on the screen.
11 posted on 05/19/2003 7:16:54 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: therut
Bump for an explanation.
12 posted on 05/19/2003 7:20:05 PM PDT by TomB
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To: Wisconsin
Here is the retraction.

Taken from GonzoSKS at sksboards.com:

O'BRIEN: Welcome back. The White House recently restated President Bush's support for renewing a ban on certain semiautomatic weapons. The ban has been in place since '94, but is set to expire next year, unless Congress renews it.

Recent signals that the GOP leadership might not bring the renewal up for consideration and will let the ban expire have rekindled the fires of that debate. On this program on Thursday of last week, we aired a live demonstration CNN set up with law enforcement officials of a banned semiautomatic rifle and its legal counterpart. We reviewed that demonstration, and one on another CNN program, and decided that a more detailed report could better explain this complex issue.

Here is CNN's John Zarrella.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is a semiautomatic firearm. It instantly self-loads and fires one bullet for each trigger pull. The 1994 Crime Control Act says it is unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer or possess a semiautomatic assault weapon. The law defines a semiautomatic assault weapon by name and description, listing 19 specific firearms by name that are illegal.

The law also bans certain rifles, pistols and shotguns by description, as well as large capacity ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. The law is very specific. For a semiautomatic rifle to be banned, it must be able to use a detachable magazine and have at least two of the following features: A flash suppressor, a bayonet mount, a pistol grip, a folding or telescoping stock, or a grenade launcher.

Gary Reno (ph), a retired 30-year police officer and assistant chief in Oakland Park, Florida.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's examine the banned weapon.

ZARRELLA: ... explained the difference between a banned AR-15 and its legal clone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flash suppressor, bayonet log, high capacity magazine, over 10 rounds, pistol grip and a telescoping rear stock.

ZARRELLA (on camera): And the legal weapon doesn't have those features, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doesn't have any of those features. Does not have a flash suppressor, does not have a bayonet log, has a legal 10- round magazine. Does have the pistol grip, but it has no other features so it makes it a legal firearm, and has a solid rear stock.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): Pro-ban advocates say each of these features would make the weapons more deadly, but anti-ban supporters say those features are only cosmetic and don't contribute to and increase in crime. With only one of the listed features, the gun is legal. And without those features, experts say the guns are identical.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's exactly the same gun.

ZARRELLA (on camera): And the same firepower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Same firepower, same bullet, you have to squeeze the trigger once to make a bullet go down the barrel.

ZARRELLA (voice-over): In fact, if you fire the same caliber and type bullets from the two guns, you get the same impact.

Here is a .223 caliber bullet fired from a banned AR-15 rifle. Now, the legal version of that rifle.

The smaller hole made by the second gun has nothing to do with the gun or ammunition. The shooter just hit the second target more times in the same place.

Both sides cited Justice Department study about the impact of the law as proof of their argument. Those who oppose the ban say the study shows the ban has had no impact on the reduction of crime and that the answer is to enforce the laws already on the books.

WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXEC. VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION: What stops crime is every time a violent felon touches a gun, a violent drug dealer, a violent criminal, use the existing federal law, prosecute him 100 percent, confront the criminal directly, and take him off the street and put him in jail.

ZARRELLA: Supporters of the ban instead say the study shows a decline in the amount of crime committed with these weapons.

REP. CAROLYN MCCARTHY (D), NEW YORK: I'm sure the American people do not want to go back to the day of allowing AK-47s back on the streets, or even the newer models that are the Buschmeister (ph) that were used in the D.C. sniping killings last year.

ZARRELLA: Gun control advocates are working with some members of Congress on not only extending the assault weapon ban in 2004, but introducing new legislation to vastly expand the number of weapons banned. Gun advocates and their supporters in Congress argue this and any future bans are an unconstitutional violation of the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

John Zarrella, CNN, Miami.
13 posted on 05/19/2003 7:30:20 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: coloradan
They just6 basically redid the story. I don't think they said how they made up the last one.
14 posted on 05/19/2003 7:31:17 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Wisconsin
As to the original story it had a Texas cop fire a preban 30 rd AK-47 at a cinder block and at a "bullet proof" vest.

It easily penetrated both of them.

Then he pulls out a legal 10 rd AK-47 and misses the cinder blocks BY A MILE!

Then goes onto lecture us about how the 30 rd AK was more powerful and the 10rd AK is too weak to break cinder blocks.

Then to stress the need to keep the SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons ban in place he switches it to full auto and decimates the bricks.

Meanwhile anyone who has a modicum of knowledge of the AK-47 and rifle technology is sitting home aghast at this JBT lying through his teeth.
15 posted on 05/19/2003 7:34:33 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; ...
Check out the video link in post #5.

CNN has certainly proven itself to be more than a shameless propaganda outlet for the civilian disarment crowd. A TV version of the lying New York Times.


16 posted on 05/19/2003 7:46:47 PM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Bogey78O
"As to the original story it had a Texas cop fire a preban 30 rd AK-47 at a cinder block and at a "bullet proof" vest.

It easily penetrated both of them.

Then he pulls out a legal 10 rd AK-47 and misses the cinder blocks BY A MILE!"

What this shows is the intellectual dishonesty of the gun control advocates. They are even worse than pathological liars.
17 posted on 05/19/2003 7:51:56 PM PDT by punster
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To: therut
Here's a link to my original post the night CNN first aired the segment. The key is that their "demonstration" was of a select-fire, fully automatic weapon, claiming that was what was up for grabs with the assault weapon law. I don't believe that CNN has retracted their obvious disinformation from that broadcast.
18 posted on 05/19/2003 7:52:03 PM PDT by Sender
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To: Bogey78O
God, what bull s**t
19 posted on 05/19/2003 8:02:36 PM PDT by shootist
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To: Howlin
CNN is the New York Times of cable news.
20 posted on 05/19/2003 8:04:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: shootist
guns, lies and videotape

Hold them accountable
21 posted on 05/19/2003 8:08:17 PM PDT by Noumenon (Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away. --Philip K. Dick)
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To: therut
Its amazing...I rarely watch CNN yet I saw both the original report and Wayne LaPierre's scathing atack on the CNN bimbo interviewing him. It was truly LaPierre's shining moment...he was terrific.
22 posted on 05/19/2003 8:15:08 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Wisconsin
You can read the missing parts to the story further down the thread. I did not see the original story or demonstration. I saw LaPierre go balistic about the faked demonstration. I generally do not watch CNN and it was by accident that I saw the LaPierre interview.
23 posted on 05/19/2003 8:16:24 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: punster
I believe the Sheriff was from Florida.
I didn't see the whole tape but I think the sheriff's name was:

"Gary Reno (ph), a retired 30-year police officer and assistant chief in Oakland Park, Florida."

A couple of days ago, I was on another website and they had the sheriff's email. I tried to send something and it was returned. Too much heat, I guess.
24 posted on 05/19/2003 8:18:22 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Bogey78O
REP. CAROLYN MCCARTHY (D), NEW YORK: I'm sure the American people do not want to go back to the day of allowing AK-47s back on the streets, or even the newer models that are the Buschmeister (ph) that were used in the D.C. sniping killings last year.

So we have people writing laws about guns that think the Bushmaster XM-15 is a "newer version" of an AK-47? Saints Preserve Us!

She is the primary sponsor of the House version of the AWB "renewal", HR 2038, which would reduce the required number of "bad" features to 1, and would define even a thumbhole stock as a pistol grip, presence of which get a gun banned under her bill. It also expands the number of guns banned by name, also bans guns that have the same frame or receiver as banned guns, and includes any " semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event." (1984 double speak anyone?)

So even though the by name ban list includes the sweet little M-1 Carbine and the Ruger Mini-14, it somehow misses the Springfield Armory (et. al)M1A/M14S, she's got it covered in that paragraph quoted above. I think there might be 2 or 3 types of centerfire semi-automatic rifle that would still be allowed, like the Browning and Remington sporting rifles, but darn few.

25 posted on 05/19/2003 8:19:38 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Joe Brower
Thanks Joe. subguns.com was all over this a couple of days ago and they're still loaded with stories about it.
26 posted on 05/19/2003 8:20:18 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: montag813
I'm glad to find someone else that saw the interview. The interviewer was shaken and almost ended the interview but didn't. I kind of think she was told not to. I remember her saying something like, I'm going to end this interview because CNN does not fake its news stories.
27 posted on 05/19/2003 8:23:42 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: El Gato
So even though the by name ban list includes the sweet little M-1 Carbine and the Ruger Mini-14, it somehow misses the Springfield Armory (et. al)M1A/M14S

For the less gun savy. The M-14S/M1A and Mini-14 are virtually identical designs, except for size. The Mini-14 chambers the same ammunition as the M-16/AR-15 and it has a "sister" rifle, the Mini-30, that fires the same ammuntion as the AK-47, both of type of ammunition are "intermediate power". More than pistol ammo, less than the "full power" 7.62x51 (aka .308) ammunition fired by the M-14S/M1A. The little M-1 Carbine is a similar design, but fires a still less powerfull .30 caliber (7.62mm) round that is little more than a slightly hot pistol round.

28 posted on 05/19/2003 8:28:56 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: therut
I couldn't find it on their website. One of the original reports, as well as Wayne's counterattack, are in the transcripts section, but they can't be found with the search engine.
29 posted on 05/19/2003 8:45:11 PM PDT by Redcloak (All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
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To: El Gato
Thanks Colin Ferguson.
30 posted on 05/19/2003 9:02:29 PM PDT by wardaddy (Your momma said I was a loser, a deadend cruiser and deep inside I knew that she was right)
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To: TEXASPROUD
bttt
31 posted on 05/19/2003 9:17:30 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: El Gato
Hard to believe my little SKS is more dangerous than my .44, 30.30, 30.06, .357, 7mm or .308.

Wow! I really appreciate the well informed Senators telling me the straight facts!

/ barf

32 posted on 05/19/2003 9:21:28 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: RJayneJ
I remember her saying something like, I'm going to end this interview because CNN does not fake its news stories.

Tell that to Eason Jordan.

33 posted on 05/19/2003 9:23:43 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
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To: Thumper1960
I really appreciate the well informed Senators telling me the straight facts!

Reprsentatives, not Senators. this is a House bill. By comparison the Senate bill, by Fienstien et. al., is quite mild. Other than making the ban permanent, it would additionally only ban import of pre-ban full capacity magazines. I actually think the House bill is a distraction/lure to get us all excited and then say "well OK" we'll not do all that (for now) , we'll just accept the Senate version, even though it's woefully inadequate".

34 posted on 05/19/2003 9:30:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: keithtoo
Do you have a CCW for that brick? If not, there's probably a reward for turning you in in your state. Of course you're probably a member of the NBA (National Brickers Association) and can get a good lawyer. </sarcasm off
35 posted on 05/19/2003 9:30:54 PM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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To: RJayneJ; Howlin
Sean Hannity had LaPierre on today to discuss this. It was really good. If you havent heard it, his online streaming audio repeats the show until the next live one.
36 posted on 05/19/2003 9:32:49 PM PDT by TEXOKIE
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To: Bogey78O
" Meanwhile anyone who has a modicum of knowledge of the AK-47 and rifle technology is sitting home aghast at this JBT lying through his teeth."

Meanwhile anyone who takes their armaments serious enough knows better than to aim their AK-47 at anyone's chest. The head shot is always the quickest way to put down an assailant; body armor is pretty useless above the neck (or even if you've got time to aim, at the knees...that puts anyone down).
37 posted on 05/19/2003 9:33:14 PM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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To: El Gato
The way I handle the "assault rifle" definition in my book is how they will eventually define them, when they get tired of naming individual firearms, features, etc.

They will just ban all semi-automatic rifles, period. The media is already doing its part to blur the distinctions, with full auto AK-47s being blended in with semi auto AR-15s etc in the viewers' minds.

38 posted on 05/19/2003 9:35:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Thumper1960
I'd take the SKS against the 44 and 30-30 myself.

Just an opinion...hardly an endorsement of any RKBA infringements.

I think the SKS is one of the bets bangs for the buck..
39 posted on 05/19/2003 9:37:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (Your momma said I was a loser, a deadend cruiser and deep inside I knew that she was right)
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To: El Gato
I guess now is a good time to buy a few SAR-1's (Romanian Ak-47) while they're still only 300$.
40 posted on 05/19/2003 9:43:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Travis McGee
Oil your garden my friend.
41 posted on 05/19/2003 9:45:04 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: RJayneJ
Hey, I was surfing through my remote and was interrupted and stayed on CNN and lo and behold there is LaPierre(sp?) and after the infobab Kyra Phillips asked a ridicules question he said that CNN had faked a story yesterday and tore her up one side and down the other. It was beautiful.

Here is the url for the CNN feedback page. Click on the Comment on our anchors and Kyra Phillips and a window will pop up. You can fill in your name, hometown, email address, and the comment itself. Make sure you click on the Your view of the coverage and check either positive or negative.

Make Kyra Phillips' email account BURN! ;)

42 posted on 05/19/2003 9:47:06 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: wardaddy
No doubt, as it originally cost just a bit over $100 when I bought it in 1992 at Woolworth's. I was referring to the actual power and performance aspects. Of course, anything that would be on the recieving end of any of those barrels woould end up having a bad day.
43 posted on 05/19/2003 9:47:27 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: wardaddy
Hell yea. For 120$ you can buy a sweet lil Yugoslavian SKS that'll shoot at about 4-5 MOA right out the cosmoline with milsurp 123 gr ammo with an effective range of 200-300 yards.

Also it's been shown that the FMJ 7.62 has more power over 100 yards than the 30-30 SP.

The SKS has a dirty reputation but it's still a reliable and fun gun to fire.

It's the rifle the stoked my love affair with milsurp weaponry. I'm even working on building up one on a nice Choate stock. Everyone I talk to is getting in on the act with the SKS.
44 posted on 05/19/2003 9:49:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: El Gato
Regardless.....

You do know that our elected officials are oh, so much much more knowledgeable about what's good for us, and by extension, the country, than us poor ole peon working-class stiffs who can't understand the grander picture of what life should be.

/ mega-barf

45 posted on 05/19/2003 9:50:42 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: therut
CNNLIES
46 posted on 05/19/2003 9:50:46 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Bogey78O
And don't forget to BLOAT.
47 posted on 05/19/2003 9:51:08 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- I don't own any "assault rifles," just Homeland Defense Rifles. It's my patriotic duty. ---)
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To: timestax
I still have a few CNNLIES bumper stickers that I haven't found a suitable place for.
48 posted on 05/19/2003 9:52:26 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: Bogey78O; Thumper1960
I would guess that caliber in it's recent incarnations from SKS to AK-47 has been responsible for more battlefield kills than any other cartridge.

Very reliable cache weapon for the money.
49 posted on 05/19/2003 9:59:21 PM PDT by wardaddy (Your momma said I was a loser, a deadend cruiser and deep inside I knew that she was right)
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To: Travis McGee
Bloat?
50 posted on 05/19/2003 9:59:44 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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