[theoverseer]

Way to go, David! It's good to see you take to task not only the fundamentalists of the secular left, but the fundamentalists of the religious right!

[BibChr]

Yes, right: David Horowitz, widely-regarded expert on Christian fundamentalism and moral issues.

Pinhead.

Dan

[Scenic Sounds]

Great post!

LOL - this oughta be a dandy!!

[Mike K]

So it's okay to be intolerant of liberals but not homosexuals? Sorry David, you missed on this one.

[RAT Patrol]

Tolerance is different from approval, but it is also different from stigmatizing and shunning those with whom we disagree.

Really? Tell that to the gaystapo. There should be a stigma placed on certain behaviors. I am sure Horowitz would agree with that. The only difference between Horowitz and Bauer is which behaviors they stigmatize.

Horowitz shouldn't use Scripture he doesn't believe in to make a point against people who do believe in those Scriptures. That's not very tolerant or sensitive.

[Mister Baredog]

In what the Washington Times described as a "stormy session" last week, the Rev. Lou Sheldon, Paul Weyrich, Gary Bauer and eight other "social conservatives" read the riot act to RNC chairman Marc Racicot for meeting with the "Human Rights Campaign,"

They wouldn't talk like this to the boss, the Prez. I am aware that the "Human Rights Campaign" is a leftie organization that helped spearhead the Dr. Laura fiasco, they are "EXTREMELY INTOLERANT" of any views that aren't their own.

[jimt]

The author is an idiot.

In the second place, the very term "homosexual agenda," is an expression of intolerance as well.

Tolerance for people who are minding their own business is one thing. Tolerance for people who are attempting to force "celebration" of homosexuality is another.

Horowitz's blinders nothwithstanding, there are groups of activists who are tireless in their attempts to portray homosexuality as "good", "normal", and something to be celebrated. Anybody who doesn't share that opinion is tagged with the idiotic epithet "homophobe" and labeled a "hater". Anybody who has religious or other misgivings about how "gay" a homosexual lifestyle is is demonized.

You don't have to be a "fundie" to believe that homosexuality is not good for the people who practice it.

[Zack Nguyen]

According to the Times’ report by Ralph Hallow, the RNC chairman defended himself by saying, "You people don’t want me to meet with other folks, but I meet with anybody and everybody." To this Gary Bauer retorted, "That can’t be true because you surely would not meet with the leaders of the Ku Klux Klan."

The Human Rights Campaign is not the KKK, but Gary's statement here is correct. Racicot's lame excuse that he'll "meet with anybody" needed to be shown as the empty statement that it was. I think it was a fair thing for Gary to point out.

Either the RNC will be a tool for the pro-family agenda or it will not. It cannot play both sides of the fence.

[aardvark1]

I love David Horowitz, but I think he has confused politics with morals. What may be legal is not necessarily moral (and vice versa). A person can easily sacrifice politics (here in VT we had Jumpin' Jim Jeffords), but it's much different to sacrifice morals.

Another illustration of what RJ Rushdoony said about 10 years ago, conservative humanism is still humanism.

[The Old Hoosier]

Yet more proof that neoconservatives are not real conservatives.

[joesnuffy]

Only one problem with this...
Jesus is God...
In the beginning was The Word...and The Word was with God and The Word was God
There is nothing that was not created by Jesus
Including The Old Testament and The Word of God
There is much condemning homosexuality...the greatest example...Sodom
Which was not destroyed due to lack of neo or paleocons
The old testament is as much The Word of Jesus Christ as is the New Testament..
The old testament of Jesus Christ- God and the New Testament of Jesus Christ- God
The same yesterday today tomorrow
Jesus' word on homosexuality in the old testament is the same yesterday today tomorrow
The elders of Sodom were happy rationalizing their sodomy till the day they were destroyed..
By God -Jesus Christ

[Mr. Mojo]

......eight other "social conservatives" read the riot act to RNC chairman Marc Racicot for meeting with the "Human Rights Campaign," a group promoting legal protections for homosexuals

Earth to Horowitz, Earth to Horowitz: Homos already have legal protections, just like every other American does. What the HRC wants them to have is special protections not afforded to the rest of us.

[brownie]

I don't think any conservative has a problem with gays voting republican. What we do not want is to pander to them to get the votes. In other words, let's not abandon our principles to get some of the votes of 1% of the population.

We do not want: more hate crime laws, more discrimination laws, or laws/regulations promoting the teaching of homosexuality in schools.

If gay people are conservative, they should support conservatives based on conservative principles. If we have to buy gay support, we don't want it. I think that is the message we ought to stick to.

[hopespringseternal]

In four Gospels - including the Sermon on the Mount - Jesus neglected to mention the subject of homosexuality.

Disingenuous at best. Jesus didn't mention a lot of sins. Paul, however, does mention homosexuality specifically, several times, turning Horowitz's implication into an outright lie.

If homosexuals simply wanted toleration, there would be no homosexual movement. The same laws against murder, assault, and harrassment are equally applied to protect them the same as anyone else. Most of the thirty percent of homosexuals who vote republican know this or they would be democrats.

This is another case of less than perfect honesty from Horowitz. The homosexuals he is defending are not being attacked by Christians, they are creating a legal framework to ram their lifestyle down the throats of Christians.

If Horowitz wants to defend tolerance, he needs to be preaching to the homosexuals rather than the Christians.

[RAT Patrol]

Since when do all homosexuals think alike? When you define yourself by a behavior you "think" alike by definition.

Further, Horowitz is buying the premise that being homosexual is not being a person who behaves homosexually, but being a person with a certain inborn trait. Prove it. And if it is inborn, why is it contrary to that persons physical self -- their biology, physiology, and anatomy? Is that a mistake of nature, or did nature purposely give women a uterus, a menstral cycle, ovaries, etc...plus a desire for only female sex as some sort of cruel joke? How does buying a fake penis to satisfy another woman sexually fit into that "inborn" theory?

I would think someone as educated as Horowitz would at least admit the contrary to nature and science aspect of his theory. Would he equally defend the "civil rights" of people physically attracted to children or animals? What about the civil rights of persons who desire group sex or violent sex as long as the partner consented?

[dead]

In the second place, the very term "homosexual agenda," is an expression of intolerance as well.

Labelling that expression “intolerant” was actually fairly intolerant on your part, David.

I know my pointing that out could also be construed as intolerant, but it still needed to be said.

I hope I didn’t step on anybody’s toes by pointing that out. (BTW, in no way did I mean for my use of that expression to imply that I am anything less than completely tolerant of those who lack toes, due to accident, illness or genetic diversity.)

[keithtoo]

Tolerance is what the Gays said they wanted at first. Okay.

Acceptance is what they wanted next. Hmmmm.

Approval was their next demand. Approval? Huh?.

Applause! is what they seem to need now. How did we get here?

[DPB101]

This demand to quarantine a political enemy might have had more credibility if the target – the Campaign for Human Rights -- were busily burning crosses on social conservatives’ lawns. But they aren’t.

No, they aren't. They are doing something far worse: preaching the gay agenda to a captive audience--children in government schools, lobbying for special rights for gays, pushing hate crime laws, voting for Democrats, extorting money from taxpayers, undermining the sanctity of marriage, trying to destroy the Boy Scouts of America and attempting to drive religion out of the public square.

[tdadams]

Horowitz - a voice of reason in a sea of hysteria. I would highlight and comment all the parts that I say an "Amen" to, but then I'd simply be copying the whole thing.

Horowitz is precisely on target here, and there are a few Freepers who could stand to hear this as well.

[Salvation]

Catholic bump!

[mr.pink]

I've never understood what people find appealing about the self-enamored Horowitz.

As Robert Bryd's long past membership in the Klan still stains him in the eys of the right, why is the stain of the David's communism so invisible? Has he ever renounced the actions/mass murders of those he was so ideologically in lockstep with?