The logic of evolutionism and belief we are descendants of other kinds of creatures leads to this absurdity of delcaring chimps to be human. It will now lead to lawyers arguing in court for their human rights. I suppose they will vote Democratic party line.
1 posted on
05/20/2003 2:05:11 PM PDT by
kkindt
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To: kkindt
YOU MUST BE FREAKIN KIDDING!! Then lets include the DAMN elephant and the dolphin, and while we are at it throw in the working ant!!
To: kkindt
Then put some pants on them.
46 posted on
05/20/2003 2:44:31 PM PDT by
Conspiracy Guy
(If you're looking for a friend, get a dog.)
To: kkindt
Chimps Now to be Considered Humans I'm human! I'm human!!!! Finally!!
49 posted on
05/20/2003 2:45:34 PM PDT by
IvanT
To: kkindt
Are we to consider Chimps human from conception, or only after they have fully escaped from the iffy situation of all transcients during the final few centimeters of vaginal travel?
Has anyone cleared this theory with Hate Mickleman and her gang at NOW?
52 posted on
05/20/2003 2:47:22 PM PDT by
F.J. Mitchell
(If scofflaw chimps continue to rule this abortion thing-only chimps will have offspring.)
To: kkindt
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53 posted on
05/20/2003 2:47:55 PM PDT by
shotgun
To: kkindt
There's nothingat all new about this. Advanced primates are certainly from "our" branch of "the tree of life". This doesn't make chimps human. You need a lotta schoolin' my boy.
(I know. "What about God? BUT WHAT ABOUT GODAH!?")
55 posted on
05/20/2003 2:48:45 PM PDT by
Celantro
To: kkindt
"Chimps Now to be Considered Humans"Why did you change the title??
56 posted on
05/20/2003 2:50:03 PM PDT by
cake_crumb
(UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
To: kkindt
Chimps Now to be Considered Humans Let's just hope they don't start demanding reparations.....
58 posted on
05/20/2003 2:53:25 PM PDT by
IvanT
To: kkindt
I suppose they will vote Democratic party line. Ooof! You beat me to it!
59 posted on
05/20/2003 2:54:26 PM PDT by
Mr. Silverback
(Aw geez, I forgot to change my tagline!)
To: kkindt
The logic of evolutionism and belief we are descendants of other kinds of creatures leads to this absurdity of delcaring chimps to be human. What about declaring "humans" (men) to be chimps?
60 posted on
05/20/2003 2:54:29 PM PDT by
A. Pole
To: kkindt
Chimps Now to be Considered HumansDoes this include dimocrats'
65 posted on
05/20/2003 3:00:07 PM PDT by
hgro
To: kkindt
Here's a picture of my cousin:
He knows how to pick his hotties!
74 posted on
05/20/2003 3:06:36 PM PDT by
Tolerance Sucks Rocks
(There be no shelter here; the front line is everywhere!)
To: kkindt
PETA is going to love this until they realize that chimpanzees hunt monkeys for food.
78 posted on
05/20/2003 3:08:42 PM PDT by
Liberal Classic
(Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
To: kkindt
Chimps Belong on Human Branch of Family Tree, Study Says
John Pickrell in England
for National Geographic News
May 20, 2003
A new report argues that chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should be included in our branch of the tree of life. Chimpanzees and other apes have historically been separated from humans in classification schemes, with humans deemed the only living members of the hominid family of species.
Now, biologists at Wayne State University School of Medicine in Detroit, Michigan, provide new genetic evidence that lineages of chimps (currently Pan troglodytes) and humans (Homo sapiens) diverged so recently that chimps should be reclassed as Homo troglodytes. The move would make chimps full members of our genus Homo, along with Neandertals, and all other human-like fossil species. "We humans appear as only slightly remodeled chimpanzee-like apes," says the study.
"The loss of the [wild] chimp and gorilla seems imminent," said Morris Goodman, a study co-author. "Moving chimps into the human genus might help us to realize our very great likeness, and therefore treasure more and treat humanely our closest relative," he said.
However, experts say many scientists are likely to resist the reclassification, especially in the emotionally-charged and often disputed field of anthropology.
Knowing Me, Knowing You
The term genus describes a very closely related group of similar species, thought to have diverged from one another relatively recently, and is the first grouping above the species level. Common chimpanzees and bonobos have until now been classified into their own genus, Pan.
Historical classification schemes, based on physical similarities such as bones, argued that chimps and gorillas where each other's closest relatives, and that both where closely related to orangutans to the exclusion of humans.
However, with the advent of molecular techniques to compare similarities in our DNA starting in the 1960s, most experts have come to accept the fact that humans and chimps are most closely related. Studies indicate that humans and chimps are between 95 and 98.5 percent genetically identical.
Derek E. Wildman, Goodman, and other co-authors at Wayne State argue in their new study, published today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, that given the evidence, it's somewhat surprising that humans and chimps are still classified into different genera. Other mammalian genera often contain groups of species that diverged much earlier than chimps and humans did, said Goodman. "To be consistent, we need to revise our definition of the human branch of the tree of life," he said.
Historically Flawed
Goodman and colleagues used computer methods to analyze the amount of similarity between 97 important human and chimp genes and as many of the same gene sequences as are currently available for less-studied gorillas, orangutans, and Old World monkeys.
The results suggested that within important sequence stretches of these functionally significant genes, humans and chimps share 99.4 percent identity. (Some previous DNA work remains controversial. It concentrated on genetic sequences that are not parts of genes and are less functionally important, said Goodman.)
Using the DNA data, the researchers argue that humans and chimp lineages evolutionarily diverged from one another between five and six million years ago. Many other genera more distant to people, some squirrels for example, include groups of species that have diverged from one another far earlier?many between 7 to 11 million years ago. Species groupings should be equivalent between different groups of animals, said Goodman. "An objective yardstick is the age of origin of a branch [of animals]," he said.
"Historically, the philosophy behind how we group organisms was flawed," said Goodman. Starting with Aristotle in ancient Greece, species have been grouped according to their "degree of perfection," with man as the pinnacle. This "anthropocentric," or human-centered, view led to "exaggeration of the differences between humans and their relatives," he said, noting that his study gives "an objective view of man's place in the kingdom of life."
Confusion and Opposition
"This is an attempt to pull the classification of humans in line with other species?and is fundamentally a good idea if you want to accurately reflect the evolutionary differences between organisms," said Cristophe Soligo of the Human Origins research group at The Natural History Museum in London, England. Humans have been the "odd-one out" in terms of mammalian classification, he said.
"However, whenever there is a big change in [classification] practice, it also leads to a lot of confusion and opposition," said Soligo. "The closer you get to humans the more contentious the issues become."
Reclassifying chimps would also have "political implications," challenging our long-held view of the boundary between humans and other animals, he said. Many recent studies "are contributing to blurring the boundaries between our species", said Soligo.
"The argument is whether genetic relatedness is the only thing you should take into account," said anthropologist Bernard Wood at George Washington University in Washington, D.C. "A genus should also be a group of very similar species, that share attributes such as behavior and [mode of movement]," he said.
Fossil human-like species are currently divided into at least three genera. Grouping them all in the genus Homo could be very confusing, Wood said. Classification schemes "should be the signposts for differences between organisms," said Wood. "The problem is, if you call the chimp Homo troglodytes, you deny yourself that tool to help guide you though the tree of life."
79 posted on
05/20/2003 3:10:00 PM PDT by
Brian Allen
( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
To: kkindt
The evolutionists are nothing more than deconstructionists and scientific Marxists. Looks like they'll finally get their wish and make man just another animal.
85 posted on
05/20/2003 3:20:03 PM PDT by
Conservative til I die
(They say anti-Catholicism is the thinking man's anti-Semitism; that's an insult to thinking men)
To: kkindt
"Chimpanzees and other apes have historically been separated from humans in classification schemes, with humans deemed the only living members of the hominid family of species"
Apparently scientists haven't met my ex wife yet.
To: kkindt
A new report argues that chimpanzees are so closely related to humans that they should be included in our branch of the tree of life. I will believe it when they pay income tax, have to put up with all the B.S. laws and regulations as the rest of us, etc.
95 posted on
05/20/2003 3:42:11 PM PDT by
LibKill
(MOAB, the greatest advance in Foreign Relations since the cat-o'-nine-tails!)
To: kkindt
Now, where do they stand with respect to the French, Germans, Al-Quaida and Liberals?
97 posted on
05/20/2003 3:46:12 PM PDT by
lawdude
(Have you hugged your lawyer today?)
To: kkindt
ARE WE NOT MEN?
103 posted on
05/20/2003 4:04:52 PM PDT by
fat city
(This space for rent)
To: kkindt
It will lead to more calls for Animal rights - since each and every animal is ultimately related and came from the same organism, we are simply brothers of these "less intelligent" individuals.
107 posted on
05/20/2003 4:19:46 PM PDT by
Norse
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