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Bush Equated with Hitler in 'Matrix' Sequel?
worldnetdaily.com ^ | 5/22/03 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/22/2003 6:50:32 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!


HOLLYWOOD VS. AMERICA
Bush equated with Hitler
in 'Matrix' sequel?

Image of president shown with dictator
in discussion of evil


Posted: May 22, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs


© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Is President Bush equated with Adolf Hitler in the science-fiction flick "The Matrix Reloaded"?

The question is being asked in connection with a scene in the new movie where images of Bush and the German dictator are displayed during a discussion of evil in the world.


Adolf Hitler

"If they're saying our president is in the same league as Adolf Hitler, then I don't want to see this movie," says Mark Szorady of Rome, Ohio.

The 44-year-old cartoonist tells WorldNetDaily he has no idea if that's the intent of the filmmaker, but his curiosity has been piqued by reviews and online discussions of the blockbuster.

"The Matrix Reloaded" continues the story of mankind's struggle against machines which use artificial intelligence to enslave the human race in a dream world.


TV screens behind Keanu Reeves in 'The Matrix Reloaded' (Warner Bros.)

During the scene in question, actor Keanu Reeves – who portrays the hero "Neo" – is standing in front of a large bank of video screens as he discusses mankind's history with the designer of the computer-simulated world which is called "the Matrix."

Images of wickedness begin to rapidly flash on the monitors, including photos of nuclear warfare and notorious killers.

"When the architect of the Matrix describes the folly of man," Scott Bowles of USA Today says, "look at the screens behind Neo, which show images of a historical monster and a contemporary president."

The historical monster to whom he refers is Hitler, and the president is George W. Bush, as well as his father for a brief moment.


President Bush

"Discussion of evil in the world and flashing the picture of our president. Why?" asks Szorady. "Are they saying he's evil? ... I'd like to see this thing frame-by-frame."

The scene is also sparking chatter on the Internet about possible intended messages.

"If the Matrix films, the most philosophically challenging movies to be produced in a generation, reveal any obvious signs of the politics of its makers, then this subliminal equation (Hitler=Bush?) is it," writes the Today newspaper of the Philippines in an editorial about "Reloaded."

Messageboard threads on Yahoo and Free Republic.com include a host of reactions which span the political spectrum:

Contributors to Free Republic have even posted the images of Hitler and the Bushes from the movie in at least one discussion thread.

A spokesperson for the Warner Bros. studio told WorldNetDaily the company was reviewing the sequence in question to be "accurate" for any comment regarding the alleged Bush-Hitler connection.

Placing presidents in works of pop culture is certainly nothing new for the entertainment industry, as productions have featured both footage of elected leaders and actors portraying real-life officials.

Some have obvious comedic value, like in 1978's "The Pink Panther Strikes Again," where then-President Gerald Ford was lampooned as a stumbling buffoon more concerned with a college-football score than saving the world from a doomsday scenario.

President George H.W. Bush was cast in a less than flattering light during the Irish rock band U2's 1990 "Zoo TV" tour, as fans viewed a host of political images on giant video screens culminating with a caption telling the audience, "It's your world, you can change it."

Meantime, "The Matrix Reloaded" is already among the biggest financial smashes in movie history, grossing $134.3 million during its first four days, nearly matching the entire amount the first "Matrix" collected in its first five weeks.

It's expected to become the most successful R-rated film ever released, needing at least $234.8 million to match the current No. 1, "Beverly Hills Cop."

"I think it will easily do over $300 million," box-office analyst Robert Bucksbaum of ReelSource Inc. told the Los Angeles Daily News.


Related story:

'Matrix' makers blast charge of albino bias



Joe Kovacs is executive news editor for WorldNetDaily.com.


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1 posted on 05/22/2003 6:50:38 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Crap these people must be super observant or watching this thing several times. The only message that I came out of that scene with the Architect was that there were TWO Matrices. One that has the 'real world' with the AI's and one that Neo and crew lived in.

Guess I was just listening to the words.

2 posted on 05/22/2003 6:52:59 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Guess what movie I won't be going to see.......
3 posted on 05/22/2003 6:57:50 AM PDT by b4its2late
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To: Centurion2000
I for some reason had trouble posting this article. I was editing it and it somehow posted. I apologize to all as the format and pictures blurped in an odd glitch.

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4 posted on 05/22/2003 6:58:20 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Wasn't going to see it anyway.
5 posted on 05/22/2003 7:01:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
They did a similar thing I believe in Men in Black (is that the one?) where they talk about how extraterrestrials have infiltrated our society and display a pic of Newt on the screen. That one was funny to me and wasn't offended. This one, if true, is a different matter.
6 posted on 05/22/2003 7:01:53 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Anyone who has doubts about the producers' politics need look no further than the cast, which includes radical Prof. Cornell West as "Councillor West."
7 posted on 05/22/2003 7:03:21 AM PDT by xlib
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To: plain talk
I was going to see this flick, but if this is true, I will not. I suppose they were trying to be subtle in their Bush-hatred, because if this was known prior to release, they probably wouldn't be taking in half of what they are.
The socialist liberals are always on the march, always at war with good.
8 posted on 05/22/2003 7:05:21 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Centurion2000
My family and I are probably the ONLY American's that did not go to see this movie. I don't get the hype. No, interest to pay 8 bucks for the garbage movies nowadays and rarely I may pay 3 bucks on pay per view for the rare good movies.

I hope folks don't go waste their money to see this film 'just to see' what this article is talking about.

9 posted on 05/22/2003 7:05:49 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: over3Owithabrain
Now I may understand a strange comment Leno made last night or the other night...can't remember. It was a veiled comment about this, I think.
10 posted on 05/22/2003 7:08:39 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The Liberal-Lefties have seized upon the juxaposition of the Bush Administration and the Nazi regime, and have tried to superimpose their interpretation upon the consciousness of the rest of the world. This is a most curious development, as a study of the actions and objectives of the Hollywood crowd more nearly resemble the tactics of the German Workingman's Party (the 'National Socialists') during the 1920's, capitalizing on economic collapse and unresolved conflict to win political power. Then it was the "Jews", today it is the "Christian fundamentalists".

You notice it even on talk show call-ins, where the Bush Administration is referred to as a "regime". Nazis had a regime. Saddam Hussein had a regime. Even the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001" had a regime. But the Bush Administration discharges the duties of the office according to established legal means, under Constitutional guidance. That is not the definition of a "regime".
11 posted on 05/22/2003 7:12:11 AM PDT by alloysteel
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To: plain talk
I haven't seen it yet, but I heard from a friend that the whole sequence with Bush's photo also showed FDR and JFK and it was more of a comment on War in general not specifically singling out Bush to compare him with Hitler.

I'll still go see the movie. I'd like to see for myself in what context they showed the photos.

12 posted on 05/22/2003 7:12:50 AM PDT by Portnoy (No complaints here....as long as I'm fly fishing.)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The movie isn't great, but it isn't terrible, IMO. Yes, Bush is shown (in about a .5 second cut) while Evil is mentioned. It's pretty subtle and I think more of an "inside joke" for the producer and his friends. I don't see how it would influence the unconscious of any movie-goer.

On the other hand, the Hitler mini-series was far more blatant is saying that Hitler came to power in a War against Terrorism which allowed him to disembowel the Constitution and trample on people's civil rights. Very inaccurate -- and unquestionably aimed at George W. Bush. The Matrix was mild indeed compared to this.

13 posted on 05/22/2003 7:15:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Portnoy
I would not pay eight bucks to see for myself or otherwise.
14 posted on 05/22/2003 7:16:26 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: ClearCase_guy
I did not watch the mini-series either. Anyone I talked to said thwey weren't for various reasons, mostly because of bad press the series got, it was not a blockbuster must see.
15 posted on 05/22/2003 7:18:35 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: ClearCase_guy
Inside joke or not....they better be ready to be held responsible and take the consequences if this is true.

I heard this morning that when the Dixie Chicks sang at the Country Music Awards last night they were booed! Good!
16 posted on 05/22/2003 7:19:39 AM PDT by God luvs America
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To: ClearCase_guy
They are both bullshit and undeserving of my support. This Bush-is-Hitler crap is about the most inane, unintellectual, dishonest tripe I've ever seen. And it's everywhere, you can't debate with a liberal acquaintance for more than 1 minute without the Nazi card being pulled out. Who is it that hates Jews today, who discard the undesirable, who wants to control the world through lies and propoganda? Two groups come to mind: Islamo-fascists and the Left.
17 posted on 05/22/2003 7:20:52 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
There were some other pictures shown at the same time, who were they? I saw Bush and Hitler, but the scene went so fast I couldn't identify any other faces flashed on the television screens. They may have been wanting make a point but maybe not. I guess I'll have to wait to see it on DVD so I can freeze the frame and see who else in on the screens. I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read about it here.
18 posted on 05/22/2003 7:25:21 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
GOOD vs EVIL ?
19 posted on 05/22/2003 7:32:28 AM PDT by evad (Lying..It's what they do, it's all they do and they won't stop...EVER!!)
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To: over3Owithabrain
The Hitler mini-series and comparison to Bush and many Hollywood comments calling Bush hitler-like, has me possibly thinking there is something to this Bush picture flash in this Matrix movie.
20 posted on 05/22/2003 7:32:59 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
"If the Matrix films, the most philosophically challenging movies to be produced in a generation ...

Yeah, about as philosphically challenging as a late-night Freshman bull session about reality. In fact, we have not seen such a philosophically challenging movie event since Pinto discussed the nature of the universe with a stoned-out Professor Jennings in Animal House.

21 posted on 05/22/2003 7:33:26 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
The politics of the first movie, The Matrix, is clearly anti-white.

All the "good" people out to save humanity are mixed race or of color (Keanu is mixed race). The only exception is the "good" white girlfriend of Neo who betrays her own racial group which is the “evil” white group. [The idea of the "race traitor" is attributed to the Harvard Professor Neol Ignatiev [Harvard, where Cornel West used to teach]. You can read all about his philosophy of "abolishing the white race" by reading his Harvard Publication Race Traitor ]

All the "evil" people are white. They are represented as fascist, Nazi-like automatons who seek to hunt down and destroy decent or in this case, people of color.

That is the message of The Matrix.

The casting choices [Cornel West] of the Reload [which I haven’t seen] appears to continue on the anti-white subtext.

22 posted on 05/22/2003 7:33:46 AM PDT by twas
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To: evad
They love to knock Bush... whatever but he is a conservative and they are the pot calling the kettle black. The democrats and Hollywood progressive leftists are more Nazi than any even moderate republican.

Besides we all know the DNC is so left they have HITLERY as their leader.

Hillary In 2004.

24 posted on 05/22/2003 7:37:25 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I just read the movie book HULK, there may be a scene with an unnammed President and unnammed hard nosed female National Security Advisor (wonder who this pair could be). Seems the Pres is on the Golf Course during this time of crisis, and when a decision is needed, gives it, but reminds the General it's an election year.

I'm wondering how the movie will portray this scene.
25 posted on 05/22/2003 7:38:35 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I would like you to ping this to every person that has made prior comments about this sequence.

It's a load of crap, and a waste of time, meant only for the superobservant, and supersensitive.

And I can assure you, the vast majority of filmgoers could care less about it.

My question would be: How many people walked out of the movie during the ridiculous and unnecessary dance sequence and missed out on the good stuff?

26 posted on 05/22/2003 7:38:46 AM PDT by Houmatt (Ouija boards!)
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I suspect that this will cut a few percentage points off the box office. Can't make it a flop, but five or ten percent will cost them 50 or 100 million dollars, perhaps lead to some bad word of mouth prior to the next installment.
27 posted on 05/22/2003 7:41:54 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Houmatt
It is not the first time Bush has been compared to Hitler.The Hitler mini-series proved politics in entertainment is the leftist desparation. Look at the movie "John Q" it was a long, anti-gun commercial.

When Hollywood and democratic leftists campare Bush to Hitler, it is no doubt the pot calling the kettle black.

28 posted on 05/22/2003 7:43:42 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Houmatt
For those who must see...

IRC sites have it for download.

As well as Kazaa.

See it for FREE. Don't pad dem pockets.
29 posted on 05/22/2003 7:44:48 AM PDT by Stopislamnow
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To: Centurion2000
I guess you were better able to keep up with what was going on than I was. I didn't see the Bush images, nor did I hear anything about two matrices. All I heard was that Neo was version 6.0.
30 posted on 05/22/2003 7:45:31 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: twas
The casting choices [Cornel West] of the Reload [which I haven’t seen] appears to continue on the anti-white subtext.

I confess that when I saw the original Matrix, the whole black/white thing went right past me. I didn't notice anything. HOWEVER ... in Matrix Reloaded, you cannot possibly escape the message that you mention. The last human city (Zion) is about 95% black. Very Black. Funky, sweaty, dreadlocked black. They are the good guys (which is fine, as far as it goes). The bad guys are about 95% white. Very White. Button-down suit, emotionless, robots. The dichotomy is overwelming.

I'll also point out that there are some helpful computer programs in the movie who appear within the Matrix as humans. Let's see, the top three helpful computer programs are:
Key maker -- Asian gentlman.
Oracle -- Black woman.
Oracle's body guard -- Asian gentleman.

You could not POSSIBLY make a movie which so blatantly painted People of Color as an evil scourge and threat to humanity, with White people as the only hope of saving human civilization. NO WAY.

31 posted on 05/22/2003 7:46:59 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
I know this for sure, the marxist sentiment is palpable in this film, and that the movie bordered on ridiculous. Lots of Smoke and mirrors, tedious fight sequences....sheesh, I can't even begin to describe how dissapointed I was in this film. Perhaps the worst performance Fishburn has ever given.
32 posted on 05/22/2003 7:47:43 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: Stopislamnow
Could you give a URL, please.

BTW: I am ticked I wasted three bucks renting "John Q" a leftist anti-gun looong commercial.

33 posted on 05/22/2003 7:50:34 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: ClearCase_guy

BOYCOTT HOLLYWOOD LEFTISTS


34 posted on 05/22/2003 7:51:22 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Centurion2000
The only message that I came out of that scene with the Architect was that there were TWO Matrices. One that has the 'real world' with the AI's and one that Neo and crew lived in.

Yeah, they made it pretty obvious at the end when Neo supposedly left the Matrix, ran out of the Nebuchadnezzar, could "feel" the octopus robots, and was able to destroy them.

They were trying to hint at it, but the conclusion was obvious. Neo and crew were tricked into thinking they had left the Matrix and were back in the real world, but they had actually been moved from one Matrix two another, with the second one a parallel to the real world of Zion, war, etc.

I expect this to come out in the second movie.

36 posted on 05/22/2003 7:57:45 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: js1138
--Two simple reasons why the Republicans won and The fully "Progressive" Leftist Democrats Are the Minority.--

1) The DNC and the Clinton King and Queen were effectively told by the American people....

WERE NOT GONNA TAKE,NO! WERE NOT GONNA TAKE IT...ANYMORE

NO MORE LIES, HATRED, CORRUPTION AND EMBARRASMENT!!!

LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO PARTIES AND IT IS A NO-BRAINER AS TO WHY THE DNC LOST!

2)

THE RNC WEB PAGE

THE DNC WEB PAGE

THE DIFFERENCE IS APPARENT...THE RNC HAS CLASS AND MORALS AND AN AGENDA THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT. THE DNC ARE A BUNCH OF CHILDISH, WHINY LOSERS, THAT DO NOTHING BUT BASH OTHERS AND PROMOTE LEFTIST SOCIALIST IDEALS OF PROPAGANDA ON THEIR WEB PAGE!

AMERICA WISED UP AND BOUGHT A HUMONGOUS CONTAINER OF DRAINO AFTER CUTTING THROUGH THE DEMS PLUMB SNOW JOB WITH CHAIN SAWS. THE $HIT HAS BEEN ALL CLEARED!


37 posted on 05/22/2003 7:58:19 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Look at the movie "John Q" it was a long, anti-gun commercial.

Actually, John Q was an informercial for socialized healthcare.

Anyone with half a brain knows if a man walked into a hospital and took hostages in real life it wouldn't be long before the local SWAT team ended it.

But the film ends with a montage of people (politicians) talking about how we must have socialized medicine.

One of the people featured is Hillary Clinton.

38 posted on 05/22/2003 8:14:08 AM PDT by Houmatt (Ouija boards!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
On the other hand, the Hitler mini-series was far more blatant is saying that Hitler came to power in a War against Terrorism which allowed him to disembowel the Constitution and trample on people's civil rights.

I found the Hitler mini-series extremely boring.

Last night the History channel showed a documentary that covered the same time period on Hitler and it was much more watchable.

39 posted on 05/22/2003 8:16:17 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Liberal Classic
I probably wouldn't have even noticed it if I hadn't read about it here.

I THINK I know when the Bush pic was flashed up but I really couldn't tell who it was.

Even BEING TOLD WHEN IN THE MOVIE IT IS I suspect about 90% of people won't even be able to find the Bush, or Hitler, pic. Only when it's out on DVD and can be replayed over and over again.

I fail to see how Bush is "compared" or "equated" to Hitler, regardless.

I don't really understand the FR/Conservative cottage industry obsessed with finding things to be offended over. It's pretty clear that people ENJOY being outraged and offended, though. And now we've got an industry to serve those needs and scour the ends of the earth for things to get outraged over.

40 posted on 05/22/2003 8:18:03 AM PDT by John H K
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To: Houmatt
"John Q" was an infomercial for Hitlery like socialized health care you are right. But there was also an anti-gun scene mini mini commercial within the movie.(Gun shot victim comes into E.R.) So this is where I got confused thanks for the correction.
41 posted on 05/22/2003 8:19:52 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Thane_Banquo
with the second one a parallel to the real world of Zion

I don't think Zion is a real world. Zion is a second matrix, an Upper Matrix if you will. Here's my theory:

Thomas Anderson is an Anomaly of the Upper Matrix. The nature of his anomaly is that he can manifest himself in the Lower Mattrix, as Neo, and once there, he can wield enormous power. This anomaly has occurred 6 times, but has not yet succeeded in freeing humanity.

Agent Smith is an Anomaly of the Lower Matrix. The nature of his anomaly is that he has an overwhelming desire to leave the Lower Matrix. It is not clear if this anomaly has ever occurred before. By itself, this Lower Matrix Anomaly cannot succeed in its quest. However, the confluence of the Upper Matrix Anomaly (Neo) and the Lower Matrix Anomaly (Smith) succeed in creating a chain of events that pull Smith into the Upper Matrix. Once there, he may succeed in serving (as Gollum does in LOTR) as an element of the evil forces who unwittingly succeeds in freeing Humanity (by smashing the Upper Matrix in which Zion is manifested).

What lies beyond this Upper Matrix, in a mystery. Wheels within wheels.

42 posted on 05/22/2003 8:20:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
There were multiple images of which Hitler and Bush were two. They have said since the beginning that the AI explosion happened just after the turn of the century which would leave who as the president?
43 posted on 05/22/2003 8:23:21 AM PDT by zx2dragon (I could never again be an angel... Innocence, once lost, can never be regained.)
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To: js1138
After reading this, my son, who was planning to see the movie, has said he will not see it. We are sick of Hollywood telling us how to think.
44 posted on 05/22/2003 8:26:12 AM PDT by I still care
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Only to the dumbed down publicly educated.
45 posted on 05/22/2003 8:28:00 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: ClearCase_guy
>What lies beyond this Upper Matrix, in a mystery. Wheels within wheels.

I predict that Matrix III will end much like Logan's Run, Soylent Green and THX1138- once you break out of the dome, city limits etc... you find a pristine, abundant world that no one thought could exist.

Or maybe it will end just like the video game it is and have 20 levels with 100 more levels in the upcoming version.

46 posted on 05/22/2003 8:37:42 AM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: Centurion2000
Saw the movie and the clip in question.

Save your money I was very, very, very, disapointed. The orgy scene was especially sick.


47 posted on 05/22/2003 8:39:41 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: Stopislamnow
For those who must see...

IRC sites have it for download.

As well as Kazaa.

See it for FREE. Don't pad dem pockets.

For sure. Better to commit theft of intellectual property. Whatever happened to the rule of law? Be consistent. If you aren't going to pay to see it, then don't see it.

48 posted on 05/22/2003 8:42:13 AM PDT by modern_orthodox
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To: John H K
I have to agree. I'm a little tired of people waiting to be offended. As a Christian, I went into this looking for the self-professed Christ messages, and while these guys know some of the Bible, they don't know enough to tell their story well as a parable.

I did find it a very entertaining movie.

49 posted on 05/22/2003 8:46:32 AM PDT by LS
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!; LibertyGirl77; sakka; Conservative4Ever; T Lady; Fester Chugabrew; ...
Freeper arts ping.
50 posted on 05/22/2003 8:46:39 AM PDT by Our man in washington (If you want on or off this ping list, drop me a freepmail.)
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