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UCLA Bake Sale Stirs Up Controversy
UCLA Daily Bruin ^ | 5/22/03 | Adam Foxman

Posted on 05/22/2003 11:29:01 PM PDT by rffan34

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To: rffan34
My class at UCLA Law School was about 10% black and 10% hispanic. At one point, an assistant to the Dean of Admissions told me that of that group, only one of the blacks and two of the hispanics would have been admitted on the same standards as the other 80% of the class (non-hispanic whites and asians). From my experiences in class and on law review, the difference in the ability of the minority students to do the work was marked, in all but three or four cases. Bar passage rates told a similar story.
41 posted on 05/23/2003 5:50:37 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: Young Rhino
Wonder if there are any snacks that have red filling and yellow and black outsides?

Do they still make raspberry Zingers?

42 posted on 05/23/2003 5:56:33 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: rffan34
Nashaua Neao, a third-year political science and African American studies student

What kind of degree is "African American Studies"?

43 posted on 05/23/2003 6:07:26 AM PDT by aomagrat (IYAOYAS)
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To: rffan34
"We want to (debate) this in a formal setting where we can be diplomatic about it," said Kristie Hernandez, a third-year comparative literature student.

AKA; .....in a formal setting where we (liberals) can control it.
44 posted on 05/23/2003 6:10:54 AM PDT by Teetop (Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first.)
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To: CatoRenasci
I taught at our local law school for awhile as an adjunct in the legal writing course for 1st years.

I'm afraid that the majority of the "affirmative action" students just were not up to standard. I taught one exception who was a smart, hard-working, motivated black guy. But in the five years that I taught there, he was the only one. I had probably 6-8 black students in my small class over that time -- their writing and analytical skills were just not up to par, and the gap was noticeable. There was one student who was actually sub-literate - couldn't spell, couldn't write a simple declarative English sentence, couldn't organize a paper. And she had a massive chip on her shoulder - I was failing her because she was black and I was white, yada yada yada. But there was no way even an affirmative-action administration could excuse her absolute inability to function in a law school. She disappeared after one semester.

Why the h@ll anybody admitted her is the mystery of the ages. There was no way she could take a degree, and all the experience was likely to do was reinforce her beliefs in the evil of the Man. And make life hard for the other black students by convincing people that affirmative action admits the totally incompetent (rather than just the somewhat below par, which was my general experience.)

45 posted on 05/23/2003 6:22:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: fifteendogs
Wasn't Twinkie some skinny English model back in the sixties?

And "Ho Ho" was a top earner on 14th street.

46 posted on 05/23/2003 6:25:29 AM PDT by kaboom
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm glad I was a TA back in grad school before the University of California had so many affirmative action admits. At least I saw almost no minority students in my history 'honors' sections. As a grad student, I did see a fair number of the "old style" black faculty and senior graduate students -- the ones admitted to college before about 1967. Those men and women, who had to be as good or better than the other students, were uniformly talented and hardworking. I remember being very friendly with several of them, because we had mutual interests and exhanged ideas -- we related as fellow scholars rather than considering race.

I used to have great hopes for the race relations and a variant of affirmative action I supported (i.e. identifying talented minorities and giving them any necessary remedial or background work in the community colleges until they could come up to the university meeting normal standards -- perhaps more expensive an approach because it would have meant subsidizing people for an extra year or two, but ensuring the integrity of the university's standards).

Then, I started seeing the affirmative action admits in collge, in law school, and affirmative action hires in the legal world. I have become very disillusioned, and don't believe any sort of real racial reconciliation is possible until special treatment issues (affirmative action, reparations, etc) are dead and buried many years hence.

47 posted on 05/23/2003 6:51:18 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm glad I was a TA back in grad school before the University of California had so many affirmative action admits. At least I saw almost no minority students in my history 'honors' sections. As a grad student, I did see a fair number of the "old style" black faculty and senior graduate students -- the ones admitted to college before about 1967. Those men and women, who had to be as good or better than the other students, were uniformly talented and hardworking. I remember being very friendly with several of them, because we had mutual interests and exhanged ideas -- we related as fellow scholars rather than considering race.

I used to have great hopes for the race relations and a variant of affirmative action I supported (i.e. identifying talented minorities and giving them any necessary remedial or background work in the community colleges until they could come up to the university meeting normal standards -- perhaps more expensive an approach because it would have meant subsidizing people for an extra year or two, but ensuring the integrity of the university's standards).

Then, I started seeing the affirmative action admits in collge, in law school, and affirmative action hires in the legal world. I have become very disillusioned, and don't believe any sort of real racial reconciliation is possible until special treatment issues (affirmative action, reparations, etc) are dead and buried many years hence.

48 posted on 05/23/2003 6:51:18 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: rffan34
Nashaua Neao, a third-year political science and African American studies student, found the affirmative action bake sale "blatantly offensive and ignorant" and said the comparison of people to Oreos and Twinkies perpetuates racism.

Wait a minute. The people running the bake sale did not originate that use of these words. They are ridiculing the use by blacks and asians to refer to others of their own race. If she (or he, I can't tell from the name) doesn't like it, let's see her defend Clarence Thomas or Ward Connerly next time they are called Oreos.

49 posted on 05/23/2003 7:07:18 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: CatoRenasci
I absolutely agree with your approach of bringing talented minorities up to standard. That gives students who may have been disadvantaged in primary and secondary school a fair chance, without trashing the uniform standard for all students at the college.

I think part of what we're seeing, though, has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the Baby Boom causing colleges to be overbuilt. With the reduced demand now that the rabbit has gone through the python (the Baby Boomlet of the offspring of the Boomers just didn't produce the same kind of numbers) colleges below the first rank are out touting for customers.

My daughter is a freshman in high school who scored very well on her PSAT and the Duke Talent Search/SAT. Every week the mail brings a new glossy color brochure from some college or other, inviting her to summer school, pre-college courses for credit, etc. The colleges are on a serious campaign to rope student prospects in early. (It won't work with my girl. She prefers to spend summers rock climbing, kayaking, and hiking the AT. She just got hired as an instructor for her high school's "Discovery" program - sort of Outward Bound for Everybody culminating in a five day backpack trip.)

50 posted on 05/23/2003 7:12:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . there is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: rffan34
"It's unacceptable and ridiculous that people would almost get into a physical confrontation rather than an intellectual debate," said Jon English, a first-year political science student.

Sadly, as Jon will soon find out, this is the normal tactic (SNAFU?) of the liberals: run out of facts and ideas in about 5 minutes, resort to ad hominem attacks to put your opponent on the defensive, then, when all else fails, resort to the very violence they claim to despise and which they invariably accuse conservatives. But for him to realize this as a first year polisci student is commendable, and indicates good upbringing.

God, I wish I could have one of these bake sales at UMASS Amherst or Smith College. Of course, the potential for violence is much higher here, as seen at a recent anti abortion demonstration put on by the UMASS Republican Club (a very small group indeed). Naturally, a proabortion protester was arrested. I didn't ask, but maybe the attackee was dressed as a baby, and the protester was overcome with violence towards them because of it, given their antipathy towards infants.

51 posted on 05/23/2003 7:19:59 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: fifteendogs
Twiggy.
52 posted on 05/23/2003 7:20:08 AM PDT by TheBigB (You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in.)
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To: heleny
Neao saw the disruption of the sale as the natural effect of taking an offensive approach to a social issue. "It just proves that you shouldn't have heated debates with offensive signs. ... The minute you start doing ignorant things, something like this happens," he said.

The Libs see the disruption of the sale as the natural effect of bringing up a point? ie "You just GET TO get violent if you are offended?" Is that in the Bill of Rights, then? The RIGHT Not To Be Offended????? The RIGHT to GET VIOLENT if you are offended? What kind of horse poop is that????
53 posted on 05/23/2003 7:21:04 AM PDT by bboop
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To: aomagrat
What kind of degree is "African American Studies"?

It's a very versatile degree that allows one to become a...um...Professor of African-American Studies.

54 posted on 05/23/2003 7:21:07 AM PDT by TheBigB (You can't make someone love you. All you can do is stalk them and hope they panic and give in.)
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To: rffan34
read later
56 posted on 05/23/2003 7:31:04 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: rffan34
"I just think it's sad to know that they think of us as people who got in here just for our race," said Ana Fernandez, a third-year political science student. "We got the same grades and the same SAT scores, and they think that because I'm Latina I got an easier break," Fernandez said.

One wonders how she would know the credentials of the students she's talking about.

58 posted on 05/23/2003 7:32:16 AM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Yardstick
Most college Republicans hold all the brains and looks on the campus. Along with the ROTC.
When I went to the Rally for America, one could pick these young people out in a heartbeat.
Makes me long for the college days!
60 posted on 05/23/2003 8:16:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
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