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Hitler’s Control-The lessons of Nazi history
National Review ^ | 5-23-03 | Dave Kopel

Posted on 05/23/2003 6:02:42 AM PDT by SJackson

This week's CBS miniseries Hitler: The Rise of Evil tries to explain the conditions that enabled a manifestly evil and abnormal individual to gain total power and to commit mass murder. The CBS series looks at some of the people whose flawed decisions paved the way for Hitler's psychopathic dictatorship: Hitler's mother who refused to recognize that her child was extremely disturbed and anti-social; the judge who gave Hitler a ludicrously short prison sentence after he committed high treason at the Beer Hall Putsch; President Hindenburg and the Reichstag delegates who (except for the Social Democrats) who acceded to Hitler's dictatorial Enabling Act rather than forcing a crisis (which, no matter how bad the outcome, would have been far better than Hitler being able to claim legitimate power and lead Germany toward world war).

Acquainting a new generation of television viewers with the monstrosity of Hitler is a commendable public service by CBS, for if we are serious about “;Never again,”; then we must be serious about remembering how and why Hitler was able to accomplish what he did. Political scientist R. J. Rummel, the world's foremost scholar of the mass murders of the 20th century, estimates that the Nazis killed about 21 million people, not including war casualties. With modern technology, a modern Hitler might be able to kill even more people even more rapidly.

Indeed, right now in Zimbabwe, the Robert Mugabe tyranny is perpetrating a genocide by starvation aimed at liquidating about six million people. Mugabe is great admirer of Adolf Hitler. Mugabe's number-two man (who died last year) was Chenjerai Hunzvi, the head of Mugabe's terrorist gangs, who nicknamed himself “;Hitler.”; One of the things that Robert Mugabe, “;Hitler”; Hunzvi, and Adolf Hitler all have in common is their strong and effective programs of gun control.

Simply put, if not for gun control, Hitler would not have been able to murder 21 million people. Nor would Mugabe be able to carry out his current terror program.

Writing in The Arizona Journal of International & Comparative Law Stephen Halbrook demonstrates that German Jews and other German opponents of Hitler were not destined to be helpless and passive victims. (A magazine article by Halbrook offers a shorter version of the story, along with numerous photographs. Halbrook's Arizona article is also available as a chapter in the book Death by Gun Control, published by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.) Halbrook details how, upon assuming power, the Nazis relentlessly and ruthlessly disarmed their German opponents. The Nazis feared the Jews — many of whom were front-line veterans of World War One — so much that Jews were even disarmed of knives and old sabers.

The Nazis did not create any new firearms laws until 1938. Before then, they were able to use the Weimar Republic's gun controls to ensure that there would be no internal resistance to the Hitler regime.

In 1919, facing political and economic chaos and possible Communist revolution after Germany's defeat in the First World War, the Weimar Republic enacted the Regulation of the Council of the People's Delegates on Weapons Possession. The new law banned the civilian possession of all firearms and ammunition, and demanded their surrender “;immediately.”;

Once the political and economic situation stabilized, the Weimar Republic created a less draconian gun-control law. The law was similar to, although somewhat milder than, the gun laws currently demanded by the American gun-control lobby.

The Weimar Law on Firearms and Ammunition required a license to engage in any type of firearm business. A special license from the police was needed to either purchase or carry a firearm. The German police were granted complete discretion to deny licenses to criminals or individuals the police deemed untrustworthy. Unlimited police discretion over citizen gun acquisition is the foundation of the “;Brady II”; proposal introduced by Handgun Control, Inc., (now called the Brady Campaign) in 1994.

Under the Weimar law, no license was needed to possess a firearm in the home unless the citizen owned more than five guns of a particular type or stored more than 100 cartridges. The law's requirements were more relaxed for firearms of a “;hunting”; or “;sporting”; type. Indeed, the Weimar statute was the world's first gun law to create a formal distinction between sporting and non-sporting firearms. On the issues of home gun possession and sporting guns, the Weimar law was not as stringent as the current Massachusetts gun law, or some of modern proposals supported by American gun-control lobbyists.

Significantly, the Weimar law required the registration of most lawfully owned firearms, as do the laws of some American states. In Germany, the Weimar registration program law provided the information which the Nazis needed to disarm the Jews and others considered untrustworthy.

The Nazi disarmament campaign that began as soon as Hitler assumed power in 1933. While some genocidal governments (such as the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia) dispensed with lawmaking, the Nazi government followed the German predilection for the creation of large volumes of written rules and regulations. Yet it was not until March 1938 (the same month that Hitler annexed Austria in the Anschluss) that the Nazis created their own Weapons Law. The new law formalized what had been the policy imposed by Hitler using the Weimar Law: Jews were prohibited from any involvement in any firearm business.

On November 9, 1938, the Nazis launched the Kristallnacht, pogrom, and unarmed Jews all over Germany were attacked by government-sponsored mobs. In conjunction with Kristallnacht, the government used the administrative authority of the 1938 Weapons Law to require immediate Jewish surrender of all firearms and edged weapons, and to mandate a sentence of death or 20 years in a concentration camp for any violation.

Even after 1938, the German gun laws were not prohibitory. They simply gave the government enough information and enough discretion to ensure that victims inside Germany would not be able to fight back.

Under the Hitler regime, the Germans had created a superbly trained and very large military — the most powerful military the world had ever seen until then. Man-for-man, the Nazis had greater combat effectiveness than every other army in World War II, and were finally defeated because of the overwhelming size of the Allied armies and the immensely larger economic resources of the Allies.

Despite having an extremely powerful army, the Nazis still feared the civilian possession of firearms by hostile civilians. Events in 1943 proved that the fear was not mere paranoia. As knowledge of the death camps leaked out, determined Jews rose up in arms in Tuchin, Warsaw, Bialystok, Vilna, and elsewhere. Jews also joined partisan armies in Eastern Europe in large numbers, and amazingly, even organized escapes and revolts in the killing centers of Treblinka and Auschwitz. There are many books which recount these heroic stories of resistance. Yuri Suhl's They Fought Back (1967) is a good summary showing that hundreds of thousands of Jews did fight. The book Escape from Sobibor and the eponymous movie (1987) tell the amazing story how Russian Jewish prisoners of war organized a revolt that permanently destroyed one of the main death camps.

It took the Nazis months to destroy the Jews who rose up in the Warsaw ghetto, who at first were armed with only a few firearms that had been purchased on the black market, stolen or obtained from the Polish underground.

Halbrook contends that the history of Germany might have been changed if more of its citizens had been armed, and if the right to bear arms had been enshrined it Germany's culture and constitution. Halbrook points out that while resistance took place in many parts of occupied Europe, there was almost no resistance in Germany itself, because the Nazis had enjoyed years in which they could enforce the gun laws to ensure that no potential opponent of the regime had the means to resist.

No one can foresee with certainty which countries will succumb to genocidal dictatorship. Germany under the Weimar Republic was a democracy in a nation with a very long history of much greater tolerance for Jews than existed in France, England, or Russia, or almost anywhere else. Zimbabwe's current gun laws were created when the nation was the British colony of Rhodesia, and the authors of those laws did not know that the laws would one day be enforced by an African Hitler bent on mass extermination.

One never knows if one will need a fire extinguisher. Many people go their whole lives without needing to use a fire extinguisher, and most people never need firearms to resist genocide. But if you don't prepare to have a life-saving tool on hand during an unexpected emergency, then you and your family may not survive.

In the book Children of the Flames, Auschwitz survivor Menashe Lorinczi recounts what happened when the Soviet army liberated the camp: the Russians disarmed the SS guards. Then, two emaciated Jewish inmates, now armed with guns taken from the SS, systematically exacted their revenge on a large formation of SS men. The disarmed SS passively accepted their fate. After Lorinczi moved to Israel, he was often asked by other Israelis why the Jews had not fought back against the Germans. He replied that many Jews did fight. He then recalled the sudden change in the behavior of the Jews and the Germans at Auschwitz, once the Russian army's new “;gun control”; policy changed who had the guns there: “;And today, when I am asked that question, I tell people it doesn't matter whether you're Hungarian, Polish, Jewish, or German: If you don't have a gun, you have nothing.”;

Richard Griffiths is a doctor of psychology with research interest in gun issues. Dave Kopel is a NRO contributing editor.


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To: longtermmemmory
>It was no coincidence that homosexuals were among those who founded the Nazi Party.

It's an example,
too, of what politicians
do to extremists

once the extremists
have served their purpose helping
to achieve power...

21 posted on 05/23/2003 10:50:38 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: sharktrager
>Hitler had a belief that England would sue for peace. ...

Thanks for the update.
This has always seemed to me
the war's strangest thing.

22 posted on 05/23/2003 10:52:06 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: longtermmemmory
The extended-arm ``Sieg Heil'' salute, for example, was a ritual of the Wandervoegel (``Wandering Birds'' or ``Rovers''),

Hardly, Hitler emulated Mussolini who used the Roman salute. ( Ironic that Germany also uses the Roman Eagle on their flag yet they were in fact the barbarians, Some would say they still are.

23 posted on 05/23/2003 11:10:01 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: theFIRMbss
The strength of the Germans become their weakness !

To overcome fear and panic (( effectively use it against your enemy )) in battle ...

they use discipline // loyalty to the extreme which in the beginning and the end eternally blinds ---

dooms them !

This would be called a very fatal character flaw !

Just substitute guilt for fear -- panic ...

and you got the definition of a liberal !
24 posted on 05/23/2003 11:11:46 AM PDT by f.Christian (( apocalypsis, from Gr. apokalypsis, from apokalyptein to uncover, from apo- + kalyptein to cover))
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To: Joe Brower
ping
25 posted on 05/23/2003 11:13:48 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: SJackson
In a related development:

Miniature Dogs Chase Off Flasher

May 23

BERLIN (Reuters) - A German flasher exposing himself to a woman in a forest was forced to run for cover when she set her three small pug dogs on him, police said on Friday.

Police in the southern town of Straubing said the man, who was about 30, was naked when he surprised the 55-year-old woman with the dogs.

"He had Bermuda shorts and a T-shirt in one hand and his private parts in the other," said police spokesman Klaus Pickel.

The woman spurred the lap dogs into action, one of which bit the man on the calf before he fled through the trees.

"The dog was too small to bite him anywhere else," said Pickel. The man is still on the loose.

27 posted on 05/23/2003 11:31:53 AM PDT by tracer (/b>)
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To: SJackson
I'm sorry, but this is quite simply a horrible article. Its central premise is laughably wrong. Hitler didn't gain and keep power because of gun control.

The real key -- which Kopel ignores in his rush to confront the wrong issue -- is found in this little nugget:

the judge who gave Hitler a ludicrously short prison sentence after he committed high treason at the Beer Hall Putsch.

Kopel apparently does not consider the possibility that Hitler's short prison term (of which he served only about half) was no mistake. The judge agreed with Hitler. The German people gave agreed with him. They liked what he stood for, gave him dictatorial powers, and were willing to fight and die in large numbers on his behalf.

Gun rights are swell -- but they're pointless if the gun-owners agree with the dictator.

Kopel had better pull his head out and realize that.

28 posted on 05/23/2003 11:43:17 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Exactly, The German people bought the whole Nazi Bill of Goods and most happily turned in their Jewish neighbors, said nothing during Kristalnaacht. Millions of Germans were responsible for the Nazi's. "We were just following orders..." they all said. "We didn't know about the Holocaust...."

Barbarians once. Barbarians still- albiet very clever ones.

There is a special place in hell for these folks.
29 posted on 05/23/2003 11:48:47 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: r9etb
(from the article) the judge who gave Hitler a ludicrously short prison sentence
after he committed high treason at the Beer Hall Putsch.


Also, no mention of the Nazi legislators doing an en-masse walk-out to disrupt
the government...just like those Texas Democrats.

Bet that wasn't the picture the producer of "Hitler: Rise of Evil" wanted the
audience to get!
30 posted on 05/23/2003 11:56:24 AM PDT by VOA
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To: LS
In a book I have of Nazi laws (Ingo von Münch, Gesetze des NS-Staates,) very much present is the decree of Nov. 11, 1938 against Jews possessing weapons (Verordnung gegen den Waffenbesitz der Juden vom 11. Nov. 1938, Reichsgesetzblatt I p. 1573). If the private possession of weapons had already essentially been outlawed, this decree would have been unnecessary.
31 posted on 05/23/2003 12:07:38 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: Travis McGee
bump
32 posted on 05/23/2003 12:17:35 PM PDT by Jason_b (moo)
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To: aristeides
I'm going to have to read this book, as I said, because the Jewish pro-gun group has referred to this law many times and there is considerable controversy in historical circles if it is a genuine law or an "urban legend." I'll see what Halbrook says.
33 posted on 05/23/2003 1:19:29 PM PDT by LS
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To: Paul Ross
That is quite possibly the most disturbing picture I have ever seen. I'm not going to sleep for a week. Thanks a lot.
34 posted on 05/23/2003 1:56:08 PM PDT by YoungHickey ("Ye shall know the truth, and it shall make you mad")
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To: SJackson
Thanks for this post.

I know (well) two of the people at the heart of the JPFO project to translate the Weimar and Nazi weapons laws. They also cooperated on a book about 20th century genocides in other countries. They have emphasized to me, time and time again, that the actual danger of gun control is not at the time of enactment, when a generally reasonable government is enacting the controls for some "reasonable" purpose. No, the true danger comes later, when a tyrant acquires sufficient power to get access to the information so freely given to a trusted government and to enforce the laws (usually through emergency decrees).

The 1928 Weimar Republic registration law gave the Nazis, once they assumed power, enough information to disarm most of their actual and potential opponents. Similar laws in other countries gave the Nazis a perfect tool to quash resistance, once the Wehrmacht had defeated the defending armed forces thereby allowing the Gestapo access to the police stations.

The historical lesson is: don't EVER let registration happen, because inevitably some person or group with no morality of any kind or respect for the rule of law will come to power. He or they will use everything at his/their disposal to destroy opposition, and a list of who has which guns and where they live is the most valuable information such people could ever acquire.

I, as someone who lost many relatives in the Shoah (a.k.a. Holocaust) will not allow myself to be disarmed. Ever. Period. I know all too well what happens to Jews who have no guns. One of my wife's close relatives, whom I have had the privilege of getting to know well, survived Bergen-Belsen, and has the tatoo to prove it (though he doesn't talk about it much). He saw his father and brother killed, and lost his whole family. He has lots of guns, including at least one full-auto Uzi, and always has at least one gun with him. I'll take my lessons from him.

If I somehow lose my guns, I WILL acquire more, even if I have to hit someone over the head with a rock, brick or baseball bat (let's see them outlaw those). With regard to what to do with a single gun against a tyrannical regime, the following threads are, shall we say, interesting:

What good can a handgun do against an Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37519eb3511d.htm

What good can a handgun do against an Army? Thread II
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a38fcb918771f.htm

What good can a handgun do against an Army? Thread III
http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3b8a3ddb4869.htm
35 posted on 05/23/2003 1:57:59 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: longtermmemmory
The wandervoegle as far as I have read was NOT a homosexual
organization but was comprised of youth of both sexes and
was made up of many various groups.

Camping and treking was a favorite of German youth, quite a few of which were killed in the Kindermord on the western front WW I.

"I love to go a wandering among the trees so green........"
36 posted on 05/23/2003 1:59:24 PM PDT by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: theFIRMbss
In Mein Kampf he argued the case for Britain to be Germany's natural ally.The Nazi's were also,for an unknown reason,begging for a treaty before they bombed London,but the Brits refused.

Thins would've turned out quite differently if a treaty between the two were signed.
37 posted on 05/23/2003 2:31:38 PM PDT by armed_in_sydney
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To: VOA
>Bet that wasn't the picture the producer of "Hitler: Rise of Evil" wanted the audience to get!

Hitler -- and NAZI
power in general -- got
financial support

from lots of strange "friends."
That probably was out of bounds
for a TV film.

38 posted on 05/23/2003 2:37:29 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: SJackson
While I used to believe in the theory that an armed populace was an effective guard against tyranny, I'm rethinking that position. It appears that modern tanks and APCs, helicopter gunships, precision weapons, body armor and small unit tactics have been quite successful in overcoming any armed resistance on the ground in Iraq. I would think that a disorganized rabble with hunting rifles would be even easier to overcome than the Iraqi armed forces.

In fact, it may be that democracy is at an end. The basic premise of democracy is that by counting heads you can more or less approximate the outcome of an armed conflict. For the past couple centuries, the amount of manpower on the battle field was a rough determinant of success.

It now appears that highly skilled, very well trained, and very expensively equipped manpower determine the outcome of battle. This returns us to the situation which prevailed when the armored knight ruled the battlefield.

Therefore, I would expect democracy to decline and something more similar to feudalism to flourish.

39 posted on 05/23/2003 3:19:50 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Ancesthntr
I know all too well what happens to Jews who have no guns.

Well, in this case, friends will gladly lend you some to tide you over.

;^)

40 posted on 05/23/2003 3:42:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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