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Navarro says patrol groups 'threatening;' Spencer, Simcox deny allegation
Sierra Vista (Arizona) Herald/Review ^ | 5/25/03 | Bill Hess

Posted on 05/25/2003 8:19:25 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan

Navarro says patrol groups 'threatening;' Spencer, Simcox deny allegation

BY BILL HESS

Sierra Vista (Arizona) Herald/Review -- 5/25/03

DOUGLAS -- Armando Navarro, an outspoken critic of what he calls vigilantes and militias, said two Arizona groups and one from Texas "are threatening our people, the Mexicanos."

He identified the Arizona groups as the American Border Patrol headed by Glenn Spencer and the Citizens Border Patrol Militia organized by Chris Simcox. The Texas organization is Ranch Rescue founded by Jack Foote.

The leaders of two of those groups said Saturday that they aren't threatening Mexicans or anyone else crossing the border illegally, but they are providing information to federal law enforcement agencies so the government can take action.

On Saturday, Navarro warned that the border could erupt into violence if action is not taken to stop Spencer, Simcox and Foote.

Saying he knows people and groups in Mexico who will not hesitate to take up arms against vigilantes and militias, Navarro said the time to eliminate violence along the border is becoming shorter.

However, Navarro denied that he intended to have a confrontation with Spencer or any of the civilian patrol groups this weekend. He said he wanted to have a dialogue with Spencer. However, in a press release from the National Alliance for Human Rights, the subject was "Latino delegation travels to Arizona to confront militia activity."

"I rather would call it a cross-fertilization of information," Navarro said as he sat in the lobby of the Gadsden Hotel. "I basically want to obtain information from him (Spencer) and give him information. We need to learn form each other."

While Spencer said Saturday that he would rather not meet with Navarro, "if he called I would talk to him."

Spencer said Navarro, a political scientist at the University of California Riverside's department of ethnic studies, "is straightening up his organization under the guise of attacking us."

Spencer added that Navarro and his supporters twist the facts of what groups such as the American Border Patrol are doing, inciting people against Spencer by calling him a racist and anti-Mexican. The American Border Patrol is based in Sierra Vista.

Spencer's and Navarro's paths crossed in California, where another of Spencer's organizations -- the American Patrol -- was established.

Navarro and his supporters are now coming to Arizona to continue the battle without obtaining the real facts and without getting their hands dirty, leaving the actions to others, Spencer said.

"They want to be gladiators without going into the coliseum," he said.

Simcox said Saturday that the actual name of his group is Civil Homeland Defense, which is based in Tombstone. He said he debated Navarro in the past, and sees no problem with what Civil Homeland Defense is doing.

"We have not broken any law, and there have been no complaints," Simcox said.

He described his organization as a neighborhood watch group, which in the process of looking for illegal immigrants has "saved quite a few of their lives."

Navarro said he was in Southern Arizona in 2000 on an initial fact-finding mission. His trip that began Thursday in Phoenix is to help establish a network of groups, which he said is ineffectual in making a united stand against the anti-immigration organizations.

In the press release, Navarro said the organizations such as Spencer's, Simcox's and Foote's are armed terrorists.

During the interview in the hotel lobby, he said the United States is on the look out for international terrorists but is doing nothing about the terrorists on the United States side of the border.

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever said he has not had problems with any civilian patrol organizations. He added that the group being developed by Navarro will polarize the border even further.

"There will be some kind of violent confrontation," the county sheriff said.

Although the extremes of both sides are problems, the sheriff said the groups will not get any trouble from his department as long as they stay within the law and only do things that are legal.

If any person or organization makes a criminal action, Dever said he will act, as per his constitutional responsibilities.

Douglas Mayor Ray Borane, who is not a supporter of Spencer, Simcox or Foote, said he cannot support the actions of Navarro either. Both sides are too volatile and use inaccurate information to build up support and "their rhetoric is doing harm," he said.

The possibility the situation will get out of hand cannot be underestimated, the Douglas mayor said. "It is explosive."

Borane said the U.S. and Mexican governments' inaction is to blame for the creation of citizen patrols and their adversaries.

Felipe Aguirre, who came from California as a representative of Pro Uno, a group he described as a self-help organization for immigrants, said that what has to be stopped are the people dying in the deserts.

He and others, including Borane, call for a new guest-worker program, to allow Mexican workers into the United States legally.

"We have to find a humane way to bring in people legally, not illegally," Aguirre said.

Criminals on both sides of the border entice individuals seeking employment and a better way of life to illegally enter the United States, which is the cause of the problems, he said.

"The United States has always seen Mexico as a source of cheap labor," he said.

Navarro said there is a lack of cohesion among Hispanic leaders, especially those in Congress, when addressing the immigration problem. Recently elected U.S. Rep. Ral Grijalva, D-Ariz., whose district includes a large part of the border, has given some help, Navarro said. Unfortunately, Grijalva "is like Moses in the wilderness and no one is listening to him," Navarro said.

As for the goal of Mexicans to take back the Southwest, as Spencer says, it is the real reason for the migration, Navarro said.

"If the country (the United States) denies us, we have to consider all options," he said.

One of the options is what Spencer has been talking about -- the return of the Southwest to Mexico, Navarro said. In the next quarter of a century, demographics and other political factors will determine what happens, he said.

SENIOR REPORTER Bill Hess can be reached at 458-9440 Ext. 115 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California
KEYWORDS: armandonavarro; crime; criminalaliens; criminalinvaders; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; invasion; marxists; sedition
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To: Spiff
Thanks for the info, Spiff. Have read most of the information before but I was unaware how involved Navarro was in it. I'm going to keep my eye on him in the local area media.
41 posted on 05/25/2003 5:28:44 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas!)
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To: madfly
Bump!
42 posted on 05/25/2003 5:29:03 PM PDT by Madcelt
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To: Tancredo Fan
"Both sides are too volatile and use inaccurate information to build up support and "their rhetoric is doing harm,"

Oh, uh huh, both sides are inaccurate are they? Let's see him back that statement up. I think this scum should be forced to clean up the garbage illegals have left in their wake.

43 posted on 05/25/2003 6:08:12 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: liberalnot
2. those who do believe as he does are students, captive to chicano studies programs.>>>>>>>>>

Looks like Navarro is going to be picking a lot more *believers*, as many states have granted (or are thinking about granting) In-State Tuition @ colleges for many of these illegal students.

Oregon just passed it, and one of the "Elected Idiots" who
helped push it through said "These are our future workers, we must educate them".

Someone please clue this guy in.....
it's illegal for illegals to work in the USA.

DUH.....Taxpayers being forced to educate illegal students
so they may then WORK ILLEGALLY in the USA.

44 posted on 05/25/2003 6:35:57 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: txdoda
Taxpayers being forced to educate illegal students so they may then WORK ILLEGALLY in the USA.

Maybe these sellout politicians know something we don't, like maybe there's going to be an amnesty coming. Otherwise it really makes no sense to educate someone at our expense who can technically be deported at anytime, not that too many have to worry about that.

45 posted on 05/25/2003 7:15:57 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Salem
the same foundations that fund the radical mexican orgs, fund journalism.

they're giving $55,000 sabbaticals for these people to do the same socialist projects. see my post:

12 Journalists Get Michigan Fellowships
the new york times ^ | 05.25.03


Posted on 05/25/2003 10:49 AM PDT by liberalnot
46 posted on 05/25/2003 7:22:29 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: txdoda
but not every mexican student majors in chicano studies.

it's similar to majoring in feminist studies. what do you do with it when you graduate? a few will go on to get a ph.d. and teach, but the vast majority will have a collision with reality. they'll need a job and chicano or feminist studies doesn't prepare one for employment.

most mexicans are more intelligent than navarro. they know that if they want a good job, that a major in business or science will get them that job.
47 posted on 05/25/2003 7:25:57 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: Tancredo Fan
I love Mexico, but if the Southwest were ever to be given back to Mexico, it would go to worse shit than now, and all those Mexicans would then be trying to get into the US, but further up North. If these immigrants wanted things to be like in Mexico, they would have never come up here to begin with.
48 posted on 05/25/2003 7:57:07 PM PDT by PARodrig
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Maybe these sellout politicians know something we don't, like maybe there's going to be an amnesty coming.>>>>>>>

You might be right..I found the article & it was Washington
(not Oregon, they're still trying to pass it)and it was
Rep. Don Cox-R.......

"Nobody gains by leaving entire groups of future workers
uneducated".

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/908072/posts


Bush tried to extend 245(1) 6 months after 9-11 but it didn't make it.
I think he's just waiting for the *right time* to go for
ANOTHER amnesty.
49 posted on 05/25/2003 8:07:41 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: txdoda
Oregon just passed it, and one of the "Elected Idiots" who helped push it through said "These are our future workers, we must educate them".

I wonder if this is what the Roman politicians thought when they let the barbarians settle inside their country. Result: "The Dark Ages".

50 posted on 05/25/2003 8:11:54 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: txdoda
Oregon just passed it, and one of the "Elected Idiots" who helped push it through said "These are our future workers, we must educate them".

I wonder if this is what the Roman politicians thought when they let the barbarians settle inside their country. Result: "The Dark Ages".

51 posted on 05/25/2003 8:13:00 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: liberalnot
most mexicans are more intelligent than navarro. they know that if they want a good job, that a major in business or science will get them that job. >>>>>>>>

Seems if mexicans were so intelligent, they might learn the
english language, if they plan to work & live in the USA.

But, this sure isn't happening. Instead our gov't is FORCING
ALL tax payers to foot the bills from bi-lingual teachers to
bi-lingual paperwork, & translators.

btw...... some of the protesters in the aboue pic's look a little old to be *students* to me.
52 posted on 05/25/2003 8:29:24 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: Missouri
I wonder if this is what the Roman politicians thought when they let the barbarians settle inside their country. Result: "The Dark Ages".>>>>>>>>

Looks like most of our politicians are not well versed in
US laws or Roman history ......:o)

Most have also forgotten the OATH they took to uphold the US
laws and to protect her CITIZENS.

btw....this just passed in Washington (not oregon) I posted
the link in # 49, and the quote by Rep. Don Cox-R
53 posted on 05/25/2003 8:45:02 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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To: txdoda
how would you attend an american university and complete 4 years of work without understanding english?


defacto bilingual education does not work. students do not learn to speak both languages.

older people are professional hangers-on. some people don't grow up.

as i've said, and i'm not the first to notice this in southern california, very few mexican students are interested in navarro.


54 posted on 05/25/2003 8:48:17 PM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear the most is democracy .)
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To: Tancredo Fan
Whatever. In a gun fight the Mexicans wouldn't stand a chance. Those crossing the border ilegally are usually poor and uneducated. What kind of arms and capabilities would they present? None. Dead issue.
55 posted on 05/25/2003 8:59:50 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (Forget the spy planes - AC-130!)
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To: txdoda
I posted the link in # 49, and the quote by Rep. Don Cox-R

Rep. Don Cox-REPUBLICAN. Guys like Cox is the reason I'll never say I'm a republican.

It is amazing that our politicians will not enforce the law on this illegal immigration crime wave that is going on.

56 posted on 05/25/2003 9:02:17 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Tancredo Fan
Saying he knows people and groups in Mexico who will not hesitate to take up arms against vigilantes and militias, Navarro said the time to eliminate violence along the border is becoming shorter.

** * * * * ****

Didn't NAFTA give them jobs? Start training civilian border patrol agents.
57 posted on 05/25/2003 9:20:55 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: txdoda
This thread seems to have become infested with shills, of sorts (and I don't mean you).
58 posted on 05/25/2003 9:29:37 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: liberalnot
very few mexican students are interested in navarro.

What is your position on the 1994 the California ballot proposition, aka Prop. 187, that would have eliminated all of this back-and-forth baloney? If Davis and the Mexicans hadn't killed that thing, California would not be suffering the disaster that is enduring today. BTW, California isn't going to survive this one.... not without federal help, and the current federal regime is on the other side. Any ideas?

59 posted on 05/25/2003 9:45:10 PM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: liberalnot
how would you attend an american university and complete 4 years of work without understanding english?>>>>>>>

I know mex. college students speak english......but the majority of hispanics must NOT,
or Citizens wouldn't be Forced through taxes to translate
everthing into spanish.

defacto bilingual education does not work. students do not learn to speak both languages>>>>>>>>>>

GOOD then take it out us all US schools.

older people are professional hangers-on. some people don't grow up. >>>>>>>>>>>

GOOD, let them protest the REAL problem....The corrupt Mex.
Gov't.


as i've said, and i'm not the first to notice this in southern california, very few mexican students are interested in navarro>>>>>>>

Yes, Mario Obledo has his many backers also, and I just read where some mexican businessman in CA (with backers) is
creating a *new* political party....."The BROWN Party".
60 posted on 05/25/2003 9:49:21 PM PDT by txdoda ("Navy-brat")
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